Does you euro have drift to one side tendency?

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25-10-2006, 06:26 PM
LXRY

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Update...

Getting my car back tommorrow took it to a professional tracking place ( Track-Right), first they put it up on there alignment machines rear was out.....this is just after I've recently been to Bob Janes for a wheel alignment mind you.

They checked the car from top to bottom (measured it all up) nothing wrong with the car itself according to them. They test drove it after the alignment and was not pulling at all (according to them, not me yet).

Had a talk about the tyres, told me that could possibly be the uni-directional tyres. According to them the tyres have the belt on one side from manufacturing causing them to drift (refer to attachment, taken from http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html thanks to euro77 for the link..).

They will test drive it again tommorrow morning when the tyres cold just in case. Also adviced me to ask for new tyres if it persists, not UNI-DIRECTIONAL.

If they get enough complaints they have no choice but to do this, according to them...push push they say, this I agree with aswell. It's not our fault that they chose the wrong tyres, they should of trialed the tyres with the car. If you ask me heads have to roll at Honda, someone F*@!ed up. Still a safety issue aswell, IMO.

Will report again tomorrow
25-10-2006, 06:33 PM
yfin

Hmmm, thanks for the post Lxry. You might remember I posted a while ago that I got my drift to stop but I did a few things at the same time (suspension, strut, laser align, tyres) so not sure what fixed it?

Well you might be interested to know that I fitted non-directional tyres... It wasn't a conscious thing - it was just a good deal on that particular make and tyre.

By the way, I think you are going to have problems getting the dealer to do anything if an independent place says the car tracks straight. Let us know how it goes with the cold tyres. :thumbsup:
25-10-2006, 07:19 PM
Omotesando

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Getting my car back tommorrow took it to a professional tracking place ( Track-Right), first they put it up on there alignment machines rear was out.....this is just after I've recently been to Bob Janes for a wheel alignment mind you.

They checked the car from top to bottom (measured it all up) nothing wrong with the car itself according to them. They test drove it after the alignment and was not pulling at all (according to them, not me yet).

Had a talk about the tyres, told me that could possibly be the uni-directional tyres. According to them the tyres have the belt on one side from manufacturing causing them to drift (refer to attachment, taken from http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html thanks to euro77 for the link..).

They will test drive it again tommorrow morning when the tyres cold just in case. Also adviced me to ask for new tyres if it persists, not UNI-DIRECTIONAL.

If they get enough complaints they have no choice but to do this, according to them...push push they say, this I agree with aswell. It's not our fault that they chose the wrong tyres, they should of trialed the tyres with the car. If you ask me heads have to roll at Honda, someone F*@!ed up. Still a safety issue aswell, IMO.

Will report again tomorrow

There should not be any problems with Uni-directional or Directional tyres, honestly. Most if not all high performance tyres are Uni-directional.

2ndly, the RE040 has TWIN steel belts, that is the design of the Potenzas. So it is wrong to suggest its the belt on one side that contributes it drifting to one side. As much as I respect Trutrack and their guys, I wonder if they actually know about this tyre.:D
25-10-2006, 07:47 PM
tony1234

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Originally Posted by yfin

Hmmm, thanks for the post Lxry. You might remember I posted a while ago that I got my drift to stop but I did a few things at the same time (suspension, strut, laser align, tyres) so not sure what fixed it?

Well you might be interested to know that I fitted non-directional tyres... It wasn't a conscious thing - it was just a good deal on that particular make and tyre.

By the way, I think you are going to have problems getting the dealer to do anything if an independent place says the car tracks straight. Let us know how it goes with the cold tyres. :thumbsup:

If there is a problem with an OEM tyre that Honda put on their cars then Honda have to honour any warranty issues that may occur.It's the same with the battery,while they(Honda)don't manufacture these(tyres and batteries)these items are covered on a "pro rata" basis meaning that with say tyres,if there is 50% tread left then 50% is paid for by Honda and 50% by the customer.You make a good point yfin.I, like you have fitted non-directional tyres(continentals) and i don't have the problem.It's likely directional tyres are to blame,the RE 040s are maybe worse re:pulling/drifting than other directional tyres on the Euro!!!:confused:
25-10-2006, 08:00 PM
LXRY

Twin belted...

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Originally Posted by Omotesando

There should not be any problems with Uni-directional or Directional tyres, honestly. Most if not all high performance tyres are Uni-directional.

2ndly, the RE040 has TWIN steel belts, that is the design of the Potenzas. So it is wrong to suggest its the belt on one side that contributes it drifting to one side. As much as I respect Trutrack and their guys, I wonder if they actually know about this tyre.:D

You are right they are TWIN belted....hmmm. Just checked their site
25-10-2006, 09:17 PM
yfin

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Originally Posted by tony1234

If there is a problem with an OEM tyre that Honda put on their cars then Honda have to honour any warranty issues that may occur.It's the same with the battery,while they(Honda)don't manufacture these(tyres and batteries)these items are covered on a "pro rata" basis meaning that with say tyres,if there is 50% tread left then 50% is paid for by Honda and 50% by the customer.You make a good point yfin.I, like you have fitted non-directional tyres(continentals) and i don't have the problem.It's likely directional tyres are to blame,the RE 040s are maybe worse re:pulling/drifting than other directional tyres on the Euro!!!:confused:

I agree with you 100%. But how is LXRY going to ever get help from the dealer or Honda Australia - if his alignment specialists say the car tracks straight? What you need is someone independent (and of reputable experience) who will say "this car is not tracking correctly" and be prepared to say so if Honda or a dealer calls them. LXRY hasn't got that yet so his case is going to be difficult to deal with under warranty.
26-10-2006, 07:11 AM
cgspot

Anyone got an explanation?

After coming back from the service centre my drift to the right was gone... however, the feel of the cars ride was rough and I noticed the tyre pressure had been reset to 44psi cold.

The SEA-Q3 inside the door states 225/45R17 91W to be 32/30psi.

I dropped the tyre pressure down to 32 and 'Wham' the drift to the right came back, really bad. Bring it back up to 42 and its gone.

How could it not be the tyres?

I'm not happy about running the tyres at 42 let alone 44 so I'm in a bind ... is it safe to continue to run the tyres at 42psi or should I push for new tyres?

(Only 4500Klms on the clock - no modifications)
26-10-2006, 07:24 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

I agree with you 100%. But how is LXRY going to ever get help from the dealer or Honda Australia - if his alignment specialists say the car tracks straight? What you need is someone independent (and of reputable experience) who will say "this car is not tracking correctly" and be prepared to say so if Honda or a dealer calls them. LXRY hasn't got that yet so his case is going to be difficult to deal with under warranty.

At least it's narrowed the problem down to the tyres.If the alignment specialist is prepared to state that the car is tracking straight then Honda has to look at replacing the tyres and LXRY has to contribute depending on how much tread is left.:(
26-10-2006, 07:26 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgspot

After coming back from the service centre my drift to the right was gone... however, the feel of the cars ride was rough and I noticed the tyre pressure had been reset to 44psi cold.

The SEA-Q3 inside the door states 225/45R17 91W to be 32/30psi.

I dropped the tyre pressure down to 32 and 'Wham' the drift to the right came back, really bad. Bring it back up to 42 and its gone.

How could it not be the tyres?

I'm not happy about running the tyres at 42 let alone 44 so I'm in a bind ... is it safe to continue to run the tyres at 42psi or should I push for new tyres?

(Only 4500Klms on the clock - no modifications)

Try 38psi all round.I run that in mine,no problems.I've got 7600ks.on mine.
26-10-2006, 07:39 AM
cgspot

@ 38psi

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Try 38psi all round.I run that in mine,no problems.I've got 7600ks.on mine.

At 38psi the drift to the right is still noticable
26-10-2006, 07:47 AM
tony1234

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Originally Posted by cgspot

At 38psi the drift to the right is still noticable

Is it less noticable at 38psi as opposed to 32psi.?
26-10-2006, 09:07 AM
cgspot

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Is it less noticable at 38psi as opposed to 32psi.?

Yes .. but its still there, 40psi is about where it stops drifting into the next lane after 6 sec @ 100K, but is 40psi (cold) a safe pressure when the recommended is 32psi, especially in light of the fact that tyre pressure increases as it gets hotter?

Bridgestone say not to inflate over 40psi http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/...e/pressure.asp

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