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Originally Posted by aaronng
LOL... Maybe 350G though that a Accord Euro in Australia = JDM Euro R..LOL
Add a 'type-r' badge besides the Honda logo just cost you $100...LOL
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Originally Posted by aaronng
LOL... Maybe 350G though that a Accord Euro in Australia = JDM Euro R..LOL
Add a 'type-r' badge besides the Honda logo just cost you $100...LOL
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Originally Posted by WhoKnowz
Totally agree. Its up to personal preference. But do not forget MPS is a turbo whereas type-r is a NA. And for what i have observed in recent years, Mazda's racing car is like a POS in terms of quality. EG: handling.
Yup, I agree with what you said too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GupZ
Mazda Performance Series (MPS) are sort of doing what the Subaru had done in the late 90's and started to build up a very good reputations on their 3's and 6's. More and more people going for the Mazda sports car these days as they've got good handling (not as good as the EVO, Slab me), nice interior (MPS 6 and RX-8 where MPS3 is just OKAY), Power (MPS 3 & 6 are both awesome) and much more.
Where as the new Honda's, I personally don't friggin know what they are doing. eg. the new Accord which looks damn ugly (I should say not looking that good, I apologise if i have offended anyone here, just a personal opinion) compare to the Euro Accord. The new Civic just look like one of those Hyundai Elantra. No surprise with their new generations. Unlike back in 1991/1992 when the civic first released. Everyone was dying for this car. As well as the Integra and Prelude back at that time. NOW.......Sigh!!!!
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Originally Posted by GupZ
Hang on a minute, the DC2R is the only type r that was designed as a raw vehicle for the circuit/street.....this is evident in the weight reduction, re-enforced chassis, double wishbone suspension and lack of sound deadening. So what the front ends are different, there will always be a split decision on what front end looks best and there's only like 8kw difference between a stock JDM and AUSDM.
The DC2R is a highly praised car and is it is well known for being a genuine street car that can be taken to the track to see its full potential.
I think he means we didn't get the JDM rear suspension setup or the sexier JDM nosecone. We did however, get our motor detuned from JDM spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by jords
Our DC2R really was the closest we got to a JDM ITR though, our DC5R was a nice beast, but really was just S spec, not R.
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Originally Posted by WhoKnowz
I have been looking for a "Sports" hatch of late, I have test driven most "Hot" hatches.
From my point of view, I can honestly tell you the R32 was the best overall but just cost too much. MPS 3 was nuts, but I found for a 40k car it felt cheap. It had too much road noise, not very refined.
To my point, I just drove the CTR and I have to say whilst it is under powered it really feels like a complete package, very well refined. The only thing it lacks is about 10 - 20 KW I think, for most people i think it is adequate. Its well built, the finish is great and it is not as bad as the reports are making it.
Think your right, my mate took his FN2 to the track last Friday and ran a 14.1and he recons that wasn't even his best, that was his first try as a warmup. So this article in Wheels may be heavily underestimating the civic's power, needless to say that 'Wheels' is a well respected magazine, this time I think they may have underated the civic just a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
Yah Wheels has been known to get some inconsistent times, not just in this test. They’re fairly objective though. Besides, it’s not the end of the world when the FN2R ran 0-100 in 7.8 in some magazine. Maybe its relative lack of torque could have something to do with it...being a fairly small motor? Could have been the car, low km a range of things. Besides, who buys are car purely on its 0-100 or 1/4 mile time?
For the Civic to win the review against the GTi must have been a rap to the Civic, and they must have liked it quite alot.
Well said, apart from the speed of the car I personally loved the new shape, the comfortable seats and the spacious backseats accompanied by all the new technology which is easy to use. Even when TopGear reviewed it late last year when it was released in Europe the guy struggled to find a fault with it and absolutely fell in love with it as most other people including myself have. I'm not trying to wave a flag saying "the civic is the best car in world" because of course that would be ludicrous but it is a quality car and well finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaso
Speed isnt important. The one thing I will praise about FN2 is the variety it brings to Hondas range.
Before this came out the Honda range was as predictable and homogenous as a pakistani election result.
The Civic and the Accord Euro look basically the same and serve same function, most people not into cars cant differentiate between them.
The Accord and Legend look 90% the same from the front.
The CRV and Oddyssey is basically your shopping trolleys with an engine and seats.
Jazz is small car.
s2000 is a disgrace. which other manufacturer would still be selling a 1999 model brand new at dealerships
At least the FN2 has some uniqueness and some pretension of being a sports car.Its a breath of fresh air comapred to Hondas usual tactics
Got a video or at least a slip? I can't see how a vehicle with a power to weight ratio over 9kg per kw can get anywhere close to 14.1. The vehicle would need to be massively under quoted for that to happen. Are you sure your friend didn't say 15.1? Because that is more believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
By the way the lighter and more powerful JDM 2007 CTR got 14.4 over the quarter by Best Motoring. So the FN2 is way behind that.
Gone are the days where people spend odd 40k for a Hard tunes car. Too much competition to do that. End of the day the FN2 has succomb to the reality of overall sales and with it comes compromise. Now it is a more luxurious sports car which has a broader appeal than fanatics. Money talks BS walks:)
I call BS on a 14.1 from a stock FN2 until proven otherwise. How can a car that is 165kg heavier than a DC5R, with slightly shorter gearing and marginally more torque be faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
Imagine if they did bring out the FD2,of the usual competitors,you would need a Subaru WRX or a 3MPS or a VRX to beat it over the 1/4 mile.However, apart from the WRX, the JDM FD2 would have the measure of the others around a track.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
It can't be. I call shenanigans until I've seen a time slip. I had a play with one tonight on the way home and it's slower than a wet Wednesday compared to the DC5R.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
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Originally Posted by Chris_typer
I think your mate is having a lend of you... 15.1 maybe, 14.1- mmkay.
0 - 350m, 14.1 sec
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Originally Posted by Chris_typer
14.1 s on a stock FN2, What a JOKE!!!
Even a bloody turbo car can't do a low 14s consistently. If he really did a 14.1 on a stock FN2, I WILL SWALLOW and EAT the whole car. Please think before you say some BS like this. He could have done a 14.1 QUARTER METERS TIME not MILES
EK4 does 14.7. So 14.1 is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronny
Based on factory figures... the EK4 has a better P:W than the FN2 or whatever the code is.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
1050:118 vs 1345:148
IIRC, ZCO's car had a dd designed intake on it, we were getting very healthy gains with these intakes during testing.
Well seeing as Honda was able to run a 6.6 0-100km, it actually is possible to run a 14.1 quarter mile. I'm not trying to talk my car up because at the end of the day the point of the thread was to try to figure out how Honda and Wheels got two completely different results and I was simply putting forward results in which one of my mates got on Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronny
A brief description of how the times was obtained may get the doubters off ya back (for a little while). There are alot of reasons why the FN2 can or cannot get those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
As for the quoted times from manufacturers, I understand that they sometime do it in a car with a Jap driver who would not weigh more than 60 kgs and 10lts of fuel and hundreds of runs are done to achieve the stated times.
Given that it may be possible to achieve the times on a perfect run. However give the car a chance to get around and prove its worth in the eyes of the so called true "Type R" believers:)
Can anyone name one other stock car in the world that has a power to weight ratio of 9.15kg per kw or worse and has magazine tested times of 14.1 sec for the quarter.
Gear ratios and an efficient drivetrain only take you so far. The only way this can happen is if Honda has underquoted the power figure.
Easiest way to end the debate is to go out to WSID and pull a 14.1 in your car, post up a timeslip and everyone will be quiet; there'll be humble pie for alot of people here, myself included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
Yes, well when I get the time I will be heading over to track and giving it a run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Buyers remorse. Give him a break. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Here is some results from the UK. Got a 6.8 0-100 and ran a 15.3 1/4mile
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...tracktimes.jpg
The Renault had a 0-60 of 6.2 and a 14.9 1/4. Proof that the CTR will never run a 14.1 1/4 in stock trim. The Renault had the most torque and power of the bunch. Kerb weights on all cars are very close.
Yeah I actually think my mate is FOS..but then again it just goes to show that the 'Wheels' stats weren't that accurate.
could it be that honda estimated it with the times down a sticky strip? whilst the motor magazines guys did it on your average country road? even then i guess the different shouldnt be that bad..
the UK CTR is only 1276kg,Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
not the 1350+kg the lard arse aussie car is...
by randomly picking a good 0-100 number and subtracting .7 seconds from it???Quote:
Originally Posted by quangsta
honda = full of shit. :thumbdwn:
Does anyone know why there is such a massive weight diff on the Aus model compared to the UK model? this may explain the stat's diffQuote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell
we get soemthing similar to what is known as the "GT Spec" version...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=261Quote:
Extra on GT:
Dual curtain airbags
Cruise control
Power folding door mirrors
Automatic headlights with dusk sensors
Front foglights
Dual zone climate control air-conditioning
Rain sensing wipers
Refrigerated and lockable glovebox
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...pecifications/
yes, we even get the "climate controled glove box"
ROTFL...
Where does that article say 0-100 in 6.8 seconds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
It says 0-60mph which is 96kph.
The magazine was wheels and as already stated it was at the Tooradin airport strip.Quote:
Originally Posted by quangsta
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Extra on GT:
Dual curtain airbags
Cruise control
Power folding door mirrors
Automatic headlights with dusk sensors
Front foglights
Dual zone climate control air-conditioning
Rain sensing wipers
Refrigerated and lockable glovebox, and not to mention the miscellaneous piece of lead weight hidden somewhere in the car's structure :p
hondas are shit its funny to see u all making excuses and talking bout variables and pretending u dont care bout straight line punch
best value type r is dc2 hands down all the others are fat overrated slugs
there i said it
:D
Nice trolling. So an EK9 or DC5R is a POS? Face facts, DC2s are great cars but are getting long in the tooth. They're hardly the be all and end all of fast Hondas.Quote:
Originally Posted by TECBOY
Yeah alright buddy...come race my mates DC5R and see whats more value for money. Chop your DC2 in about 2 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by TECBOY
I think he is talking about stock cars. You could make the FN2 very fast as well with mods and reflash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_typer
Yeah i know just dont have enough money atm...in a few months i will be doing modsQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin