Greddy Emanage Ultimate on both manual and auto euro

Im not an expert on this but what I have read, the emanage sits between say stock ecu and say injectors. When stock ecu picks up data sent from the sensors, and resending data to injectors, emanage is adjusting this data and send it to injectors. So the stock ecu doesnt know there is any difference..correct me if im wrong anyone...LOL..
plus,,if anyone knows anywhere cheap to get my car dynoed...pls let me know..I cant wait to see what number my car is pulling with these heavy 12kg 19" rims lol.

thanks chris!
wooot!
im so happy I installed it myself..its easy and didnt cost me anything hehehe!

I've been waiting for you to install the EMU for ages lol, sounds like a good result especially for the price. Look forward to seeing some dyno numbers

out of interest whats the normal point that vtec comes on in the euro? i thought it was about 5500 anyway?

the usual vtec point 6000rpm

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Apparently the e-manage ultimate has completely independent control of fuel and ignition (i.e. sends voltage directly) so there's no problem with it relearning. If you plan on running cams it'd be worth looking into a standalone that can control the VTC.

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Im not an expert on this but what I have read, the emanage sits between say stock ecu and say injectors. When stock ecu picks up data sent from the sensors, and resending data to injectors, emanage is adjusting this data and send it to injectors. So the stock ecu doesnt know there is any difference..correct me if im wrong anyone...LOL..
plus,,if anyone knows anywhere cheap to get my car dynoed...pls let me know..I cant wait to see what number my car is pulling with these heavy 12kg 19" rims lol.

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yep... correct! :D

sits in between the ECUs output to the injectors and ignition... so its add/trim/advance/retard will not be seen by the stock ECU and therefore wont be relearnt hehe...

What is the difference between the Greddy Emanage and Emanage Ultimate.. ?

On ebay, there is the emanage ultimate + wiring kit for $780 USD shipped which is roughly $1200 AUD..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:us

You can also go direct to their website http://www.turboimport.com/catalog/electronics.htm where it is $685 USD (not including shipping) for the emanage ultimate + wiring harness kit.

Do you guys think it's worth it.. ?

Also, if i only have a HKS SRI, would there be considerable improvement or would it be worthwhile getting a computer?

Whats happening with your car and ECU options Justin? We are pretty keen to hear what you have decided for your Frank!

Looks via though the emanage and not too expensive. I wouldnt do it without head work and cams though. Cant see the justification with a stockish setup.

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What is the difference between the Greddy Emanage and Emanage Ultimate.. ?

On ebay, there is the emanage ultimate + wiring kit for $780 USD shipped which is roughly $1200 AUD..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:us

You can also go direct to their website http://www.turboimport.com/catalog/electronics.htm where it is $685 USD (not including shipping) for the emanage ultimate + wiring harness kit.

Do you guys think it's worth it.. ?

Also, if i only have a HKS SRI, would there be considerable improvement or would it be worthwhile getting a computer?

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greddy emanage = old model... typical pigy back ecu (dont buy)

greddy emanage ultimate = new model... new style 'parrallel' ECU (buy)

my opinion...

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Whats happening with your car and ECU options Justin? We are pretty keen to hear what you have decided for your Frank!

Looks via though the emanage and not too expensive. I wouldnt do it without head work and cams though. Cant see the justification with a stockish setup.

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lol still havent decided... i havent had any time in the last month to even work on evs :( but hopefully during the christmas break ill sort something out :D

can someone give a straight direction on where to purchase the wiring harness for the euro with this emanage ultimate.

so you cannot remove the rev limiter with this thing right? so what about adding v or f manage? still not able to do it?

Im a bit confused. Do we need two ECUS as per this stupidly named thread http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103009

And how does this Kpro Dual ECU compare to the Emanage solution? Do you need two ECUs with emanage? And do you lose Cruise like the Kpro??

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Im a bit confused. Do we need two ECUS as per this stupidly named thread http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103009

And how does this Kpro Dual ECU compare to the Emanage solution? Do you need two ECUs with emanage? And do you lose Cruise like the Kpro??

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With the Hondata setup yes you need 2 ECUs.A K20 and your stock ECU+harness.
No you don't need 2 ECUs for Emanage option and you don't lose cruise control AFAIK.

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Im a bit confused. Do we need two ECUS as per this stupidly named thread http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103009

And how does this Kpro Dual ECU compare to the Emanage solution? Do you need two ECUs with emanage? And do you lose Cruise like the Kpro??

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For Emanage... No, the std ECU is used.
A V-Manage is also required for best results allowing for VTC control.
The cruise control remains & is unaffected.

Comparison is K-Pro gives absoulte control & precise tuning.
Emanage is always trimming over the top of what is unknown underneath.
That is the standard ECU.
Emanage works, the K-pro is better.
Only you can decide if either is actually worth it.

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For Emanage... No, the std ECU is used.
A V-Manage is also required for best results allowing for VTC control.
The cruise control remains & is unaffected.

Comparison is K-Pro gives absoulte control & precise tuning.
Emanage is always trimming over the top of what is unknown underneath.
That is the standard ECU.
Emanage works, the K-pro is better.
Only you can decide if either is actually worth it.

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OK.So how much is the K-Pro alternative?I assume you can supply,install and tune Adrian.:)

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can someone give a straight direction on where to purchase the wiring harness for the euro with this emanage ultimate.

so you cannot remove the rev limiter with this thing right? so what about adding v or f manage? still not able to do it?

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you can get the harness from here mate
http://www.boomslang.us/


Car is running very strong now. All the stock functions remain.
Im not really sure if its phychological thing, but today when I was playing with it, normally before installing the emanage, from reving the car all the way down from first to second, with VSA on, the lag was really really long, but now, it feels like that lag is only when wheels are spinning, but there is no retarding feel like before if you know what I mean.

Really love this mod with my light weight clutch and flywheel, I might get it tuned properly if I am not lazy hehe.:o

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you can get the harness from here mate
http://www.boomslang.us/


Car is running very strong now. All the stock functions remain.
Im not really sure if its phychological thing, but today when I was playing with it, normally before installing the emanage, from reving the car all the way down from first to second, with VSA on, the lag was really really long, but now, it feels like that lag is only when wheels are spinning, but there is no retarding feel like before if you know what I mean.

Really love this mod with my light weight clutch and flywheel, I might get it tuned properly if I am not lazy hehe.:o

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did you only install it yourself and requires tuning now?

Im getting excited by this thread now. This emanage ultimate sounds really good and workable within a reasonable price range. I do have the jtune mild flash but now im wanting more from my car. I'd love a set of mild cams and a good tune with this. Probably the VTC mod would be worthwhile as well.

We really need someone to suck it up ( like i did getting jtune first!) and ty this emanage ultimate on their mildly modded euro and report some before after dyno ATWKW figures. All this speculaiton talk is getting me frustrated.
We need some real data and results!

Crapdaz: I think this puts you in the hotseat since you have the emanage and havent done anything yet!! Make sure you get a base dyno first!

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you can get the harness from here mate
http://www.boomslang.us/

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do i choose the 03-06 Accord K24? then which input do i need?

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did you only install it yourself and requires tuning now?

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I installed it myself but that was only taking of the carpet and plugging in the harness to the stock ecu and hook it up to the emanage.
Lucky mine has been tuned by the previous owner. There is existing map. I know it will not be best suit my car but the gain is still heaps. I will try get it tuned soon. If I am not mistaken, I think I read some where it said that emanage ultimate already comes with pre-tuning map from factory. You can try it out darren hehe. Just plug it on and see if there is any improvement LOL. Dunno if its gonna kill your car though lol.

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do i choose the 03-06 Accord K24? then which input do i need?

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If I remember correctly, the previous owner told me the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input. Please confirm this with Crapdaz as he has also bought one.:thumbsup:

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I installed it myself but that was only taking of the carpet and plugging in the harness to the stock ecu and hook it up to the emanage.
Lucky mine has been tuned by the previous owner. There is existing map. I know it will not be best suit my car but the gain is still heaps. I will try get it tuned soon. If I am not mistaken, I think I read some where it said that emanage ultimate already comes with pre-tuning map from factory. You can try it out darren hehe. Just plug it on and see if there is any improvement LOL. Dunno if its gonna kill your car though lol.


If I remember correctly, the previous owner told me the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input. Please confirm this with Crapdaz as he has also bought one.:thumbsup:

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yeh i will but it's a paint for me to hook up cause i have to disassembly the console + headunit !! hahahaha

Daz, is the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input
but mine's 2006 tho, would it still work?

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Im getting excited by this thread now. This emanage ultimate sounds really good and workable within a reasonable price range. I do have the jtune mild flash but now im wanting more from my car. I'd love a set of mild cams and a good tune with this. Probably the VTC mod would be worthwhile as well.

We really need someone to suck it up ( like i did getting jtune first!) and ty this emanage ultimate on their mildly modded euro and report some before after dyno ATWKW figures. All this speculaiton talk is getting me frustrated.
We need some real data and results!

Crapdaz: I think this puts you in the hotseat since you have the emanage and havent done anything yet!! Make sure you get a base dyno first!

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hey russ, yeh i know, but hey my intake setup is not in ideal setup atm, so until i get the bodykit installed and fitted the CAI feed pipe then i can get the Emanage ultimate tuned properly.

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Daz, is the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input
but mine's 2006 tho, would it still work?

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should still work with it as the ECU wouldn't have had extra features with it besides the trip comp.

Best to contact boomslang.us for details and ask them about it.

Check what models the original posters had.

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If I remember correctly, the previous owner told me the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input. Please confirm this with Crapdaz as he has also bought one.:thumbsup:

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Daz, is the harness is for 04-05 TSX, and its air and water input
but mine's 2006 tho, would it still work?

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yep correct - get the 04-05 TSX harness (Air and Water)

the injector / ignition wiring is all the same...

i have complete wiring diagrams if someone needs them :)

Hi everyone, I am thinking to get a ECU for my euro. this is my mod.
GruppeM short RAM intake
5 zigen exhaust
hi flow metal cat (to be installed)
ORC clutch (to be installed)
Comptech header or TADA header (in the future).
Please advise.

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Hi everyone, I am thinking to get a ECU for my euro. this is my mod.
GruppeM short RAM intake
5 zigen exhaust
hi flow metal cat (to be installed)
ORC clutch (to be installed)
Comptech header or TADA header (in the future).
Please advise.

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what exactly are you asking?

if your getting any more performance parts then i recommend the tuning part is the last thing you'd ever do.

yes, but all of that will be installed in this month. then I can get it tune if i know what ECU to suit and where to do the tuning. Thanks

is it possible to save the map onto PC and transfer to other people to upload it to their e manage to use? is there happen to be a forum talking about tuning e manage ultimate?

btw, picking up a greddy e manage ultimate today, but need to save up for the wiring tho HAHAHA

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is it possible to save the map onto PC and transfer to other people to upload it to their e manage to use? is there happen to be a forum talking about tuning e manage ultimate?

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yes, if your setup is the same.. the map can be saved into a PC file and imported into the other car.

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yes, if your setup is the same.. the map can be saved into a PC file and imported into the other car.

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The reason why it is not recommended to share tuning is because each car/modder will have different modification setups, so it's better to have it tuned to your car spec rather than in similiar spec to hondata reflash how its a one app fit all.

If the tune is aggresive at 8/10, then you might be ok sharing maps with the same parts. But if the tune was extracting 10/10 of the power where there is very little room for error, then sharing the map is not advisable.

hm.... yeh it sounds alright to do.

But unless you base it on two cars who have different mods and have initial dyno baseline, then apply the tune and see the difference. No one will ever know if it is advantageous or not.

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If the tune is aggresive at 8/10, then you might be ok sharing maps with the same parts. But if the tune was extracting 10/10 of the power where there is very little room for error, then sharing the map is not advisable.

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^^^ agreed....

id only run someone else tune with a wideband o2 sensor monitoring your fueling levels...

just picked up the emanage ultimate.

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just picked up the emanage ultimate.

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how much for? PM me.

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how much for? Pm me.

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$675.

nice.... used and abused or brand new?

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nice.... used and abused or brand new?

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i bought it from a member on clubitr, but it is brandnew, still had wrapping and stickers and everything on it, no finger print on it at all :D i need to save up for the wiring now :eek:
also, just wondering where do you guys mount your emanage? photos?

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i bought it from a member on clubitr, but it is brandnew, still had wrapping and stickers and everything on it, no finger print on it at all :D i need to save up for the wiring now :eek:
also, just wondering where do you guys mount your emanage? photos?

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haven't mounted mine best to PM kitbkk
but if i were to i would mount mine on the passenger side near the foot next to the console wall exterior next to where the ECU is meant to go cause at least that would give you room to tuck the greddy harness as it's about 50cm long.

I put mine in the glovebox. I found the harness was annoying taking the space behind the ecu. Gotta remove the ecu wire mounting as well.

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I put mine in the glovebox. I found the harness was annoying taking the space behind the ecu. Gotta remove the ecu wire mounting as well.

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Reason for me to have it there is cause i have my EDFC cabling tucked in there cause there is no other space i can hide it.

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Reason for me to have it there is cause i have my EDFC cabling tucked in there cause there is no other space i can hide it.

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I have mine on both sides of the center compartment. muahaha.

You can probably put it under the carpet at the passenger footwell... I used to put huge passives crossovers there....

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You can probably put it under the carpet at the passenger footwell... I used to put huge passives crossovers there....

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you can but it'll be bulky as it's alot of cable and thick.

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you can but it'll be bulky as it's alot of cable and thick.

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my passives are huge, and the speakers wires are way thicker and more.... not to mention the car is a lot smaller then the Euro :p

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...039_medium.jpg

my cables for EDFC is about half a 1din HU (cable tied together) and incl the greddy harness its like 2cm thick x 50cm long

yeh rofl they are massive.

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my passives are huge, and the speakers wires are way thicker and more.... not to mention the car is a lot smaller then the Euro :p

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...039_medium.jpg

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my cables for EDFC is about half a 1din HU (cable tied together) and incl the greddy harness its like 2cm thick x 50cm long

yeh rofl they are massive.

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EDFC wiring is thin. Don't tie them together, have them in 2 bundles instead so that it sits flatter under the carpet.

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EDFC wiring is thin. Don't tie them together, have them in 2 bundles instead so that it sits flatter under the carpet.

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yeh should hahaha will do it when i put my greddy in.

I am not too sure what sort of cable is involve in ECUs and if there are susceptible to interference or not... I would prefer to shield them and not bind them together as wires then to generate EMF even though very minor, and bundling wires together then to amplify them. In highend audio these noise are noticable. So I would assume that in ECU, noise is not good too....

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I am not too sure what sort of cable is involve in ECUs and if there are susceptible to interference or not... I would prefer to shield them and not bind them together as wires then to generate EMF even though very minor, and bundling wires together then to amplify them. In highend audio these noise are noticable. So I would assume that in ECU, noise is not good too....

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the harness already has a shield mesh around it so shouldn't be too bad, but i get what you mean.

Well in doing so when i do put it in i won't be cabling it together with other cables but just have it free.

getting the car tuned tomorrow!

:D cant wait for the result !hey video record the dyno aswell if u can pls :)

hehe cant get a video record coz....1st thing I dont have anything that can record a video..2nd I wont be there the whole time..
Im gonna leave my car with Chasers for a whole day. They said they will charge it per hours of tuning. This is because they have already got the maps of Tommy's euro there and they will only charge $120-150 per hour. And they also said they wont need to work on it longer than 2 hours. Seems to be really good. Ill ask them about dyno sheet before and after. Ill report back here once its done.

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hehe cant get a video record coz....1st thing I dont have anything that can record a video..2nd I wont be there the whole time..
Im gonna leave my car with Chasers for a whole day. They said they will charge it per hours of tuning. This is because they have already got the maps of Tommy's euro there and they will only charge $120-150 per hour. And they also said they wont need to work on it longer than 2 hours. Seems to be really good. Ill ask them about dyno sheet before and after. Ill report back here once its done.

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good work Toda does it for $500....

$500 per hour?? or just $500 for the tune and dyno?

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$500 per hour?? or just $500 for the tune and dyno?

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they didn't give me a time frame but they just told me $500.
So i am assuming all up.

I should contact them and ask again.

This place, Chasers in Melb charged the original poster and ALN $500 each for install and dyno tune. Mine is lucky cos I told them those guys have been there and my emanage has also been tuned by them.

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This place, Chasers in Melb charged the original poster and ALN $500 each for install and dyno tune. Mine is lucky cos I told them those guys have been there and my emanage has also been tuned by them.

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any news from them?

picking up the car wooo hooooo!

Just got back home LOL.
good news first, I only paid $150 for it.. so I think it is alright.
bad news, it only runs 127.3kw. LOL

First thing when I picked it up, the lights came on. They were the triangle with ! sign (VSA), VSA (actually letters), handbrake (even though it's off), and ABS lights were on. I was a bit worried about them but was told they would go away once I drive the car for a few minutes as the computer needed resetting. Once I drove it a bit they did actually go, no more warning lights. (YAY!)

I did'nt drive it hard on the way home coz it was raining today. So I dont know about improvements yet.

I did not have dyno result of my car without e-manage ultimate as I installed it with maps of Tommy (Thread starter). After tuning, it only pulls 127.3kw, 2 kws more than before tune (with Tommy's maps). But the dyno curves in the lower range and mid range show improvement after tune both HP and torque. Ill post the graph when I can get an access to a scanner LOL. Hopefully tonight.

I guess my numbers could be compared to CL9-K24A3 (Tommy) and ALN (Andrew)'s numbers since all of our cars have been tuned at the same place, same dyno.

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My car (2005 Auto Euro Luxury):
Greddy emanage ultimate with plug and play harness
Skunk2 Racing catback
Comptech header
Injen CAI
Unortodox racing pulley set
NGK Iridium EX spark plug
Rims:Amistad Rotino SP2 (Japan) 19 inch
(Weight:approx 12 kg/wheels)

ALN's car (2003/2004 Manual euro):
Greddy emanage ultimate with plug and play harness
Fujitsubo catback
Comptech header
High flow cat
64mm TB
Clutch and Flywheels
Comptech ice box
Unortodox racing pulley set
NGK iridium EX spark plug
Mugen Thermostat
Rims:SSR (Japan) 19 inch
(Weight:??? slightly lighter than mine)
These are the current result from the dyno machine:

My car before tuned got around 103kw and after 114.4 kw.
ALN's car before tuned got around 114 kw and after 125.7 kw.

I can say that the result on the dyno graph read very low.Then the tuner itself said to me that dont refer to the number on our dyno machine.he said that the machine read very low.

There is one EP3 Type R, he got 124.? kw and at autosalon he got 134.? kw.so the tuner said that approx we add more around 7-10kw on our dyno result.when we have time, we will dyno our car again.

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my performance mods
Greddy E-manage Ultimate and harness
Injen CAI
Fujitsubo Cat-back
Toda header
Random Tech Cat
UR Pulleys

ORC Clutch and Flywheel kit
Wheels running: Heavy 19" 12kg VIP wannabe rims. LOL:p
Running 127.3kw...
No more modding LOL:o

ok. finally got it.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4417/scandx9.jpg

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ok. finally got it.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4417/scandx9.jpg

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damn thats an awesome improvement on the midrange!!

mine looks more like:


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lol 127kw atw is pretty damn awesome buddy! itd be one of the higher powered euros on here!

congrats!

kitbkk, is your car a LUX model? any electronic functions not working? e.g. cruise control, a/c, etc.... Thanks

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kitbkk, is your car a LUX model? any electronic functions not working? e.g. cruise control, a/c, etc.... Thanks

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i can answer this - lol everything stills works perfectly...

emanage only controls/alters the ignition / injectors / vtec / map sensor* / throttle sensor*

the stock ECU still runs everything else as normal... this applies on both LUX and standard models...

*note: if chosen

yeh nice figure even mine mildly modded isn't that gr8....

but then again different day....etc.... reckon the toda headers make a major difference though hahaha...

as the Hondata K-pro will be turn off the Cruise control function. is the K-pro better then Emanage Ultamite

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as the Hondata K-pro will be turn off the Cruise control function. is the K-pro better then Emanage Ultamite

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yes k-pro is better in the sense that it allows complete control over the engine... so you'd be able to extract some more power...

however, its more expensive... and you need to source a k20 ecu to run the kpro chip in, and then find someone to make up a piggy back harness for you... (or buy the whole kit from hondata once its realesed?)

not sure with running the piggy back ecu if youd loose cruise? youd have to ask euroaccord13...

many thanks. I might get the Ultimate as well. as I have my budget and dont want to loose my curise control function.

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many thanks. I might get the Ultimate as well. as I have my budget and dont want to loose my curise control function.

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unless you planning on changing your valve train (ie: cams / dual springs) or doing internals... i cant see the benefit in the extra money for kpro...

dont get me wrong... i would LOOOOOOVE kpro in my euro... but its alot of work, and i dont want to loose luxury functions...

yes me too. and also the approved the ultimate work well. don't want to do all research again and get the same output. My LSD & Toda header is coming (custom). May be install next week with ORC clutch kit. hehehe....

I thought mine would make at least 130+ LOL. I hope it will be more fun to drive once its not raining anymore outside lol.

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kitbkk, is your car a LUX model? any electronic functions not working? e.g. cruise control, a/c, etc.... Thanks

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its lux model and everything still works!

WOW nice result :)

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I thought mine would make at least 130+ LOL. I hope it will be more fun to drive once its not raining anymore outside lol.


its lux model and everything still works!

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damn and your still pulling 14kw more than i am hahahah

for the guys following the emanage thread on tsxclub.com... lmao at americans stupidity! :p

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I thought mine would make at least 130+ LOL. I hope it will be more fun to drive once its not raining anymore outside lol.


its lux model and everything still works!

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I think you would get 130 + kw on different dyno, Kit. Since few months before, I got ecu tuned at chasers, I constantly got 123-124 kw at wheels at Protek and Re Custom same with Tommy's car, seemed to manage difference between 8-10 kw in comparison to Chasers's.

What was the temp on the day, when they tuned the car? We were at 38-41 degree. Anyway it was a good result you got. :thumbsup:

yo andrew! nice to see you here. hope everything goes well in indo!

i think it was about 20-25 degree when my car was getting tuned. so i guess if it was hot like urs my car would be pulling about the same or less hehe.:p

car now responds heaps better!
driving hard with 3 people in the car (me 85kg, my gf 47kg and my brother 115kg) feels like only driving with my gf only LOL...

driving with traction control on, when redlining from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, VCA light blinks like I think 3-4 times.. where as before tune it only came on like longer and only blink once..


as the ultimate cannot control VTC, will running say buddyclub N+ cams give reasonable gain? From what I read with stock cams, max 45 degree VTC is still safe. But with more aggressive cams, I heard we do not really need higher degree VTC as it will not be safe.
or is machining the VTC mechanism to 45 worth the risk? Will I need engine management to control it? Im so noob with this LOL

Nice result on the dyno kit. Looks like the retune really helped the midrange.

You will still get some gains with cams but on the K-series being able to tune the VTC really does make a difference. Personally I wouldn't run aftermarket cams with the ultimate, I'd prefer to have something that can tune the fuel/ignition more accurately aswell as the VTC.

I'm going to try the stock cams with the 50 degree VTC once I've sorted out an ECU.

Ill give it a miss then..
with those ECU like K-pro and Vipec, what is the chance of VTC slippage? I have read a thread on k20a forums there was a guy who ran a dc5r(I think) VTC mechanism and k-pro with k24a engine. The VTC slipped for only a split of secs and he blew his motor lol. I heard running a machined 45 degree stock VTC is more safe?

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Ill give it a miss then..
with those ECU like K-pro and Vipec, what is the chance of VTC slippage? I have read a thread on k20a forums there was a guy who ran a dc5r(I think) VTC mechanism and k-pro with k24a engine. The VTC slipped for only a split of secs and he blew his motor lol. I heard running a machined 45 degree stock VTC is more safe?

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yeah a few guys in the states have had piston to valve contact from running 50degree of VTC... not sure what advance they were running at what rpm... but id be careful...

Be real interesting to see what gains can be had with stock cams, bolts ons and a safe 45 deg VTC....