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03-09-2007, 11:17 PM
EuroAccord13

Yes please take some photos of the clearance between the AC lines, ABS module and the pulley.. It will help give me an idea of how much to grind... :)
13-09-2007, 09:31 AM
Cranial

I've just installed the J's Racing damper (and a host of other stuff), and although I can feel the car is vibrating slightly more, I can also now hear the engine louder in the cabin. Is that normal?
13-09-2007, 11:58 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cranial

I've just installed the J's Racing damper (and a host of other stuff), and although I can feel the car is vibrating slightly more, I can also now hear the engine louder in the cabin. Is that normal?

Yup, that's normal.
11-10-2007, 10:03 PM
EUR003act

does anyone have a link to a trader or seller of the Ingalls ETD?
12-10-2007, 11:12 AM
aaronng

Excelerate at tsx.acurazine.com forums, or http://www.excelerateperformance.com
14-10-2007, 10:51 PM
EUR003act

thanks aaronng...

did anyone find out whether it is compatible with UR pulleys?

ive just brought the pulleys (should get this week) and i dont want to order the ETD if it wont fit (obviously!!!)...

thanks
15-10-2007, 12:55 AM
aaronng

You have to grind down the bracket(s). Read this to see the potential issue (read every page starting from this one): http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/show...&page=16&pp=25
16-10-2007, 08:28 AM
EUR003act

thanks for that aaronng, i knew you'd be the one replying :D

i purchased one off the guy today that had been returned because of some of those issues, im not too worried thro, i can make it fit, im not affraid of alittle bit of modding.... plus i got it for AUD$126 landed at my doorstep! :D

thanks again
16-10-2007, 08:49 AM
Suntzu

Im not hearing of any tangible benefits of the ETD as yet. Can anyone post any definitive medium term results ?
16-10-2007, 09:03 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

Im not hearing of any tangible benefits of the ETD as yet. Can anyone post any definitive medium term results ?

Me too. I'd be interested to know.:)
16-10-2007, 09:07 AM
Pumped

Ive had mine in for a while now,
I guess the main benefit is less wheel hop if your trying to launch your car, that being said it doesnt completely eliminate hop just makes it less occurent.

also, it might just be in my head but theres a slight improvement of engine pick up when your foots put down, feels more direct.

There is increased Cabin vibration though, and low speed 1st gear driving can create rather harsh vibration in the cabin.
16-10-2007, 09:47 AM
Cranial

I agree with the above. Since having it on, I do notice that wheel hop is less - but since I don't drive my car that hard, the added noise and vibration is making me think twice about whether or not to uninstall the ETD - since I enjoy a nice quiet cabin!
16-10-2007, 10:26 AM
mugen88

The benifits are less noticable wheel hop and vibration can be reduced or elimated by adjusting the ETD to a softer setting.

The pick up feel is more direct when the ETD is set to a stiffer setting, just play around with it to find your best compromise.
16-10-2007, 10:43 AM
EuroAccord13

For the ETD, I had to grind a fair bit off both brackets to fit the unit... I should have some photos of them... I'll post them up when I find it...
16-10-2007, 12:20 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

Im not hearing of any tangible benefits of the ETD as yet. Can anyone post any definitive medium term results ?

Don't even need to wait medium term.

Pros - No more wheelhop. You only get wheelspin now.
Cons - Cabin vibration at idle and A/C on.
16-10-2007, 12:26 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumped

There is increased Cabin vibration though, and low speed 1st gear driving can create rather harsh vibration in the cabin.

Is yours the Ingalls or Feels? I don't get the 1st gear low speed vibration. I have my damper set to 13mm.
16-10-2007, 01:23 PM
Pumped

Ive got the Ingalls ETD, i'll try adjusting it, might be set to harsh
16-10-2007, 02:42 PM
Suntzu

I dont get "wheel hop" my launches are very smooth. Must be my skill+suspension tune+tyres.
16-10-2007, 02:56 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

I dont get "wheel hop" my launches are very smooth. Must be my skill+suspension tune+tyres.

Probably the tyres, or maybe you are slipping the clutch more than us.
16-10-2007, 10:58 PM
EUR003act

im only buying it for the bling :p
19-10-2007, 08:15 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUR003act

im only buying it for the bling :p

Next thing to do would be to respray your rocker and intake manifold covers. :thumbsup:
19-10-2007, 09:56 PM
EuroAccord13

And put diamonds on your rims to make it more bling bling too...

I found the photos of the modifications I did to the Ingalls brackets.. I'll post it up soon!
19-10-2007, 10:15 PM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Next thing to do would be to respray your rocker and intake manifold covers. :thumbsup:

lol way ahead of you there - ordered the DC5R red rocker cover and spark plug cover last week :)

once everything is installed ill have to post pics too :p
19-10-2007, 10:23 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUR003act

lol way ahead of you there - ordered the DC5R red rocker cover and spark plug cover last week :)

once everything is installed ill have to post pics too :p

Haha, you're much richer than me then. My EDFC costed much less than even just your rocker cover.
19-10-2007, 10:24 PM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Haha, you're much richer than me then. My EDFC costed much less than even just your rocker cover.

lol ill be eating baked beans on toast for the next 3months ill tell you that much lol :(

quick question - to change the valve/rocker cover, i dont need to drain the oil or anything? just straight un bolt and swap over?

cheers
20-10-2007, 12:30 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUR003act

lol ill be eating baked beans on toast for the next 3months ill tell you that much lol :(

quick question - to change the valve/rocker cover, i dont need to drain the oil or anything? just straight un bolt and swap over?

cheers

You don't need to drain the oil. But make sure that the gasket is still fine and get some RTV blue gasket sealant just in case you need it. You realise you have to remove the ignition coil packs too? Not sure if you have to remove the spark plugs. I'll check.

Edit: You don't need to remove the spark plugs, just the coil packs. Here are the instructions just in case:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/779/rockercoverub3.jpg
20-10-2007, 12:37 PM
EuroAccord13

These are the modifications I made before I sprayed the brackets black to clear the pulley, ABS module, aircon lines and bonnet issues...

There are still issues with the bonnet lining but I cannot afford to grind anymore down...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../IMG_1448w.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../IMG_1445w.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../IMG_1444w.jpg

The cut for the bracket that sits on the sussy tower is angled as well to clear the AC lines...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../IMG_1447w.jpg
20-10-2007, 12:44 PM
Chris_F

all of a sudden, the FEELS etd seems like a no brainer :P
20-10-2007, 09:46 PM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

You don't need to drain the oil. But make sure that the gasket is still fine and get some RTV blue gasket sealant just in case you need it. You realise you have to remove the ignition coil packs too? Not sure if you have to remove the spark plugs. I'll check.

Edit: You don't need to remove the spark plugs, just the coil packs. Here are the instructions just in case:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/779/rockercoverub3.jpg

which ones are the coil packs? im guessing theyre the 4 black smooth things attatched to the cover?

how will i know if i need the blue RTV gasket sealant?

thanks again
20-10-2007, 10:34 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUR003act

which ones are the coil packs? im guessing theyre the 4 black smooth things attatched to the cover?

how will i know if i need the blue RTV gasket sealant?

thanks again

Yup, it's the 4 black things under the spark plug cover.

And yeah, you should get the gasket sealant. Seems that you need to use it on certain points of the head. Here are the installation instructions: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5...installcd5.jpg (291kB)
21-10-2007, 04:50 PM
EUR003act

thanks aaronng, ill let you know how it goes later in the week :D
21-10-2007, 07:30 PM
aaronng

No problem. Now back on topic. :)
01-11-2007, 08:50 PM
EUR003act

ingalls etd installed!

im guessing its normal to have alot more "engine noise" in the cabin now? i dont know how to explain it, kind of like i slight whine... im guessing its just the noise travelling through the chassis now?

looks sweet!
01-11-2007, 09:10 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUR003act

ingalls etd installed!

im guessing its normal to have alot more "engine noise" in the cabin now? i dont know how to explain it, kind of like i slight whine... im guessing its just the noise travelling through the chassis now?

looks sweet!

Yup, I got a whine that is very obvious in 1st gear as well. I guess your chassis now acts as an amplifier for engine noise.
01-11-2007, 09:12 PM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Yup, I got a whine that is very obvious in 1st gear as well. I guess your chassis now acts as an amplifier for engine noise.

haha we think alike... just wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one...
19-06-2008, 10:40 PM
E-Gene

Thought that I will revive this thread seeing that I just bought the ETD from Pumped and just took the car for a drive.

Pros:
You definitely feel an improvement in the response of the throttle. I do feel like the car is quicker of the mark and less sluggish. And it looks good!

Cons:
It's not so much the noise in the cabin that bugs me but the vibrations. You feel everywhere, from the steering wheel to the dash and to the seats. There's also a knocking sound from the engine bay that I think is coming from the ETD knocking the a/c pipes. There's too little of a clearance from the ETD and the a/c pipes.

Verdict?
Don't know if I'll keep it on the car, or should I say, don't know if the wife will let me keep it on the car if it's going to be that noticable in the cabin, but will give the damper a tweak and see if it gets better.
20-06-2008, 02:01 AM
WIL70S

this is really noob, but what does a torque damper do?
20-06-2008, 07:24 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Gene

Cons:
It's not so much the noise in the cabin that bugs me but the vibrations. You feel everywhere, from the steering wheel to the dash and to the seats. There's also a knocking sound from the engine bay that I think is coming from the ETD knocking the a/c pipes. There's too little of a clearance from the ETD and the a/c pipes.

The ETD is a compromised version of solid engine mounts. Once you ride in a car with solid engine mounts, you will realise how comfortable the ETD is. Yes, I have the vibrations too.
20-06-2008, 08:07 AM
Crapdaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Gene

Thought that I will revive this thread seeing that I just bought the ETD from Pumped and just took the car for a drive.

Pros:
You definitely feel an improvement in the response of the throttle. I do feel like the car is quicker of the mark and less sluggish. And it looks good!

Cons:
It's not so much the noise in the cabin that bugs me but the vibrations. You feel everywhere, from the steering wheel to the dash and to the seats. There's also a knocking sound from the engine bay that I think is coming from the ETD knocking the a/c pipes. There's too little of a clearance from the ETD and the a/c pipes.

Verdict?
Don't know if I'll keep it on the car, or should I say, don't know if the wife will let me keep it on the car if it's going to be that noticable in the cabin, but will give the damper a tweak and see if it gets better.

how did you have knocking on the the AC lines?
the only problem on mine is that the brakelines were in the way of the chassis/etd bracket side bolt so i added rubber hoses on the brakeline to reduce stress.

damn i duno why but i don't feel too much of an increase in vibration, it is noticeable though compared to stock.
20-06-2008, 10:20 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapdaz

how did you have knocking on the the AC lines?
the only problem on mine is that the brakelines were in the way of the chassis/etd bracket side bolt so i added rubber hoses on the brakeline to reduce stress.

damn i duno why but i don't feel too much of an increase in vibration, it is noticeable though compared to stock.

There is a lot of variation in the A/C lines and brake lines as they are bent and assembled by hand. Take 2 Euros and it is very likely that the AC and brake lines are routed with slight differences. I have seen one Euro that could not fit on the Cusco strut bar no matter how we moved the A/C line. We had to grind down the Cusco's mount.
20-06-2008, 10:35 AM
Crapdaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

There is a lot of variation in the A/C lines and brake lines as they are bent and assembled by hand. Take 2 Euros and it is very likely that the AC and brake lines are routed with slight differences. I have seen one Euro that could not fit on the Cusco strut bar no matter how we moved the A/C line. We had to grind down the Cusco's mount.

i am on the verge of ginding my cusco a tad.

its slightly touching AC lines a bit, readjusted the best i could by loosening the two brackets so there is a slight gap. But my brakelines were slightly more annoying.
20-06-2008, 10:57 AM
Pumped

It is possible to adjust the installation of the ETD to reduce vibrations, i found at some stages vibration was quite bad and start up caused a shake through the car, adjusted slightly and it reduced it dramatically

Also found good clearance with the A/C lines etc in my euro :( they must all be slightly different as mentioned by aaron
20-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Crapdaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumped

It is possible to adjust the installation of the ETD to reduce vibrations, i found at some stages vibration was quite bad and start up caused a shake through the car, adjusted slightly and it reduced it dramatically

Also found good clearance with the A/C lines etc in my euro :( they must all be slightly different as mentioned by aaron

what setting are you running on yours?

i am running stock which it came in, the length is 14mm softest. the maximum setting is 10mm.
20-06-2008, 12:58 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumped

It is possible to adjust the installation of the ETD to reduce vibrations, i found at some stages vibration was quite bad and start up caused a shake through the car, adjusted slightly and it reduced it dramatically

Also found good clearance with the A/C lines etc in my euro :( they must all be slightly different as mentioned by aaron

I actually had to grind down 1.5cm worth of metal off the Ingalls bracket to clear my A/C lines!
20-06-2008, 01:12 PM
Crapdaz

bummer, i had to grind the side of the bracket cause it wouldnt have cleared the UR pulleys.
otherside on the chassis wasnt too bad only had to take precaution of the brakelines.

but yeh i'll see how it goes.
damn the ETD restricts you from removing the chassis to engine mount gounding wire cause its so phat.
unless you remove it or you have a slim socket extension.

btw aaron are you running the etd at the stiffest setting or softest?
20-06-2008, 05:51 PM
E-Gene

Did some re-adjustments to ETD and made it a little softer and now the knocking sounds are gone. Unfortunately it isn't as responsive as before cos it's softer. It's really a trial and error exercise to get it right.

Definitely thinking about grinding the plate a little to clear the a/c lines, damn, taking it out is going to be a pain.
20-06-2008, 09:13 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapdaz

bummer, i had to grind the side of the bracket cause it wouldnt have cleared the UR pulleys.
otherside on the chassis wasnt too bad only had to take precaution of the brakelines.

but yeh i'll see how it goes.
damn the ETD restricts you from removing the chassis to engine mount gounding wire cause its so phat.
unless you remove it or you have a slim socket extension.

btw aaron are you running the etd at the stiffest setting or softest?

I left that grounding wire intact because it was good. You can always take the damper off and then take the engine mount bracket off to get at the ground wire.

I'm using 13mm.
28-10-2010, 06:58 PM
sodaz

I'm thinking of fitting one of these to my car and I've got UR pulleys installed. What damper & brackets do I need to get to ensure it fits?
28-10-2010, 10:04 PM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodaz

I'm thinking of fitting one of these to my car and I've got UR pulleys installed. What damper & brackets do I need to get to ensure it fits?

lol crazy revive here :)

I ran the Ingalls ETD in my car (i think?) along with UR pulleys, youll face the same issue whether or not your running stock pulleys, AC compressor and lines rub against the bracket, solution = cut bracket back a bit
29-10-2010, 06:37 AM
aaronng

Yeah, time to break out the dremel. Just got a 2nd ingalls ETD kit just to replace the damper! About the same price compared to buying the damper unit on its own.
29-10-2010, 10:00 PM
sodaz

Dang that doesn't sound like an easy install at all. It'll take a fair bit of trial and error to get it right then.
30-10-2010, 08:31 AM
racerwannabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodaz

Dang that doesn't sound like an easy install at all. It'll take a fair bit of trial and error to get it right then.

Yeah it is but if you know this before hand then it's not so pita. I didnt until i realised there was some rubbing with the AC lines. Take your time and dont rush it.
31-10-2010, 09:07 AM
EUR003act

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerwannabe

Yeah it is but if you know this before hand then it's not so pita. I didnt until i realised there was some rubbing with the AC lines. Take your time and dont rush it.

Well said!

I have permanent chaffing on my AC lines because i didnt realise :(

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