sadly we wont be getting CW :(
or am i wrong?
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sadly we wont be getting CW :(
or am i wrong?
any proper pic of the interior
Here: http://www.seriouswheels.com/2007/20...r-1280x960.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Perry
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...r-1280x960.jpg
i might learn to like the interior
only three colours at the moment. standard is red....:confused: silver and black cost extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by blu3illusion84
out of the three i would want black...
if anyone is going to the motorshow, ask if white will be available :thumbsup:
I hate the built in cd player... cant cahnge any THING !!! grrr... pretty cool though .. might fall in love but not yet roflQuote:
Originally Posted by Perry
the interior is pretty nice, reminds me a little of the s2k dash with the AC controls where they are (tho i think its stereo controls on the s2)
I love it, could be my next investment hehe.
yea interior is nice. shame no recaro or momo. but atleast it looks worth the 40k you going to spend on it.
btw so the GPS will be available and tuned for australia ?
I dault we will get the GPS :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
DC5R got almost no interior, had momo and recaros for 50k. This CTR has an interior, aircond and other comfort stuff and has to sell for 42-45k. How can they include momo and recaros at that price?Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
the way they've made it, you can't really mod the head unit and it appears that the exhaust might pose problems also
I think not having recaro seats and other brand name parts is a blessing. This way the insurance will be cheaper and you have less idiots wanting to break into your car.
http://www.civictyper.com.au/
Not sure if it was posted in the past 8 pages, but just came across this on http://honda.com.au/
Shame no yellow... have it on my GSXR600 bike, love it, would have been an awesome colour not requiring anywhere as much washing as my current black Euro. still, I want one --- black will have to do :)
EDIT: Ok, link has been posted several times before! I guess I'll have to drop by the motor show now, also want to have a look at the FCX. :)
I am totally in love with the styling of it, but am unsure about engine specs, e.g. for that price the MPS3 and XR5 seems to offer a lot more go. I hope Honda will do some sort of a track day trial like Mazda did for the MPS3. (Also if they were to magically drop the VSA like they have with the other Civics then I will not in any way be looking at this.)
i wasn't complaining was i ? think i said it looks worth the money or didn't you read that bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
comes with "type R" embroidered bucket seats.. haha
I can't believe it... My very old 1990 CRX SiR has 1.6L Vtec with 120KW.... surly Honda could get 190KW from a 2.0L in 2007 ??????
I certainly don't believe that it can do the 0-100 in 6.2 sec.... no way.. not at 1250Kg's or so....
Come'on honda get you act together and get on top of the HP pile again... like honda was back in 1990...
Maybe we will have to wait for the new CRX before honda release a decent engine again...
Regs Mark...
PS: Still love my (OLD) CRX's.... :D
Well it looks pretty bloody good in black.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...spx?model=1567
It may not have the power of the MPS3 but looks like an awesome package all up. I wonder what insurance will peg it at.
EDIT:
Another good review
http://cars.uk.msn.com/Reviews/artic...mentid=2704690
They're quoting the driver experience over performance as the main attraction.
They can do it if you are willing to pay around 60k for the CTR. Are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
Where did you get that from... you would think in 15 years of technology they would be able to get at least 190KW froma 2.0L engine... with out having to pay 60k for it....
Look at the MPS3... yeah a turbo... but still... honda would be lucky to sell any of them in OZ....
People want performance AND looks... not just LOOKS and no go... :(
remember we got so many emission restriction on cars these days. to get 190kw or close from a 2L stock ummmm im thinking impossibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
Tell me how much was your 1990 CRX when brand new back then? Then factor in inflation and tell me how much it costs now. Then include the value of luxury items that are not in your CRX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
If Honda decided to put a turbo into their Type R, then they would get 190kW easy too.
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Originally Posted by Mark B
the k20 is a decent engine. they just need to put it in a lighter car
From what the reviews say, seems honda doesnt want to and need to increase the power output...unless its a JDM model
There is a limit to how many hp/litre that you can get out of an NA engine if you want to meet emission requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by industrie
Where did 6.2 sec come from? I believe the claimed figure is 6.6 in a body of 1301kg. There is nothing wrong with the power figures, I think the weight is the problem. And Honda is not alone - even the Golf GTI is 1340kg and don't ask about the Astra Turbo as it weighs even more than the Euro. The trouble is people expect everything these days standard in all cars - a quiet cabin, VSA, air-con, airbags everywhere and reinforced doors for impact protection etc. Weight of vehicles has increased dramatically compared to even just 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
which is where i believe honda has gone down the wrong path a little, Type R's should still be without all this crap. all these softc**ks wanting a performance car that feels like a luxury car insideQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
but ppl standards go up and what used to be a option , now they see it as a requirement. honda needs to put those gadgets in to meet / surpass ppl's standards to keep the competition happening.
dont think ppl would be very keen on buying a type R with say 180kw of power but no technology.
oh just find this video duno if any of you seen it.
looks pretty hot i say. the drop is sexy, and they only using 1 pipe for the exhuast i think.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2qsudw82JDc
and this promotion piece
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xPRS-b6bYDE
You answered yourself. the MPS3 is a turbo. So why are you comparing the kW it produces against the Civic R. Mazda could never out-engineer Honda on a even basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
But at the end of the day its a stupid argument. The MPS and the Civic type R are V4 hatchbacks that cost above $40,000. Youd have to be a fool to buy one.
What is a V4?Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
I think he means 4 cylinder engines, similar to V8, V12. etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
omg--how exciting!!!! Would have loved to been the first person to post about this when the boyfriend heard the announcement on Friday!! but oh well...
another dissapointment....will probably have to wait for a second hand one before I can afford it! haha
CTRs are I4. They are not in a V-configuration. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NightRyder
Ahh..my bad...:)
All this bitching about what the CTR should or should not have is all a waste of time...we should be happy that Honda is bringing them in..
Although performance wise it might be questionable to some, still I think it is pretty good...
At the end of the day we all should be glad that it's coming down under and only way to really judge and make your own opinions, is to take it for a test drive.
Just relax yo!.... :cool: :D
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Originally Posted by aaronng
I reckon I'm happy. We were pretty shocked that Honda said "no" to anymore sports cars and here they are showing that the Type R is still alive. Price-wise, it's similar to the GTI while probably giving better handling and comfort. I'm happy. Too bad I already have my Euro.
my favourite part modifying the new CTR will be fun
Now see!...there's one happy chap. :p
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Perry dude, you seem to modify anything/everything that comes your way...gosh I hope you don't modify your 'other half' as well!..hehe..j/k.. :D
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Originally Posted by Perry
hahaahha all good dude:thumbsup: thats what all the fun is about, well if i get my hands on 1 il lkeep it stock for like 1yr or soQuote:
Originally Posted by NightRyder
Look at the S2000... 2L motor with 180KW....
they just don't want to do it... coz it might cost an extra 500$...
anyhow... hey perry... you must work with Adrian... tell him "Butt Launcher" says hi... :)
they dont want to do it because they have different classes
it would be stupid for manufacturers to make every car have the same power.
one is FWD and one is RWD... big difference...
$500 won't get you 180kW... It might get you 150kW... or maybe 152kWQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
I mean it would prob cost honda another 500$..... if they are making 100,000 engins or so... i'm not talking 500$ of after market mods... that would maybe get you 5Kw if your lucky.... you get my drift ??
saw it in the flesh... its hot pplz!! type R brakes, noice ass interior, and the exhaust isnt triangular, the exhaust tips sits inside the triangles.. just incase ne1 gave a damn.. :)
I am talking about production costs. The cost to balance, port and polish will cost more than $500 per engine. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark B
When they start using lightweight internals, the cost will be even higher.
its a natural journey for cars to go down this path mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt
think about it, you expect your car to have power windows, abs brakes, power steering, Aircon, even airbags, these are all options we expect in a car these days...
you could remove all of these features and you would have a lighter faster car ... but would you want to remove it all for a daily driver? and do you think Honda would sell any cars without it? even as an option... the price tag would jump 10 grand!!
new options in cars are always being introduced, and it would be silly of honda to ignore it. ppl's expectations are always growing, and now we want curtain airbags etc etc
not exactly like they are a bunch of soft cocks complaining ..
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Originally Posted by preludacris
could not agree more... :p
:thumbdwn: no... don't like the look of the rear..
Why dont they sell it as a "Type S" or something!? To me a "Honda Type R" is a stripped out, basic, handbuilt, Road registered race car!
Some people want a harsh, noisy, unforgiving car! (Hello Lotus Elise)
Type R's have been getting softer and softer over the years, think of the reputation of DC2R and EK9! They had journalists and racers in a lather over their rawness and performance straight off the showroom floor! then came the "softer & luxurious" DC5R and EP3 and their more comfortable and forgiving nature (but I still want an EP3). It looks like the Type R name/legacy is going downhill from there!
Dont get me wrong, im sure this will be a brilliant little car and I like that Honda are having a go at it, but it should be a Type S not R, it just doesn't have the family jewels to be a Type R!
That's how it is. Even the Elise now has airconditioning, a CD player and even carpets!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicey
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Originally Posted by Spicey
Type R legacy going down hill:confused: It's faster then both DC2R and EK9. 6.6 0-100 for NA 2L full of softcock luxuries is pretty damn good:wave:
wonder if they'll add aircon, and cd player to the ariel atom :cool:
I can see why honda has gone this route now, something that could be a daily driver aswell as a race car
No because the Atom is built by 2 guys in their garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Encor3
well, the atom was a stolen project by a university professor, but we won't go there...
So i'm wondering, who will be making aftermarket parts for this 2007 CTR...I doubt Japanese tuners give a damn about this Civic hatch since they won't sell it at all over there. We will need to buy parts from UK now for the 07CTR?!
its already out and being tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tofu
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2qsudw82JDc
but i want Spoooonnn and mooooggggenn ... not big ben and 2bob brands. or wtv european stuff .. lolz
errr.... EUDM y0!
to keep the beancounters happy they have to make the type R a mass produced and afforable car that appeals to many ppl not just hard core vtec fans.
and to keep the forumist happy they are talking about a hard core type RR as a possibilty in the future.
exactly what i was refering toQuote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
it's a Japanese cult/iconic sports car...what's with the european aftermarket parts??
You'll find it hard to impress your BMW friends if you started to put Japanese parts on your BMW right?
its only going to come in silver / black / red!
will find out today if LSD is an option...i doubt it!
cant believe white is not an option!
Ill check with our sales guys if they have any info on them!
I reckon white is the best colour for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8...typer1luq5.jpg
The civic type r is sure a nice car, looks hot and much more sportier than most of the hatches from other manufactors like mps, golf etc.. it will definatelty turns head and get much more regonition than than our previous sport coupe integra typeS, i own a types so i dont mind saying it. Maybe civic type r will get as much hype as wrx and 200sx from now and will increase honda sales and more opportunities for us to get more options. Still dont like the digital speedometer though....:confused:
Man I hate this ridiculous car but those wheels are heat. Surely they wont be the stock ones will they????Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
They need to make closer to the 1 tonne mark, the excess weight is negating the brilliance of the K20.
I want to see a return of the old-school Type R's.
old school type R's wont be back for a while as market changes, ppl want more for what they pay for and ppl are not going to pay for a type R that doesnt have all those nice luxury things...Quote:
Originally Posted by RyDC5S
No, it's not the rims that will come with the car. BTW, I think I spotted your car. Your plates start with AN?Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
Thats the whole point of Honda introducing the Type S line of vehicles, sports with a touch of luxury.Quote:
Originally Posted by industrie
No my plates are much newer than that. I havent been driving my Civic recently. Im driving a tiptronic 307, man this car is loud above 4000rpm. Its like an plane taking off. The Peugeot VTEC is ****ed up, there is no difference in power but a worlds difference in noice.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Nah, it doesn't have the equivalent to VTEC. It has the equivalent to Toyota's VVT-i. No variable lift in Peugeot's engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
is the 07 type r still using the old 2001 k20 engine from the ep3? They better be putting direct injection in it to make it even quicker
Direct injection doesn't make it quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by curik
Aaah I miss VTEC once youve tried VTEC its hard to drive anything else. The Civic VTEC isnt that strong but the whole package is a great car to drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Wait til you feel a B series' VTEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
Is it just me or the rear end in that photo give it a peugot hatch look?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
They are similar shapes. But that's it. The look of the rear FROM the rear is different. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
Huh? Every hatch in existance except maybe the Megane has the exact same basic rear shape but that Megane might be a sedan?? Dont know dont care about renaults. I dunno what your talking about there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
Also which Hondas come with a B series VTEC engine???
Civic VTiR, Integra VTiR, Integra Type R (DC2R), CRX Del Sol and JDM versions of the older CRX.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC