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hey guys.. this lil turbo project is sponsored by us la (Race Nation in trader section..)
i was abit busy so i was unable to deliver the goods to u
Your bonnet / HID / Front lip / Radiator and gear knob will soon be delivered once ur car is out from the exhaust place..
everything is ready and its now stored in my warehouse
so let me know when it comes out and we put them on
u forget the front grill and the XFORCE gears are from us too ..lol
i think we should post some pic of wombat's turbo ek here since ur car is not ready yet..
both are turbo EK sohc but totally different set up and diff engine...
Support me xD
lol...even ur volvo is turbo...do u have anything that is NA in ur garage?
My Civic was NA until now.
Just want to show you the items which i have included in my cost summary. They are not installed yet. Will do it the same time when I installed the other sponsored items.
Front strut brace and lower 4 points bar
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01165.jpg
Rebuilt Denso 550cc injectors with OBD0/1 connectors
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01164.jpg
The cluster dash surround and gauges
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSC01163-1.jpg
I think they are decent enough for the price. All items arrived from US without hassle.
mate its pretty funny cos i got the same items for my car lol
Ok guys...tonight I went to Long Last muffler shop to pick up my civic. The custom catback exhaust is done plus the fume from the external wastegate can now plumb back to the exhaust system. The workmanship seems good. See pic.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01199.jpg
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Okay the wastegate is now joined onto the main dump pipe. At least i won't get a $20,000 fine from EPA.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01197.jpg
Custom exhaust piping from cat to muffler. 2.5" all the way
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01195.jpg
However there was a minor setback. The AFC did not work properly due to the differences between the Australian and NZ models' mapping diagrams. Therefore the car's idle was rough like hell and kept stalling when the gas was off. It could not be driven home :(
Can anyone please suggest a solution?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01198.jpg
Tim will organise the towing tomorrow to bring the car back to the workshop . He will need to investigate the problem.
No instant joy tonight.
Here is Tim's own personal turbo EK D16 ride with proper custom setup.
Garrett GT28/Disco potato turbo for fast spooling...cast iron header for reliability....custom cold air box...oil cooler...plus more..Lighting Fast!!
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSC01189-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01185.jpg
I will discuss more about this car after my project is completed...All I am suggesting is that if he can make this car runs so beautifully then he should be able to sort out mine. Let's hope and he can find the problem of this kiwi civic.
Right now...I just have to wait...
ey man, all i gotta say is "wow", this is one good thread. keep up the good hard work. Hope it comes together all good in the end.
I had a similar problem to you regarding idle, where if i didnt keep the accelerator down a touch it would constantly stall due to extremely low idle.
I searched the forums, and the best way was to increase the idle and reset ecu. I followed this link, very helpful http://www.teirney.net/civic/TipsAndTricks.htm. It Solved my problem and its still ideling properly without any stalls now. Give that a try and let us know how you go with that
hey Mr
what a good thread here..........really worth looking from the begining till the last ...and now still going...
u give a affordable option for those D16 here which dont really want to go the B route..(i wish i still have my EK sedan) then i will 100% do the same to it
...i am waiting for ur project finish and maybe i will start doing one again
very tempting...and seriously...great work
Go WOMBAT!!!!!!!!!!
hey just wondering is tim's car still got a/c and P/S?
I've noted that he's used a T3 manifold with a plugged up waste gate and a conversion adaptor plate.
Nice going i was gonna do something like that before, its good to see the idea would have actually worked.
While it is afordable, I don't think it is easy at all.
My tehnical knowledge on cars is very limited so I have to rely everything on others. I don't even know how to change engine oil or filter. It is not my field.
Personally I wish there is " turbo turn key" package available. Just drop the car and pick it when the car has been turbo charged and ready to go. I know AVO has it but it is priced at $6k+. I have decided to go down this route to see if I can do it for less.
Afterall, it looks like Tim's custom setup will most likely win contest as my project begining to look like 85% custom rather than bolt-on as stated in most ebay turbo complete packages. After this project is done, we shall know for sure what parts are worth using and how to set it up correctly.
Thank you for your support mate...once I have my car back you can do the magic on the exterior.
I think the Trust kit is a very good bolt-on kit if you want 100-120kw on the wheel and be happy with it.
Not sure the Trust turbo that comes with the kit is capable if you want higher output. And their injectors and e-management are not recommended from what I have read so far.
I believe custom kit will be much better than the Trust kit if you want ultimate power gain and use for track/drag.
Ok... this XS turbo kit is now officially garbage and cannot be recommended.
The idling problem is gone after the spark plugs have been changed.
But...the turbo won't spooling even up to 4000rpm......
This mean the XS turbo is basically not suitable for this 1.6L engine. And because it doesn't spool, the engine intake gets all choked up and engine becomes straving for oxygen. Bad.
XS Turbo - useless - may be better for skyline which has 2.5L engine - anyone wants to buy it for $200?
XS External wastegte - there is no rating marked on the spring so don't know at what boost it would open..anyone wants to buy it for $65?
XS dumpipe - needed to be scrapped even after cutting it to the right length
Newly custom made piping for the external wastegate - need to be scrapped.
I have lost more than this kit originally costed me with labour time and useless parts. If only you can see my face!
I am now very pissed with F%^King this kit...what a waste of time and money...I thought it would still work and can use it for comparison with Tim's custom civic. Well, the conclusion is that there is no comparison. Do not...I repeat..do not waste yout money.
I made a mistake of not going custom in the first place.
Now we need to go back to the drawing board and start savaging what's left of this XS kit. We will still use the manifold and intercooler piping but the turbo has to be changed. For simplicity sake, we decide to use a turbo with internal wastegate. I am going to bring out my spare skyline turbo in my garage...brand new garett will probably cost me another $1600+ so let's go with this turbo for now.
See pic. Plus I will need a Xforce 3" dump pipe for the turbo.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC00024.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...SFrontpipe.jpg
Tim's civic can produce a useable 135kw atw with turbo starts spooling at 2000rpm and the boost remains all the way through to the redline.
I am still hoping for my project to have a good result.
Ouch dude
That's sucks
Wasn't the turbo kit made for you car?
It was for d16.
And thats why not much of it works, because its about $1150.
It was actually starting to look you were almost there, and then this happens.
Hope it works out, i was originally going to do same thing, and decided custom.
Just wondering, how much the skyline turbo you have cost you? Or has it been there so long you forget...
Yeah, i thought I was there then this thing happens. One step forward and two steps back with this bloody kit!! And the turbo is way too large to use with this little 1.6L engine. Either that or the wastegate is a defect unit and just leaks boost.
XS like the rest of the other US ebay sellers put this type of universal kits together and by changing a few parts like the manifold and intercooler piping and they would market the kit as whether they want it to be. Now I can tell you that they have never tested any of their kit. Case close
I think I am now scrapping $1k worth of parts and labour.
This turbo was left behind by a client few years ago so no cost to me.
If I only listened to Tim and go custom from the start then this project would have finished by now. So it's my own fault.
No this is the Only d series kit provided by XS.
Your was a specific d series, 1.6L turbo and kit to suit, not just a universal kit with added pieces to make it for d16.
Where as the XS kits are universal, and they just give IC piping + downpipe to suit your car.
xforce dump pipie is on the way mate
yeah i might join you guys soon also. Mine's about underway.
P.S RedVTI - the spooling of the turbo is dependent on the turbo not so much on the manifold.
The reason Tim got a T3 with a T28 flange adaptor is cos it was a cast T3 and cheaper to get it that way. And cos you can't weld on a cast manifold he used the flange. I'm sure if you ask him he'll confirm.
I'm sure the custom kit will be good. PM me if you need a place to make the kit, as i have a place making mine also.
Thanks Limbo. Like I said, I don't possess a lot of technical knowledge so please correct me if I am wrong.
Tim's turbo is actually a GT28 or disco potates as he told me tonight.
I am happy to know there are at least four turbo civics in Sydney. How many are there in OZ hey? I think more and more poeple will turbo their civics.
Tim is juz gay mang...
yeah man! setting the car ..Tim the gaylord teaching me how to drive...=)
So time went the T28RS, that's a nice turbo ;)
I was thinking of that one also but its not cheap! the turbo is like $1,500 on it own.
I know of another 4 that you have not listed and i know there is alot more
Limbo --- His name is Tim, not time =)
There are lots and lots of turbo civics ruinning around Sydney... Ive personally seen about 20. Probably not even half of whats out there.
One of the reasons i quit. Not unique anymore :) But they are cheap to build, and make good power in a light shell. Bang for buck!
Not being unique doesn't bother me. My goal is build it within a reasonable budget and have fun with it, probably make some friends along the way as well.
Unique means $$$$. My savings is being used to increase my investment portfolio as this becomes a top priority when you reach my age:p
I guess for RedVTi, unique means having a turbo setup with decent performance (power) at a reasonable budget something easy for the masses. If RedVTi succeed in making a decent turbo setup, or a "unique" one, he may just get a first customer =)
I guess Weq u shouldn't quit, in fact u could be unique or different by going an alternative route from what you've been seeing? Supercharger? Twin charger? Twin turbo? =)
yeah i just got the T28R instead, yeah my bad calling tim, time.
Just make sure you use a proper garrett and you will have less problems, none of those immitation crap
I am waiting for Tim to chop up the XS dumppipe and my new Skyline dumppipe so they can be welded together. And also install the water cooling lines for the Skyline turbo.
So in the meantime, let me post more pics of Tim's weapon.
Custom cold air box
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSC01190-1.jpg
Adjustable fuel regulator
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01192.jpg
Plenty of gauges to provide vital info
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/TIMEKINT.jpg
Stealth intercooler sprayed in black
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Oil cooler setup
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01186.jpg
This is what should I have done in the first place and not wasted money on ebay kit especially when I have already got a few spare turbos.
What's Time beast put out REDVTI?
yeah..bloody hell, we are quite psyched up abt it..let's hope it has slots..
Hiiii...long time now see felix ..
yes..join us...
I just assumed from the above posts you thought there were not many turbo civic setups around. I was just pointing out that there are quite a few. You will find alot of them dont really post, they are not as attention seeking as the JDM boys.
Investing is smart, but it isnt fun. When i dump 20k into a car, i dont expect anything back except a great fat smile. Oh and girls. Fast loud cars get your honeys.
Uniqueness was the first thing that attracted me to turbo civics. Everything has been done before. Twin charged, twin turbo, supercharged. There are simple formulas that the americans follow with results garenteed. These days you have certain turbos for certain trap speeds. We are shockingly behind here. No research or development. All workshops do here is copy (albeit badly)..
I really like this thread though. You have put all your thoughts into words and have not let expectation or hype get ahead of you. Alot of people buy parts, proclaim they are the best and everything they had done is the best, and they leave it at that. This thread is more a journey into an unknown world.
You will be happy with the log manifold and skyline turbo. they sound great. Lots of flutter and a spool sound to die for.
Thank you Weq. Glad you are enjoying this thread.
I still believe in " No pain No gain" approach so a bit of failure along the way is okay by me.
And turbo Civics are still unique in their own ways because even if we counted every single turbo Civics in Oz, the sum would probably be less 2% of total imported Skylines. Right? On top of that, each turbo Civic has their individual variations.
My civic with Skyline turbo is probably a better setup and if it works then people with a budget similar to mine can go for it.
Whether we have chosen the JDM or USDM path we still only be the followers. Why? Looks at how expensive our workshops & imported part costs are in comparison to those countries, they can afford to try different setups until it is right. Over here it will suck us dry. But we shouldn't complain because we ain't living in a third world or have to worry about getting shot or bombed.
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Investing is smart, but it isnt fun. When i dump 20k into a car, i dont expect anything back except a great fat smile. Oh and girls. Fast loud cars get your honeys....
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..hehe... what happen if married?...
RedVti...no wonder u are turbo charging it...lol
Once again my heart can start bounding. Tim has positioned the Nissan turbo and installed the water cooling lines( see the extra lines ). Wastergate has also been modified. This setup is much better and more reliable than the previous one.
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Whoo whooo
Lets ride
Regulators Mount Up!!
Just wondering, did you changing to a colder spark plug?
And were the injectors $200 total, or $200 + rebuild ?
I don't think we have changed the spark plugs to colder as there is no change to the ignition timing.
The injectors were $200 total. Check seller evotuner on ebay us. That's whom i bought them from.
Have you contacted Tim yet regarding the turbo or manifold?
My turbo is now spooling at idle. Yeah! Yeah! Just waiting for the dump pipe modifcation to completed and i shall have turbo civic.
1996EK1 ..becareful of Tim...
he goes abit cranky w/o coffee or reverse entry =)...
ask RedVTi..he knows best..
bring him some ciggy will be a better idea..
soft pack..
REDVTI - looking good as
I'm still on the way. ITs taking alot longer on mine also. I've got lots of pics along the way and hopefully will put up a post of the progress.
I've also learnt alot more along the way as to why things are done certain ways.
The budget has blown but i guess that's normal. I've tried to use all good quality parts so that hasn't been cheap.
The turbo route isn't easy but that's mainly because there is a lack of local knowledge available to us hence we have to do it the hard way. It shouldn't be kept so secretive. I hope your build turns out good. Please post your build so we can learn as well.
Budget is there for us to blow but we have to understand the reasons as to why they have occurred.
I am happy to share the info with you. I must say it is fortunate that I have met the right people at the right time. My field is actually in finance & accounting therefore without the right people to help with this budget civic build, the project will probably need to defer for a long time.
Now if the car goes well I would like to use it on the track for some fun. I have already passed the OLT test for the CAMS licence but I don't think I will go into competition. It will require another $25K injection to make the car competitive. I prefer to use it on something else which makes more money. Right now I am just want a race seat, a set of second hand coil overs, decent brakes pads, semi slick tyres and sway bars, may be add a 2bar map sensor and the civic should serve the purpose after that... to have fun on the track.
Here is my OLT test results ( I used my S13 to do the test )
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http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...DSC01234bc.jpg
yeah, my problem are minor ones but its taking longer than i expected. I'll do a write-up when i'm done and post it up. Hoping to track mine also.
P.S if you need a set of front slicks for a drag run, i have a cheap set.
Do some type of trade with you for your cup holders?
the car up and running yet mate? =)
Happy New Year to everyone...
Had a break from this project and spent sometime attending the other car.
The story of this civic is that the first boost already killed the flywheel and clutch which were probably not in good condition in the first place.
Now waiting for a detail analysis so we can determine what need to be upgraded.
Lol i was wondering what happened with your car
bad luck on that one, i think im going to have the same problem =\
hope it goes good after that :thumbsup:
More then likely he was if its gone after 1 run lol.
You still have your stock clutch luke ?
lol man u have the worst luck for some reason. i turbod my civic in 1 week and everything was fine up until now
Whats happened to yours tekung?