NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

update for ping issuse;
i have just done my first service today. in the front, i told one consultant that when it has 'zzzz' noise (not big, not annoying) when i accelerate, even smoothly accerate. after that, the consultant told me that my car was tested, and identified that my car has 'pinging' problem, and they will send my details to australia honda, once the finalised software is released, they will contact me asap.
what a fk:(:eek:, i never hear any ping noise from my as some guys mentioned previousely, but the 'professional' people tell me exactly, that i have. also, i ask whether the updated software will reduce the power. the man said, definitely not. ok, i try to trust him, as they are 'professional'.

I bought a brand new Accord Euro Luxury Navigation in late january this year. I have clocked about 2,300Km with no problems. However, about 10 days ago for the first time I noticed a strange popping noise coming from the back of the car. The noise did not re-occur until last night when I heard the same noise again.

I am sure that the noise came from the muffler tube on the left. It sounded like a "pop" inside a metallic tube.

Does this sound to any of you, like the pinging noise that everybody is talking about? (Please say no)

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Originally Posted by Joystick

Also, I was told that if you use any other oil apart from mineral in the CU2, you will void your warranty. The guy was pro sythetic but said he's been told that if you use non-mineral oil Honda won't honor the warranty. :(

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Originally Posted by yfin

Joystick - what does the specs in the manual say re type of oil? If you go with that and it says nothing about the use of synthetic oil - I can't see how Honda could validly void warranty by the use of synthetic oil.

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Take a look at pages 393 and 394 in the Owners Manual. As long as it is API Service SL grade or higher and you use the correct viscosity based on the chart on page 393, you should have no issue with Honda in using synthetic or mineral oil.

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Originally Posted by yfin

I found the reference - Honda here is saying post combustion is not pinging. Yet other Honda people are saying it is? Honda needs to sort out its messaging as it increasingly sounds like bulltish and damage control.

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Dear xxxx, ....... we can confirm that the condition you are experiencing is not that of “pinging” which is known within the industry as “pre-ignition”. The condition that you are experiencing is a combustion sound taking place after the programmed ignition, namely a “post combustion noise”.......

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Yeah, I saw that earlier and it is the reason why I have posted the links to the Wiki page a number of times. Honda Australia is run by clerks and they don't know that pinging is a post combustion noise and that pinging is not pre-ignition. They've got everything arse-about (can we Type aRse?)

So I guess the crap about oil is to encourage people to stick with the Honda oil instead of bringing in your own stuff. Thanks for the help guys.

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Originally Posted by Joystick

So I guess the crap about oil is to encourage people to stick with the Honda oil instead of bringing in your own stuff. Thanks for the help guys.

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Maybe, but keep in mind that there are Honda dealers out there that don't even use FEO themselves. The dealer that I brought my car from uses Magnatec and they even have the magnatec logo printed on all their paper work.

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Originally Posted by unity

Maybe, but keep in mind that there are Honda dealers out there that don't even use FEO themselves. The dealer that I brought my car from uses Magnatec and they even have the magnatec logo printed on all their paper work.

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I know of 3 Honda service depts.in Sydney that use Magnatec.

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Originally Posted by tony1234

I know of 3 Honda service depts.in Sydney that use Magnatec.

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So what's the message they are trying to send out there? Is FEO an inferior product or does it just come down to profits at the end of the day. I wonder how many other non geniune Honda fluids are being used in our cars?

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Originally Posted by unity

So what's the message they are trying to send out there? Is FEO an inferior product or does it just come down to profits at the end of the day. I wonder how many other non geniune Honda fluids are being used in our cars?

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FEO is not an inferior product - my recollection is it is made by Castrol.

I don't see what the problem is if a dealer uses Magnatec. If it meets Honda specifications then why not.

If you don't want to use that oil bring your own - I did that for every service (with synthetic oil from 10k). Never had an issue with the dealer using my oil). Dealers usually charge $35 for mineral oil anyway so for a little more $$ you can bring your own synthetic.

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Originally Posted by yfin

FEO is not an inferior product - my recollection is it is made by Castrol.

I don't see what the problem is if a dealer uses Magnatec. If it meets Honda specifications then why not.

If you don't want to use that oil bring your own - I did that for every service (with synthetic oil from 10k). Never had an issue with the dealer using my oil). Dealers usually charge $35 for mineral oil anyway so for a little more $$ you can bring your own synthetic.

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It's just an image thing. You would expect a Honda dealer to use and support anything with the Honda name on it. It would be like going into McDonalds and getting Pepsi instead of Coca Cola.

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Originally Posted by unity

It's just an image thing. You would expect a Honda dealer to use and support anything with the Honda name on it. It would be like going into McDonalds and getting Pepsi instead of Coca Cola.

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Or have gone into Pizza Hut and got a Coke instead of a Pepsi when Pepsico owned Pizza Hut.

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Originally Posted by yfin

FEO is not an inferior product - my recollection is it is made by Castrol.

I don't see what the problem is if a dealer uses Magnatec. If it meets Honda specifications then why not.

If you don't want to use that oil bring your own - I did that for every service (with synthetic oil from 10k). Never had an issue with the dealer using my oil). Dealers usually charge $35 for mineral oil anyway so for a little more $$ you can bring your own synthetic.

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1.FEO is a good oil however i was told by a head Honda tech that it can start to breakdown after 7-8K if the car tended to be driven on the hard side.
2.I think Magnatec is not much better than FEO as far as starting to breakdown before 10K.Both of these oils would be more than adequate if they were changed at 5K intervals.
3.That's the best option.Bring your own oil.That's what i do.