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40psi should be allright but i wouldn't want to go higher!I was told by the guys that did my tyres(Tynan tyres.they're division of Tynan-Honda dealer in Sydney sth.) that 32 is too low.The tyres wear on the outsides.should be at least 36psi!!!!I'd whinge to Honda,annoy the crap out of them.This is all BS they're giving you.It's the tyres,what more evidence do they need!Take them to Fair Trading that should prod them into action!:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by cgspot
Ive been running my RE040's at 38psi all round and the drift is still there. Ive dropped my rears to 36psi to try and soften up the ride a little.Fortunately or unfortunately this hasnt made the drift better or worse.Im going to check again on my next long run if the drift is any less when the tyres warm up and increase pressure.I think from memory its not quite as bad.
Im starting to think that this problem is a combination of the uni-directional tyres and the design of the Euro front end.In particular,the apparently very steep SAI angle of the strut assembly.
I also notice that Euros run what appears to be a fair amount of positive camber on the front wheels.This in conjunction with the SAI angle, and perhaps too much negative (or positive) castor( i always get confused with castor on FWD's) would give the Euro nice light and responsive steering 'feel',but would also allow the car to self steer off line more easily.I would be curious to know what the Camber and Castor settings are set at from factory.....does anyone know for sure what they are?
I reckon it's the uni-directional tyres.(mainly the RE 040s)They just don't seem to suit the Euro!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by avid
I think most of us who are actually experiencing this problem agree with you Tony....the tyres dont suit the Euro.But what we are looking for are solid technical reasons WHY they dont work with the Euro.
All you can do is go to dealer with your car drifting,ask them to put tyres and rims off another car(maybe demo)or even better a new one,if it doesn't drift(which it shouldn't do) it's the tyres.What more proof do they need!!!Then you want tyres replaced on a "pro rata" basis.Nothing less,none of this tyre rotation crap.As for technical reasons how is the average owner going to do that.It's obvious,current tyres =drifting,new ones =no drifting.Like i said before annoy the crap out of them(dealer and Honda).They'll take action just to get rid of you!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by avid
My car is STILL DRIFTING, no difference what so ever (steering wheel still not straight aswell, another alignment for nothing :( )
BUT WAIT......
Sorry everyone havn't got back on this matter....Have searched high and low for a solution, and finally I HAVE FOUND IT.....After all the F*$^ING around!!!!!
Spoke to a bridgestone dealer today just dropped in for the sake of it cause I was pissed off after speaking to someone from customer relations Honda (got now where with the phone call) didn't think it would help but I was desperate....
I asked the manager of the Bridgestone dealer if they had any problems with the RE040, and whether they where a good tyre? His response to me was that of course they where, why wouldn't they be. My response to him was that Honda where blaming the RE040 on the drifting problem that where a SHIT tyre, he casually replied "If they where SHIT why are they using RE040's then?" He was abit upset as I set a challenge to him....but wait....He casually picked up the phone while still talking to me confidently called head office expecting them to side with him.....He asked "is there any problems with drifting on the RE040" so confidently, they said "NO" untill he mentioned my car was a euro...........Then they replied "YES" they said there WAS a problem with the euros drifting with there RE040 that where fitted from JAPAN. This poor bloke and myself where shocked after all that F*%$@ING around it was that easy.
Out he came to inspect the tyres....Apparently the DOT (an imprint on the tyre with the manufacturing date was on the wrong side....e.g. the dot or stamp should be facing on the outside of the tyres. My car on the left hand side they where on the outside, BUT on the right hand side they where NOT, they where on the inside of the tyre, being uni directional this is a problem as you can't rotate tyres. Apparently they had done a recall before the car was released....Hmmm makes me think I bought mine in January. Everywhere I went they only had 2005 models except at this dealer where I bought my car, not many of them around according to the dealer i bought it from. January models came with 5 year warranty aswell...hmmmmhow many euro's in this forum bought in January? Sh*t for all I know the dot could be the same on all re040's not sure about this going by what he told me.
I will report on the date of manufacturing
or dot Tommorrow.
Now after all this info thanks to this gentlemen from bridgestone dealer I then called my dealership to vent my anger....they still denied it, which didnt surprise me.
The person he spoke to on the phone was a Steve Gleeson from head office Bridgestone Australia.
Tommorrow I will call Stave Gleeson personally again to confirm the problem and explain that it is there best interest to chase the matter up as the reputation of there tyre is at stake, and after that I will call Honda Customer
Relations again with this new info....
I suggest everyone check there tyres to see which side the dots are and please report back to this thread....
Even call Steve Gleeson at Bridgestone Australia because I am tommorow, first thing and Honda Customer Relations as well.
I would appreciate the support everyone as one person they wont listen it takes many too stir the pot on this matter, and I will be reporting the issue to Vic-Roads as a safety issue aswell.
They have no choice but to listen If we all call ppl...I'm sure we all love Honda especially our Euro's, but this is not on, fair is fair. Not our fault we shouldn't have to chase shit like this up, thats why I bought a new car with new car warranty ( I'm repeating my self I know, sorry)
The number for
Honda Customer Relations 1800 804 954
Bridgestone Australia 08206 0200 (Sth Aust.) Steve Gleeson
couldn't find a freecall number sorry
Can't wait for tommorow....HeHe
P.S Aaronng this is going back to when you brought up that theory of yours you brought up, hehe...you where on the right track!!
Thanks for the update LXRY. What you say is very interesting and it may well be that Bridgestone and Honda are well aware of the issue but are simply discussing (read fighting) over who will pay for any defect or error.
Just to clarify a few things though - when you say there was a recall, was that by Bridgestone or by Honda? Honda hasn't recalled anything regarding tyres.
I know what you are saying regarding these dots, I have seen them for myself - but what about the direction stamp on the tyre? If that was showing the wrong direction someone would have picked it up a long time ago.
According to this guy and his conversation with Mr Gleeson the recall was done before the car was released, and about the dot not sure if it is about which direction the dot should be but I think they are refering to the dot needing to be on the outside of the tyre (facing outside) not on the inside of the tyre, not exactly sure of this, will clarify this tommorow, after the phone call with Mr Gleeson (Bridgestone Aust.)Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I had a quick look at my tyres just now. The only difference I can see is right next to where the characters "DOT" are on the tyre.. On the right side of my car (i.e. Drivers Side) the front and rear tyres have the code "DAJ0306". On the left side this code is not there. Is this what you are referring to? As this is the only difference I can see between the tyres on the left and the right. Also, my car does drift to the right.
I'd be all for helping you guys with the drifting/pulling problem but i changed my tyres to Contisport contact 2s at 70 ks.I've never liked Bridgestones.This is the main reason i swapped them.
Sorry everyone but it seems that the guy who spoke to Mr Gleeson from the Bridgestone dealer was WRONG
Just got off the phone with him personally. This guy is a legend....seems NO-RECALL...what the guy meant by recall was that a few cars maybe more than a few not sure of this, where having this problem (drifting) from 0klm's...they couldn't give the cars to the customers like this obviously. The tyres where sent to them for inspection...they where inspected I think even sent back to Japan, came back nothing wrong with the tyres. It seems that the tyres on euro's where specially engineered for the car (wind tunnel).
Now according to Mr Gleeson (euro owner himself, 2005 lxry with 17" RE040 OEM) they are the same tyres as he has on his 2005 model, which don't have this problem...seems like only 2006 models only, according to him.
Told him what they had done to my car (adjusted or bent the K-frame) to absorb the drift, said straight away this was only a band aid solution, is not fixing the problem, just causing another one.
What he meant by DOT was when they came in for inspection, thought that might have been the same batch with the dot which was a coloured marking which comes off whithin a few washes....not the dot I was refering to in my previous thread SORRY :(
He thinks that this might be a camber, toe issue....as the camber cannot be adjusted so they adjust the K-Frame, this poses other problems like my steering wheel not straight for example, or even if the tyres where to be changed, what then does the frame have to be adjusted to suit new tyres....?
He told me how they even rotated the tyres with the arrow facing the other way (this should have made the tyres drift to the left according to him, if it where the tyres)
So I am back to the drawing board, damn I was excited...
He told me that Honda even if they knew what it was they wouldn't tell me anyway, everything hush -hush there apparently :zip: .
So now according to him being a witness of course, there is a problem with the car drifting, yah ;) .
Sorry once again...If anyone wants to speak to him this is his number 03 93692922 Mr Gleeson, just tell him your from the Ozhonda forum, there to help !!
Anyone want to talk about 'class action' yet??