well... quick question... will all this problem arised if we get the JDM instead of UKDM? If not, then we cant blame Honda... ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
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well... quick question... will all this problem arised if we get the JDM instead of UKDM? If not, then we cant blame Honda... ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
The JDM version looks to be leaps and bounds better.Quote:
Originally Posted by denot
FWIW I'm not blaming Honda engineers; I know Honda can give us what we want (the stuff already exists a la JDM CTR) they just choose not to...
At the end of the day, I'm sure they've got product managers employed here on mega-buck salaries. I guess they decided that there wouldn't be enough demand in Oz for the real CTR. Sad thing is that it's probably true.
Still, thats not enough to stop me having a whinge on an internet forum :p
The car is here to stay so tissue box that way =>
Thats all i can say. Negative posts which are starting to get boring especially when they are the same over and over again.
It’s just a Japanese culture to retain the better product for their own market. I am pretty sure even if they did choose to bring in the sedan Type R it would have a detuned motor, smaller brakes etc. just like the old DC5R. Learning from their previous mistakes which the DC5R copped massive criticisms, they are not going to follow the same step again. So in that sense it’s definitely a wiser move for Honda to import the hatch Type R, at least its specification is consistent with the rest of the world, and on surface nobody is given a wash-down model.
i believe the DC5R is not detuned and downgraded by Honda purposely... i think its our Oz law that enforced honda to do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
aussie law?? What kinda law says that? Does the law also say ozzie dc5r should have smaller wheels and no brembos?
whoops... when u guys said "detuned" i thought its the same as "not giving the best engined tuning" (engine modification) and not including all other accessories (brakes, wheels, interior, exterior, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
i doubt honda would sell as many if it was like the old one stripped out ect, is the focus, wrx, mazda 3, golf gti all stripped out???? NO!
pull ur heads in, honda need to be competative in this hot hatch market, people want hot hatches with luxuries, not stripped out race cars ffs.
get with the times.
Well then cranky pants, it's not really a type-r- is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
If they are going to compete with those cars, the civic will need an extra 500cc's or a turbo, or 500cc's AND a turbo... 148kw and 193nm doesn't cut it compared to the cars you mentioned.
In summary, they've created a car that is slower than it's competitors, is less driveable, rides more harshly but, is similarly equipped - yay for honda. It's like someone in product development couldn't make up their mind about how, where and with whom they wanted this car to compete.
perhaps some of these arguments would have been non-existant if they had named the car type S?
then we'd have less arguments of it not being a type R and more arguments on why they didn't bring over the jdm ctr.
There will be an online forum on Thursday JULY 5th,7:30 P:M,that will give people the opportunity to ask the experts questions about the Civic Type R.
All you need to do is to register.
http://www.hondaexperts.com.au/
thats brave