Lets see how this thing sells in OZ. It has sold very well in the UK - there were 500 orders before official release in the UK
http://www.carpages.co.uk/honda/hond...c-10-02-07.asp
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_n...ders_in_UK.php
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Lets see how this thing sells in OZ. It has sold very well in the UK - there were 500 orders before official release in the UK
http://www.carpages.co.uk/honda/hond...c-10-02-07.asp
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_n...ders_in_UK.php
I will be test driving it on Monday the 25th. Will give my full thoughts and review then.
So does anyone have prices on the accessories available yet?
Adding better standard equipment on a vehicle facelift is normal. If you're going to charge the same price for a model thats been around a while, then you'd have to include some free options/new features, otherwise people will just go for newer models.
i really dont think its being screwed! that sound so harsh, its good that manafactures are listening to customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tofu
Getting screwed is when u buy a subaru Tribecca and in the first year they realise its the worst looking front ever and they change the whole front after its only been out a year!
and ur going on about 1" in alloys!
It happens with every brand dude, that is life! hardly call it getting screwed!
i have beeb playing with the CTR all day, i love this car so much, plates go on next week and drivin we go!
I'LL be interested in your opinion.The suspension ride has come into some criticism here(Current MOTOR Mag.) and overseas saying it is way too hard.Judging from reviews I'm sure the handling and roadholding will be very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
if u buy a new car, inevitably it will be superceded.. sometimes its 2 yrs after u buy it, others its 6 months... it happens.... i bought my civiclast july n before year end the updated one came out with a couple of minor additions..doesnt make me enjoy my car any less
have anyone test drive on in sydney yet? i havent seen any in sydney showroom...
I have always thought that concept was funny when motor magazines complain that the suspension is to hard (not that the suspension is bad - that is another story). It is built as a sports car and not as a family car and as such expect it to be hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by fasthonda
then i guess for those people who buy it then won't need to worry about changing their suspension if they want to do some light track work.
yeah its funny reviews, at the end of the day its just an opinion! we all have ours! i like the car in red, u dont u like it in silver ect.
Motor give some rubbish reviews and some good ones.
Id take the stigs review over motors!
We should have plates on ours this week, official release and advertising starts july then 2nd i believe.
Ill post up my thoughts after i take it for a spin.
the thing with hondas (which some ppl love n some ppl hate) is they have no torque down low.. peak torque in the type r is at 5500rpm ffs. for those that r going to fang it its ok but for an everyday car it wont seem that fast.... again thats always been a honda thing and it means the engines love to rev... waiting for ur view on it tho UNLS1... like all new civics, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, hope u enjoy it
The RRP of $39990 has been confirmed by Honda Australia.
http://www.zcars.com.au/civic-type-r...alian-pricing/
Check out the pic of the CTR fully loaded with options!!! :D
The front and rear skirts look great...but shame on them for charging extra for the Type R emblem set!!!
Officially launched !
I wonder how popular it is going to be ?
How long to wait to get it after placing order ?
Any one got any insurace quotes on CTR yet ?
I tried Just Cars
their response was
"Civic Type Wat??"
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by lukits01
so, how we are gonna to insure CTR then ?
hey its not even out the road yet. Anyone got dc5 r ? how much do you insure it for? i think its around the same
I agree - that is cheap of them!Quote:
Originally Posted by SiR
R U KIDDING ME???!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SiR
easy money lol, how many ppl will option it on.... is it additional badging? id imagine theyd have some sort of type r identification standard
The side body door trim extra !?!
Yep, the badges should've been on the car, not offered as an option:(
If I bought a VW GTI, that would have the GTI badges on the car standard,what is so special about the Type R badges?
The "Type R" badge at the rear is standard...
But the badge on the grille next to the Red "H" and what appears to be just stickers on the side rear-quarter panels are part of the emblem set.
Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
pretty sure the emblem kit is the Grill Type-R Badge and 2*side Type-R Decals
In the UK ppl are getting these for free if you bargain a little
hmm...we don't get the 19" Rage wheel option.
It may be a great drive, but until I drive it or go in one, I cannot see how a car that weighs 258kg's more than a DC2R is progress... I'm really disappointed. Every corner and every time you brake, you need to make up for that weight. The JDM EP3 in 2001 had 158kw and LSD, while weighing 150kg less. How can they go backwards in 6 years? Am I being to narrow minded?
had a geez today at one in the flesh.
we had customers in all day checking it out.
only thing i dont like is the petrol filler door. it's like cheap plastic that looks like it's been painted with $2 supercheap auto chrome paint
(click for full size)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5...g029mi3.th.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5...g028sw5.th.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6...g032gd1.th.jpg
sorry they are only phone quality and i didnt have time to get any more pics
just reading through the specs on the honda website,
it uses fly-by-wire throttle so presumably K-pro wont work, like on Euro?
well not for the mean time anyway.
Does the european model have HID ? was looking at those clips on the honda site and the silver type R looks like it has HID washers under the lights
Yep, HID's are available but unfortunately, not for Australia...
get aftermarket HID's, this car will be the new cult...looks pretty good in the flesh...the only thing that matters is the car is fully optioned as standard i believe? you can just get the upgrades in terms of kits and accessories...
damn, i want the pedals for my FD2
Damn we get shafted again ....well i suppose it keeps the price down it could be worst $41990 with HID hahahha
Have you driven the CTR yet? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by xenfacta
The DC5R had peak torque at 6000rpm while the DC5R had it at 7000rpm. So the CTR's 5500rpm would be an improvement. Anyway, peak torque numbers don't tell the whole story. :)
na not yet lol, but its the impression i get from the review....ill keep u posted wen i take it for a fang :P
the reason we didnt get HIDs is coz they didnt meet ADR's
thats from honda aus.
new ctr seems alright, however the design was alittle dissapointment for me. personally i reckon it looks too much like a demented bubble. haha
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
i agree with mpdo76 chuck :thumbsup:
not quite enough power and torque to move something that weighs that much. get it under 1100 kgs and then it would make more sense. but then it would be quick enough to charge a lot more. but then no one would want to pay that much for a civc / integra etc so.. hmm tuff one for honda. at LEAST give us a real type R for once.
Oh right, thanks for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
What a shame though - the ADR's are absolutely pathetic.
I went to the launch of the new Merc C-class and a lot of the new technologies they have did not meet ADR's, namely, the intelligent light system and the flashing brake lights under heavy braking.
Both were great safety technologies, yet couldn't meet the ADR - pathetic!! :thumbdwn:
I don't think I trust the 1345kg weight figure. Hopefully an owner signs up on Ozhonda and weighs his car on a weigh bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by qstoria
It's been done :p proudly in the YOUUUUKAYYYQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
"The car had a completely full tank of petrol except for the 18 miles I drove to work, it also had a baby seat and pram in it.
The weighbridge is accurate to 20kg at 1 ton intervals all the way to 50 tonnes.
And the car weighed 1320kg, so take a drop of petrol out, the baby seat and the pram and id say a GT weighs 1300kg's. "
good god, that is heavy.
i dont get it, the civic sport is a bigger car, with leather n all the other goodies and a k20 and it 'only' weighs 1260 kg...
wow... looks like the our very first CTR (from honda aus) is getting ready for all our R-ers... geee i am kinda excited too even i am overseas. defintely like to see how it went in the oz market.
well i think definitely apperciate Tofus headup for telling us abt the version upgrade and facelifts matter... however i think there will be a little for the top of the range like.. i bought my DC5 .. ok i mean DC5R in 04 and theres no difference with the first batch.. i dont think evos and stis are any different,nor gti, but correct me if i am wrong.
so i think the whole layout of the CTR wont change much.. well i hope. hahaha
have fun with the CTR guys.. (be eager for any after reviews post on here thou)
Was the guy in the car as well? Kerb weight means all fluid and a full tank of fuel but no driver in it. If his car weighed at 1320kg with the baby seat and pram, the car is still lighter than the stated 1345kg.Quote:
Originally Posted by lukits01
If you look at the interior, the european civic has more features on the dash than the Asian one. They have all sorts of weird stuff on theirs, the feature for our Civic is pretty basic.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenfacta
^ hmm, now that you say so....i think you might be onto something there..
i think the 1345kg is for the UK Civic TypeR GT spec...
the CTR we're getting, is it the GT or non GT?
on the topic of future changes... this is an inevitability;
according to http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...vic_typer.html
"Honda has confirmed the lessons it learns from the Type R-R will be employed on future versions of the hot Civic."
Let's hope that one of those lessons yields in clever weight reduction.
Oh look what was in the link:Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
So the standard CTR weighs less than 1345kg!Quote:
However, it’s not until you open the door that you realise how the engineers have managed to pare the standard car's 1267kg back to a shade under 1100kg.
why they talk up the weight then, it's not like they can benefit anything from it??
Power-to-weight ratio for insurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
There have been other examples of cars that were design with arse=front look that worked out alot better than the R.
http://www.autozine.org/gallery/alfa/Brera_fr.jpg
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/reso...Alfa_Brera.jpg
and TT namely.............
My point........CTR still CT-UGLY aSSsss.
Feel sorry for the first guy to bring one to a circuit club track day. Every tom dick and nguyen will be bench marking against it..........hahhahaha.
Just to put things into perspective, this was taken from Evo Magazine
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...weightsyo6.jpg
Has anyone been quoted prices for the accessories yet?? I was quoted some today and the prices are unbelievable eg $695 for the door trims, $895 for front skirt...
I remember reading a post about a special edition model to be released in the future but now I can't find it. Can anyone help me out?
just remember thats just YOUR OPINION!Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
and YOURS only..... u can have it.....
but sales in the UK and the ones starting here may prove u wrong a bit
That's normal. The rear lip for the Euro costs $900.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wazza
Unless the person who posted that up works at Honda UK/Japan, I wouldn't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wazza
kit pricing sounds about right... i think they told me around 2grand for the modula kit from the factory... n that would sell in higher numbers thant he comparitively rare type r accessories
Hey guys
Does anyone know if any dealership in sydney has these on display yet? i rang rickdamelian and peter warren and they arent getting it till the end of the month.
yup it will come at the end of the month my delaer said around 25th to 28thQuote:
Originally Posted by abzndintegra
wow, we have ours on the showroom and have a registered demo!
maybe because the first shipment arrived in melbourne and need some time to get to sydney?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Such a sexy car, would love to buy one if i have the money available :(
One thing bother me is the weight, with 1343kg is too much for a Type R. The Type S if i remembered is only 1280 if with 154kw and hardly make the 6.6 in 0-100 and 14.8 in 400m o_O This civic type R should be really a Civic Type S since Aus Honda chosen to import it to fit our market over the jap Type R. It just replaces the Integra typeS, our civic type r have even have more luxury goodies than the typeS such as dual aircon, steering wheel audio remote control, cruise control. Is it really nessary to have them for a truly Type R? If Aus honda really wanted to go down this path, they should just have only Civic sedan Vti, Hybrid, Civic Hatch Luxury model? and the JDM type R in our civic line. Atm we have Civic Vti, Vti-L, Sport, Hybrid now Civiv Type R, I wonder how well the Civic Sport going to do with the sales.
After all, the integra type s is gone and the civic type r is a better overall package compared to the type S, i just wish i have the money to buy one now even if it is call the civic type S.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sitta
ahhhh yes, but i thought they went darwin, qld, syd then melb then tass on the boat.
hmmmm
Quote:
Originally Posted by vupham
the civic sport will still sell very well. Why? coz its auto i have had 6 people ask me if the CTR comes in auto already! The sport is still a different market. Its still good value for money with the sunroof and leather ect and only in the mid 30k bracket. Just like the fucus luxury and mazda 3 SP23 will still sell well.
its a type R, not a type S, its the UK type R! Honda will never go back to raw designs of the DC2R, as people these days prefer comfort and handling and all the little luxuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by vupham
thats so true!
the thing that makes me laugh is all these people wanting the 'true' type R, even though there is no market for it now and times have changed...
also how many of the people who say all this actually bought it new when it came out???
or how many are actually in the market for a new CTR???
or how many bought a new car in the last 2 years...???
Alot of us have i know but the ones with the 6 year old hondas and the ones that have no intention on buying a new car in the near future that whinge all the time about honda new car make me laugh.
Well buddy you are laughing at me. I want a freakin' true Type R and I'm prepared to pay for it.
The market has changed, but there are plenty of die-hard DC2R owners such as myself, who WOULD buy a new Type R if it were a cracking drive. Instead we are left to look to Evo's, elise's, mx5's etc's if we want to try and `raise the bar' while keeping a pure driving experience. But none have a glorious NA honda engine and gearbox.
I'm thinking about getting an EP3 import, it's more a Type R spirit over this one, but the problem is that it's no newer than my DC2R for the same money.
If the 4 door CTR came out here I would buy it.
Please Honda, make me a car that I'd want to buy and I'll gladly pay you for it. But don't try and sell me some half baked Type R and tell me that that is what I want...who told you that? the same marketing people that tell you there is no longer a market for enthusiasts who are fans of the purity and execution of even 6 year old DC2Rs?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Well, if it was a choice between the Japanese car, and the UK car, I'll vote with my wallet for the former. Is the Japanese demographic so different to the Australian that our market is deemed not feasible for Honda Aus to sell the version the Japanese actually consider worthy of the Type R badge in their local market? If that is the case, then that is a sad indictment on the Australian buying public, if we had the opportunity to pursue a technically better product but settle for gloss and spin then I'd say that there are a lot of ppl that are blissfully happy being ignorant of what Honda are truly capable of in building magnificent driver's cars that punch well above their weight.
"Type R" SHOULD be a no brainer for any self respecting enthusiast (much like when Porsche deems something worthy enough of wearing the "RS" badge..you know it is going to be one where the engineers have won most of the product design arguments), but given the cynicism towards this new car, it saddens me that the use of Type R brand is not applied with the sort of discipline that Porsche applies to its ultimate models. When we start bastardising the brand, you lose the share of mind that people like me hold about the maker and this can only be a bad thing. More so, when Honda is spending $$$ in motorsport to create a sporting and exciting brand. I can tell you, when I think of the "power of my dreams", this UK CTR doesn't even register.
By the way, I have the means to purchase any new car Honda currently offers, but just not the desire.
Signed,
one of those whingers.
Slipangle, Porsche is almost purely a marque of sports performance cars, of which Honda is definately not, so I find it difficult to grasp that you try and compare a 'Type R' to an 'RS' .
Has everyone also forgotten that the 'mighty' JDM CTR is able to generate its far 'superior' power due to 100 RON fuel being readily available in Japan. Last time I checked, 100 RON fuel was fairly hard to come by in Australia (although I will apologise if it is now available in mainland Aus as I know it isn't available in Tasmania). Thus, surely if the JDM CTR was imported to Australia then it would have to be 'de-tuned' anyway to cope with our fuel. If that was the case it then should be re-badged a Type S shouldn't it???
The JDM CTR also has options such as Sat Nav, Climate Control and Bluetooth phone capabilities just to name a few, now to a true Honda purist these are definately not befitting of a 'Type R'????
The JDM CTR is also a four door sedan, all other CTR's have been 2 door hatches have they not?? Now to a true Honda purist this is surely not acceptable...
Some of us are just tired of the teenage keyboard racers that in reality cannot afford any brand new CTR regardless of origin, but choose to constantly undermine the UK CTR in favour of a four door sedan with a massive wing that Australia will never see. UNLS1 is right, the market has changed, the majority of people that can actually afford a CTR want more than a stripped out race car. So why would Honda release a stripped out race car that will not sell as new, but will be a highly sought after used car when it becomes affordable for the 20-30 year old male age bracket?
Has Australia ever been delivered a 'true Type R'?? DC2R? DC5R? not true JDM spec. Stop complaining and ust enjoy what we have......
i agree, there are only a handful of you guys who want the raw type R, but honda australia doesnt see that as viable business option to satisfy putting in the costs to bring it over here, if you look back at the DC2R, DC5R, prelude and type S yes they did sell but they didnt sell enough to justify keeping it, as the market segment has a broader spectrum and they know that market change, you need to keep up with the demands...
We all know that hondas racing background gave Honda the slap in the head to at least bring something over that can meet the 'large consumer market of australia' and the UK type R was what they considered to match the Golf, Focus etc...so whoever buys this UK built type R tell us how it is and show us some pictures of it!
Wazza, you are missing the point we are making. In our view, a Type R should not have "Sat Nav, Climate Control and Bluetooth phone capabilities". A Type R should be focused on driving, on purity. A Type S should have those luxury features.
A Type R in the 90's equated to an Porsche RS because they are both types of cars focussed on driver feedback, involvement and purity. The EVO reader Top Ten had both the DC2R and NSX Type R alongside the Porsche GT3. Sure the Honda's are slower, but they are as focussed.
Regarding RON, that is not a real reason, the fact is Honda Japan don't want us to have those cars for whatever reason. The 2006 DC5 Type S had a 154 kw, 6kw more than this CTR???
It's not about 2 or 4 doors, it's about purity and focus. Honda set amazing benchmarks in the first CTR, the DC2R and NSXR. We all looked forward to the next versions, and we did not get what we were expecting with this AUDM CTR.
Let me reiterate, most DC2R owners I know do not want to buy new a CTR. We have to go elsewhere.
A car that is heavier, has no advancement in power, no LSD and is full of luxury options - this is not a stripped out race model which is the Type R heritage.
That was in the 90's. Everyone was doing stripped-down fast cars. It is now 2007 and everyone wants power, handling, comforts, CD stackers and bluetooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Because the Type S makes peak torque at 7000rpm. I don't think you want an engine with no low rpm torque. JDM Type Rs make more torque at a similar RPM. So they have different ECU mapping, probably for their 100 RON fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
There is also a type R PLUS available in overseas markets.Lighter weight,better handling.Not sure on extra power though.
If any one here has a chance to look in the trpe R workshop manual supplement it is mentioned VERY breifly.
They probably planned to build something like that but decided not to. I don't see a Type R Plus for sale on the Honda UK site.Quote:
Originally Posted by spanks
So slipangle and I don't count in the everyone category? We don't WANT comforts, CD stackers and bluetooth! And that is exactly why this is a TYPE S, it should not ride on the coat-tails of TYPE R. I've busted my kidneys for over 7 years on shocking Sydney roads for`Type R' cred and now you guys get to do it in comfort? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
If I wanted an engine with low rpm torque I wouldn't be driving an NA 4 cylinder... Forget about the RON 100, the new CTR has a better torque curve than the K20, but are we not right to expect more than 148kw since we first saw 147kw in 2001? Especially with more weight? Shouldn't performance be a reasonable question for a car marketed as a sports car, carrying an established brand (Type R)?
Unfortunately, you are the minority. And in business, majority wins because that's where the profits are (if the company doesn't survive, there won't be anymore Type R, Type S, Type A, Type B or Type C. Unlike Toyota, Honda doesn't have large volume sales to cover the cost of developing a Type R if it doesn't sell enough numbers. It's just like Canon and Nikon. Canon can put out wonderful top end cameras at $11,000 a pop and not sell many because they have the revenue from printers, scanners and fax machines to cover it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Like i said in my previous post,i would buy the new CTR with either the badge typeR or typeS if i have the money because its a nice car with the right package. Now when i said if i have the money i mean $45k spare lying around, im happy what we have been offered with the CTR by Honda Australia because thats all we really can get. I bought the 05 TypeS before because thats all i have been offered by Honda Aus and I was fully happy with it, but if i have been offered the TypeS and the TypeR from JP, i would choose the TypeR. I could buy the 02-04 Type R but no because i wanted a new car and 05 had a facelift.
Sad but true is that Honda AU cant get the Jap CTR for some reasons, I mean the JDM CTR is already made for production after all the $$$ is spent to develope it, whats so hard Honda JP to export them to our market, im really curious about that. So if Aus can get both the UK CTR and the JP CTR, i will put my money on the JP CTR. Anyways, the Integra TypeS didnt do to well with the sales even it has a complete package, power, comfort and appearance.
What engine does the civic have? it has 148kw right? sounds close to a k20a2? it has a red rocker cover right? vtec 'engagement' is lower right? something like 5k?
Anyways, i'll definately be watching with interest with how sales go. What was the main opinions of the other models? dc2r - too harshe for every day? dc5r - not a real type r? dc5s - not a type r and market going away from coupes?
so where does the new civic fit in? probably not too harshe, is labled type r, is it a real type r? dunno, i guess it'll all come down to how fast it is and how well it handles... evo mag did a review and comparison of it (against focus st, megane r26, golf gti, etc) and they were disappointed i think. (correct me if i'm wrong, i don't have a copy of the article)
Still think it looks great inside, not so sure about outside.