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Gotta agree with Tony......:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
The rest appears to be a lame attempt at an apology with some sarcasm thrown in....
But I will accept your "apology", (can't speak for the other "girls" though)
...and rise above "tearing it to shreds" as it is probably the best you can do considering............:D
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Originally Posted by tinkerbell
that is in his signature lolQuote:
2005 Red 18x7 TeinSS RSB SS Header Fujita CAI JTune MFlash
i turned signatures off on ozhonda because too many gaylord riceboys on here have such ugly signatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
thanks for letting me know :thumbsup:
B20VTEC - since 2002...Quote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell
1st place: 2007 NSW CAMS Supersprint Championship - class 3B
proudly powered by theoretical "Toda watts"
i suppose your signature isn't gaylord then?
Got the ecu as promised and a free Hondata heatshield gasket for the trouble.
Now i will fit the beta flash ecu tonight.
When i install the HS gasket i might do the throttle body bypass as well. Anyone done this??
I received my ECU back last night (sent back without the reflash due to the faulty equipment). Didn't take me long to get the immobiliser back on and the ECU back in. Started it up and the "Check Engine" light came on and the car was running rough. I thought it might just be re-adjusting to having the ECU taken out and returned so I took it for a short, slow drive and it was running rough as guts. Very concerned I got on the phone to James from Jtune and surprisingly he answered his phone despite it being well and truly "out of hours". James was very helpful and advised me to pull out all four connectors to the ECU and then replace them.... Fortunately it worked! And boy was it good to drive the Euro around after 9 days of abstinence - an exercise that reminds you of how much of a pleasure they are to drive. Anyway, moral of the story was that James was very helpful and accessible in this instance. He also advised that the Hondata equipment was now on its way to Australia and should be up and running soon.
I look forward to hearing Suntzu's review of the Mild Reflash...
Good to hear.When did James say the mild"reflasher"would be available for reflashes?
keen to see how the mild flash is!!!
I got my temp ecu fitted. Its got a beta mild flash. Car was running rough and engine check light on. The roughness cleared but not he check light.
Hard to say about performance. Delivery of power more linear. Too hot today to test properly. Stay tuned for more.
The mild reflash smooths out the power band a bit which gives the car a slightly beefier mid range but less of a kick so your butt dyno will not feel that much. Hope the CEL clears soon mate.
ive done it :) easy as pie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
all you need is a 3/8inch joiner and some honda coolant (to replace the coolant you drain)... once i get back to canberra ill try finish my DIY RBC modification, its got the throttle body bypass in there aswell :D
Are you sure that the four connectors to the ECU were in really tight? The jerkiness and engine check light sound like what happened to me when the ECU wasn't connected properly. Also a strange smell of the fuel running really rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
Honestly sounds pretty disappointing if you can't notice much difference in performance, even on a hot day.
When i drove my car with the Mild flash ecu in it, it was over 30 degrees.
Couldnt notice a huge difference, seemed more willing to spin the tyres off the line and generally revved out smoother
Didnt notice a change in vtec noise like you do at 6000 with the standard ecu, also it revved notably higher, had my car higher then ive ever seen it :p
id be curious to hear how it goes when the temperature isnt so hot
gaylord maybe,Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
riceboy not.
haha good call, i didnt think you were gonna notice :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell
So would it be safe to say that after some days of driving it now that the performance is pretty disappointing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
for the money spent , and the time and effort this looks disappointing :)
hehehe thats why im spending my money on camshaft :p among other things
thats why iam spending my money on comptech supercharger yo
:O !!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
So so so so so jealous right now!
but ill still race you once my cams are done ;)
I agree the supercharger would be the shIt.How you pulling that one????:p
That being said, ive been informed that the flash I have is just one to get me rolling while the issues are sorted. In fact its very similar to stock.Actually my cars running like dogs balls in a vice with 240v connected.
Ill reserve judgement till I get my proper reflash assuming it doesnt take longer than a few weeks.
Good luck what are you going to control it with ...even comptech gave up on it......Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
fine i'll just buy that honda city turbo and smoke yo ass's LOL
He can use piggy back like EManage ultimate or haltech interceptor or more expensive choices like EFI ecu or motec. Sure they can work it out, DBW ain't new thing nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
Im "promised" the proper ECU flash mid next week. Let see what happens.
i was offered the Haltech and a retune by someone from here but that talked it up and made promises that they never followed through with.
The Haltech does work with the euro. I can confirm this. Dunno about Vtec.
if it can do DBW it can do VTEC???Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
http://www.haltech.com/ecu_comp.htm
seems all have AUX outputs...
Can it handle the cam phasing bit?
Ok,
Ttrue to James word he got me a new ECU and flashed it at Hondata in the USA and had it shipped to me today. the issue was resolved reasonably quickly and professionally.
Its installed and working prefectly.
Going for a drive now...........
Ahhhh, do tell us how it is, a nice detailed review....LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
does it feel like "turbo"
all that money spent , and all that stuffing around by the "company" - you'd hope it bloody well feels like a "turbo".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
As if it will feel like a turbo....:)
is it worth $1000? be honest!
Quick run as a rough test. http://www.mediafire.com/?fm0zxx1itti :angel:
how was it performance wise?
Sounds good but what's it go like??Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
How long is the sound clip ?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
About 6 secs
Its a approx a 7.2 second 0-100. ( using sound wave analysis software.) I slipped a bit on loose gravel at the start and only rev'ed it to 3000rpm at release. Also you can hear I did hit NOT the rev cutout. It was a basic run that you could do without cooking the clutch and tyres. It was 23 celcius. My previous best was approx 7.8 secs. I think the cars good for a 6.9 sec pass.
Im not after 0-100 but flexibility actually and I have tha nowt. Im using this just as a base line to measure the flash, so you guys can have some idea of what Im talking about. I dont drag people of course the cars not made for that. Not to mention its for lancer riceboys.
The 80-120 3rd gear passing acceleration is improved by a decent amount. Theres no difference til 5000rpm when the vtec shimmies ( read not kicks yo) in and then you get a constant surge to 7000rpm.
My review later. I got to drive the car some more. Sux to be me today :) :p
Sounds good.Do you reckon the reflash is worth the money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
sounds pretty good
How would could someone go about accurately measung the 0-100 and 80-120 (in 3rd) other than going on the track? I'd like to see stock and flashed times for comparison, but they'd need to be accurate, as I'm interested in how this mild flash pans out.
do it at the WSID? the drag strip in sydney. or dyno run to see power figure kw shootout difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cranial
Has to be done on a dragstrip. It is not safe on the street and streets are not perfectly level anyway. Same thing with the circuit track, the straights are not usually dead level like dragstrips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cranial
Thats a great idea :thumbdwn:. Order and install the flash and run the tests at your own expense and time. Instead of waitng and expecting others to do it for you at their expense, so you have an easy and risk free run. Sounds pretty straightforward. I'll look forward to your results so i can compare against mine. That is unless your full of shit which I suspect you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cranial
Dang thats harsh... I wasn't getting personal there - you don't know me, and I don't know you. We're all on the forum to be productive here. I don't think it's the place to make personal judgement on others like you have. I was only asking a question. I was NOT asking anyone (including you) to do these tests for me. I was asking for a method to do it accurately. I think you've mis-understood me and taken a swipe at me for no reason. Not very nice.
You kinda are, suntzu was giving his review on the mild flash of what he believes.
And you comment on how could someone be accurate without going on track or strip.
Suntzu also said approximately not exactly. He went out of his way to write out a review for all of us in HIS opinion of what he thinks it turns out to be so be greatful he did.
And yes taking it to the strip would be a good idea but maybe he didnt have the time yet to go with another stock euro owner to compare. Give the guy time he only got two days ago.
I'm planning to take my euro with the extreme kit to Willowbank next thursday night, so I'll have some accurate times.
Does anyone know if they give you a printout of 0-100k times as well as
400m times?
Has the exhaust noise been fixed yet though?
oh and I do agree with Cranial, he wasn't asking anyone to do it for him, just how to measure it more accuratly. Well that's how I understood it anyway.
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Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
The harmonics within the car are way down, it appears it was the header pipes vibrating against each other underneath the crossmember. A lot better outside too now, must have been also affecting the sound level at the mufflers.
Should be heaps better with the final production headers which are 15mm longer on the vertical to clear the crossmember more, as mine are vibrating occasionally depending on revs and gradient.
Just did a accurate check of a tank of mixed highway and town driving, averaged 8.2L/100k's.
Thanks for your review of the mild reflash. To me, the subjective experience is really important as I never drive my car on a racetrack for time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
Are you still going to do a more complete review later? I'd be interested to hear about the low-down torque response and also the difference in engine noise - especially with vtec at 5K...
Im doing a complete review in week or so. Im not making any claims till its daily driven.
Going pretty well though. Feel like its got more torque in the 3000-5000rpm band, makes it lets tiring to drive as you dont need to shift as much.
I dont know if track times will tell you a lot because each car is different and has a different driver, but it will give you an approximate if you have a before and after result I guess. Im not going to drag strip mine though.
In summary:
Its smoother throughout the rpm range.
Has a little more torque at lower rpm which transitions in a pretty manic surge from 5000 rpm onwards.
Its easier to drive.
I dont know about fuel yet.
Its slightly quicker to 100kph, im guessing about 0.4 - 0.5 sec.
I dont think you would get much from the mild flash without at LEAST a proper intake. The car needs more air, esp with the flash.
The car sounds slightly more Bassy, meatier in the exhaust but that could be a placebo.
The engine sounds the same otherwise. Not any louder than normal. In fact if I didnt have an angry elephant stuck in my Fujita you would never know.:)
I would expect the extreme to be similar to this but to have more of everything in these areas. At least i hope it will for the money.
Re: Last night. I was a bit harsh, I'd had a few beers, but i stand by what I say and that is there a few people here that expect this and that and a bit more but have are not prepared to actually commit to doing anything themselves and then bitch on when they dont like what they hear. Thats not personal, its a relevant and accurate observations. If you get your knickers in a knot then sux to be you.
thats fair enough your brave mate for giving it a go first and thanks for the review
wtf 8.2 i dont even get that with a stock euro LOL iam lucky to get 12'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Look forward to the report Suntzu.:thumbsup:
that is terrible. are you sure you dont have a MAJOR problem with your car?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
When I was testing it thoroughly when it was first installed, with lots of "spirited" driving on country roads, I was getting mid 11's/100k's.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
The biggest difference with the extreme is all the torque down low, so I tend to drive in 5th gear around town, as it is happy in 5th down to 30kph.
6th still needs 80kph minimum to have reasonable acceleration, but way better than before at 100k's.
Glad I don't live in a big city coz that's got to cost about 4L/100k's, all that stationary time at traffic lights, and frequent starts............:thumbdwn:
Do you have man.or auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
auto why what diff does it make i get about 480km out of a full tank and i never even turn air con on..
Man.cars always get better fuel economy than autos.high 10s i think is typical for an auto.BTW i've got a manual and i get high 8s in city driving.someone here with an auto should be able to give you a better idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
my mate (05 Euro manual) gets 600-750 per tank with air con all the time, VTEC often...
plus he has Injen CAI...
recently he got 7.8l/100 on a trip to Forbes...
but i didnt think auto would be THAT much worse!
Autos drink more for sure. Especially for the Euro. I get 10.5L/100km city driving and 7.1L/100km pure highway for the manual. A friend with the auto does about 12L/100km city.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
I get about 10.5-11L/100km in my 05 Std Auto. That's vtecing about 3-8 times a tank and mainly city driving. If I do mainly highway driving I get about 9. If I do all highway driving I get about 7. I could get as high as 12 if I reved off at the lights, late braked and generally acted like a dick (which we all do from time to time).
But anyway, this should be in the fuel consumption thread.
Re-reading what I wrote, I guess it could have been taken a different way to what I intended to say. In anycase, it's good to see you giving the flash a go when so many people haven't done so.
I plan to get the flash, I have no money at the moment as I myself have done some unique drivetrain mods to my Euro, which I will write up a review for soon.
Thats fair enough. Its hard to say if its worth it cause different people put value on different things in certain ways.
Interested in hearing about these custom mods. Good to see people trying things.:thumbsup:
I got a free Hondata:honda: Heat shield gasket when my ECU blew so Im going to fit that and a throttle body bypass. Not sure if my buttdyno will register the 1.6 kw increase ;) though. But really im doing it for fun and something to try eh?
why does auto use more? what if i use tip tronic (lol this may sound like a stupid question)
Because it has a torque convertor. Sacrifices revs to smoothen out the drive and to get more torque. More revs + more throttle = more fuel consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
Damn, just my luck........:thumbdwn:
Was going to take my euro with the extreme kit down the 400m @ Willowbank tonight, bloody wicked storm going thru Brisbane now...:(
Have to wait 'till next week now, I even headed off but phoned home to check the radar loop...luckily.....all bad news......:thumbdwn:
Ah well, used to delays........hmmmm....lol
I think my ECU is adapting better now after a few days of running. Got more power so it seems or could be the lower temps ATM. Either way a stock euro isnt getting near me, love to drive an extreme kit tho.
One week on, made the 2 hr trip, big rain cloud over Willowbank on arrival 15min before start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
...and then it pissed down......:thumbdwn:
Got called off 5 min before start, too wet!
....so 2 hr trip home....try again next week.......:)
o man, i feel sorry for you haha
its the curse of jtune gear, everything gets delayed =P
but yer hope next week it wont rain for you hehe
that sucks :(
Been lots of rain around lately, Went to Eastern Creek yesterday and was worried i wouldnt get on the track for rain, was lucky enough for it not to be wet :)
Curious to see the numbers it puts down to :)
So whats the deal with j tune now, is he doing mild flash tunes for anyone?
is it just me or was the original price for the mild tune supposed to be $980? and its now $1250?
That is a shame - do you have the final extreme kit yet or is it still the pre-production stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Still waiting for the final gear.....but it's coming ..........................Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
March maybe.....................................:zip:... ..:eek:
Finally got to put my euro extreme down the 1/4 mile at Willowbank last night.
Heaps of people after rained out the last 2 meets, so only got a couple of runs in.
First timer, so improvements to be made, especially reaction time, but my busted left hip doesn't help with the clutch..........:thumbdwn:
1st run.....15.3
2nd run....15.3
3rd run.....15.1
Should crack 15 with a decent start and spare etc dumped.....and a bit more practise......lol....
Going to give it another run in 6 weeks or so when I have the final production exhaust............:thumbsup:
hm, i'm a little dissapointed with those numbers actually.
I don't know, but i was expecting mid 14's.
I'm still in for the mild tune though :)
cool, thanks for letting us know. The car should be capable of 14's in the colder months. What was your final MPH?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Was it a hot day aswell? I remember my car ran a bit slow down the strip because ambient temp was up over 36degrees (3300ft+ relative altitude).
The 15.1 was with VSA on, track temp of 33C and humidity 83 %
KPH was 150.88 or 93.75 MPH
If I can control the wheelspin next time with VSA off I can see mid 14's possible if VSA off can make as much difference as many suggest.
Didn't do any research on launching before going either......:eek:
.......bad mistake.................:thumbdwn:
VSA off should make a nice difference. Even when stock, VSA on and off makes a difference in the fast shifts. So the benefits will be better if you turn it off on your Euro.