Thanks for the advice and the discussion guys.
I didn't mean for the topic to be fired up between you TypeS and Red_EG4.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
But hey, happy family? :)
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Thanks for the advice and the discussion guys.
I didn't mean for the topic to be fired up between you TypeS and Red_EG4.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
But hey, happy family? :)
Wow... Sounds like your really trying to defend your purchase of Tein Basics "TypeS". Have you received a lot of crap for purchasing them?
Red_EG4 is offering an opinion, just because its not that same as yours, doesn't mean you can ride it out all together.
Also, your using this "shock blowing" argument... can you tell me what would prevent a coilover from blowing under the same situation? (IE Cruising around with a couple of fat asses for a while). I've known quiet a few people to have more problems with coilovers leaking (E.g D2) then with a decent set of springs/shocks... also never heard of anyone's shocks "blowing"... and if they have, 9/10 it would be due to age or doing stupid shit (Doing jumps)
Its almost like your saying coilovers are the "be-all-and-end-all" of suspension... if they are so good, and your conventional "Spring/strut" is so prone to "blowing" why do 99% of cars run spring/struts?
That’s none of your business.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
Where have I ridden it out? Before you start running your mouth, read the thread first.Quote:
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I’ve defended a product, which I have ACTUALLY used, comprehend?
Oh so you’d like to nit-pick my posts now.Quote:
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Why are you comparing “decent set of springs/shocks” to D2’s? We know D2’s are of cheap quality, so what’s your point?
Compare your decent spring/shocks to something decent like teins for gods sake. And no I haven’t heard teins leaking, as much as a shock blowing, from a lowered spring.
You’ve never heard of shocks blowing? Do you live under a rock? No it’s not from doing stupid shit. It’s from using a bad combination of springs with shocks. People want to go “low”, so what do they do? Get shorter springs. What do you think is going to happen?
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Don’t put words in my mouth. That was never implied.
Coilovers are the prime choice for your everyday Joe. You know why? Because your everyday Joe, wants something which will give him the drop and improvement in handling he wants, right out of the box. He doesn’t want to be running around trying different springs and shocks.
90% of the spring/strut kits on the market will never give the drop you’re after.
It may be too low or too high. Do you think people want to be running around trying different springs?
That’s where the market for coilovers come in. They provide an out of the box solution, which will give the drop you want as well as an improvement in handling.
For the hardcore trackers out there, springs and struts are perfect for them. They’ve got the time and knowledge to try out different springs, with different dampers to see which will run best with their setup.
But for your everyday Joe prebuilt coilovers are the way to go.
99% of cars run spring/struts is because the manufacturer’s actually know what their doing. The springs are catered to the shock.
They’re not just getting any spring and matching it with some random shock. Countless hours of R & D actually go into it.
Now here’s a question for you. Why do 90% of modders take out these springs/struts and go for coilovers? And yes that includes those tein SS’s your running.
Julie, i find that having a firmer ride is better in my type S, doesn't bounce around as much and feels rigid. On my stock struts it was like a jumping castle on parramatta rd. So don't be too worried if people say its firmer than stock - its a good thing; for me anyways.
You think I would start "running my mouth" without reading the entire thread? How do you think I came to the conclusion of you feeling the need to defend the Tein basics?Quote:
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You have written it out when you told him that because he doesn’t own a DC5 his "experience means zilch". He is given his opinion on the matter (And he sounds like he knows what he is talking about). Just because it is completely different to yours and because he doesn’t own a DC5 doesn’t mean you tell him his "experience means zilch".
My point is, if you buy cheap coilovers, or cheap spring/shocks, you'll have problems with them. You get what you pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeS
If you do research, and find a spring that isn’t going to be stupidly low, you won’t have problems. I know my older brother ran lowered King springs on his stock shocks on his Mirage for like 2 years (This was 6 years ago) and never had problems.
No, I don't live under a rock. I personally tend not to associate with bogans (cut springs), or people that have no idea about cars. When I first bought my DC5R, it ran Eibach springs on the stock DC5R shocks (Hey look I can bold words to). I have since sold these to Burak, who loves them. I'm not sure how many K's are on the shocks, but they sat in my shed for about 2 years, and they are perfectly fine.Quote:
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Just to note… I only read through that once… about 20 min ago… and I’m kinda over this argument, because you seem like the type of person that HAS to have the final word.Quote:
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Maybe if people read websites, and did a little research, they would know roughly how much springs are going to drop a car. Burak looked into it when he bought my springs, and he has said they are perfect height.
That's none of your business... naa... I'll actually give you an answer for that. When I bought my Tein SS (Far out, bolding is easy) almost 3 years ago, I had heard lots of good things about them, a few of my friends with DC5's (So that means there opinions would be valid... by your standards) were running Tein SS or HA's, and said they were good... so I got my Tein SS's 2nd hand for a bargin. In that time I have lowered (Lowest setting), and then raised it (To what it is now) once. After having these for 3 years, I’m actually considering changing to something a little more stiffer, as they are too soft for my liking... maybe you would be interested... would be a nice step up from Basics.Quote:
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I would personally love to get some Ohlin's, but my brother (He owns a EG Civic) has been looking into getting some new suspension for his car (Currently runs height adjustable only coilovers), and he has been looking at a Koni shock/spring combo, and he has told me all about it (As he is the type of person to do research before he buys something), and he has come up with a fair few pro's & con's about both coilover and strut/spring combo's... but... I guess I'll have to do my own research as his car is differant to mine... so his research "means zilch".
No you didn’t read the thread, otherwise you’d know exactly why his experience means zilch.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
His experience means zilch because, he’s never used the basics in a DC5. His bullshit experience from some heavy non-honda car, does not give him any justification to disregard these coilovers, without experiencing them in a DC5 first, period.
It’s like me walking into a skyline forum, and telling everyone “Oh the basics are crap, buy something better, they were horrible in my honda”.
You think anyone’s going to give my opinion any weight? NO Why? Because it’s not the same car. Every car is different. Just because your experience wasn’t good in one car, it does not mean the same will happen in another.
Here’s an exercise for you; drive three different cars with the same coilovers.
Drive a R33, DC5, XR6 and tell me if the coilovers feel the same. I can GURANTEE you, they WON’T. That’s right, write it down. You heard it here first.
And in future, actually comprehend what I’m trying to say, before you start swinging from his nuts.
Bravo! Way to win an argument, champ! Not only you provide a biased example, but you do it in style too! I mean a Mirage? WOW, you go sir! Don’t trip on the sarcasm.Quote:
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First of all, you’re a douche for running lowered springs with stock shocks.Quote:
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I pity they didn’t blow.
Secondly, I don’t care who you associate with, or who you don’t. This is not your autobiography. Keep it on topic.
And if you ran lowered springs on stock shocks, I don’t think you’re in any position to be feeling all high and mighty of yourself; you should place yourself, in the same category, as, “the people who have no idea about cars’. Irony at it’s finest.
And again what does this have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
You need to stop writing useless dribble and get to your point. Just for the record, no-one’s twisting your arm, your posting at your own peril.
Never assume anything. Not everyone’s going to research, people like to be spoon fed, welcome to life, how it’s lived today.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
That’s why there’s a market for coilovers, because all the hard work is already done.
Yes their opinions are valid, because they’ve actually experienced them in the DC5. They aren’t recalling an experience, from some bullshit car, they know from first hand experience, driving the same car as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
So basically this is the life of your suspension in short;
- You were cheap and bought lowered springs, while retaining your stock shocks.
- Then you jumped on the Tein bandwagon, because all the cool kids were running them.
- Now that you’re such an “enthusiast”, you need the justification for a stiffer setup.
Wow I would have expected something better, from someone who doesn't, “associate with people who know nothing about cars”.
And now your giving me advice? Oh please, a clue stick like you, should be the last person giving advice.Quote:
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What are you 10? My brother does this…brother does that…What’s with this infatuation with your brother?Quote:
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However your brother sounds like, he knows what he’s doing, kudos to him. I’ve got nothing against people, who actually research before hand, and actually know what they’re doing.
And no his research won’t mean zilch. All it will mean is, you won’t be able to dismiss anything, before trying it into your car first. Kapish?
chill out man. its not that big a deal. $950 is a decent price and its a girly dc5. you don't wanna be sending her out there on racing coils
good job TypeS, way to spam someones legit thread.
Julie let us know what happens with the coilovers or what you decide to buy :)
**** man... take a chill pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeS
Edit: Ahh... **** it. I can't be bothered arguing with you about this.
You have made some valid points (Which I must say I have over looked), but some of the stuff you have said was uncalled for, such as the name calling (Calling me a douche for putting lowered springs with stock shocks in my car, even though I said I bought the car with them already installed), and the comments about my brother.
I still don't see there being a major problem with putting "certain" lowered springs with stock shocks if you have done research into it. As there are actually aftermarket springs that have been fabricated to be used with stock shocks (I beleive Tein & Eibach make a set of these for the DC5). Ofcourse, if you go out and buy a set of springs (Eg SSL Kings springs), and put them on your stock shocks, you would certainly experiance problems with these, but that would be expected.
Julie (Guessing thats the OP): Good luck with whatever you do.
I have no hard feelings, this is what a forum is for right? stimulating discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC5-4ME
I hope our discussion has helped you, and apologies for making a bit of a mess in here.
Have you bought the Basic Coilover? would love to hear your review of them.
OP just get it..
sounds like a good deal.. and will suit your application
if it doesnt work out.. least you know that..
spend abit more then you can just upgrade your suspension and then sell them on here to people like..
ohshi-
There's a big difference to using lowered springs on stock shockabsorbers to using any spring on blown shocks. Calling someone names for doing so is silly. Worst case scenario your shocks blow xxxx kms before what they would've with the stock shocks.... and what's the resale on a set of stock shocks anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeS
The stock suspension in my car was a 'coilover', - referring to the coil going around/over the shock? just because it's not Height and/or Damper adjustable doesn't mean it's not a coilover,Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_EG4
as opposed to a different suspension setup where the spring doesn't coil over the shock regardless of whether it's stock or 'sports'.