Civic VTi-R 0-100 times?

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Originally Posted by greecegun

Really? I supsect theirs is still better than ours, if not as good as Japan's. I have been reading UK as well as Oz car rags for years.

Why else do identical models in the Uk get consistently better accelaration times? It has been like this for years. Australia probably has the worst fuel quality of any develped nation.

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Go look at the stats. EE8/EE9 = 150bhp, no knock sensor. EF8/EF9 160ps (158bhp), knock sensor. The reason the B16A was detuned was fuel.

Personally KNOWING VT owners, we looked at the mapping etc, looking at the mapping, comparing the motors etc we came to the conclusion it was the early '90s fuel that led to the detuned VT compared to the SiR. BTW, the UK VTiR runs the same spec engine as the Aussie one: 160bhp, not the JDM SiR II's 170bhp. So explain that one?

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Originally Posted by SiR

From what I know, the 'official' 0-100km/h for the VTi-R is 7.6-7.8 sec.

I have a clip of an american Si doing 15.2 for the 0-400m run. I believe it has a CAI/exhaust.

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I'm always wary of official numbers - it makes good sales and thats about it. Usually the figures are done on a minimum equipped car. I have never replicated Honda's 15.3 with the SiR and no of no-one who can. 15.4 was the closest that a guy came with the road-varient and optional LSD. Of course, that can be easily beaten by a ED with B16A due to weight differences.

CAI/exhaust is not stock remember. :)

Yeah, true...but some manufacturers tend to be conservative about their 0-100km/h times.

I can confirm that the US Si did 15.2@91.884 mph with an AEM CAI only. Not stock, yes...but close. Impressive time nonetheless :)

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Personally KNOWING VT owners, we looked at the mapping etc, looking at the mapping, comparing the motors etc we came to the conclusion it was the early '90s fuel that led to the detuned VT compared to the SiR. BTW, the UK VTiR runs the same spec engine as the Aussie one: 160bhp, not the JDM SiR II's 170bhp. So explain that one?
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I am very well aware that the UK spec VTI (wasn't called the VTIR there) had the same 158 hp motor as Oz, and the the Jap spec was 170 or so. But the same 158 hp motor being tested in Zo with worse fuel than in he UK will be enough to make a difference.

I think you need to read what is posted before commenting and look at the designations being cited. The EF8/EF9/XSi B16As all produced 160ps, the EE8 and EE9 produced 150bhp, the XSi had no Euro counterpart other than the 1st gen 'teg/Rover with ZC and 2nd gen B18A1. Please get your facts correct before commenting. It wasn't until the EG6 that the B16A hit 170ps and the Euro spec equivilent was detuned to 160bhp.

Also, please note that the '88-'91 B16A powered Civic and CRX WERE called the VT in the UK and a lot of Europe (where it was also called the CRX/Civic "VTEC". Please get your facts straight before mixing up your designations.

Please also note that my JDM EF9 runs 160ps and is in JDM spec tune and running fine on Aussie fuel hitting peak power. Note I said JDM tune, not the same specs as the (much) later OBD Aussie B16As etc in the 3rd gen CRX and the VTiR Coupe and hatch.

Keep quoting your magazines and NOT your experience at me though, I find it amusing.

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Originally Posted by sui

whats the 0-400m time on a stock or mildly modded civic vtir?

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16.2 sec.

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I think you need to read what is posted before commenting and look at the designations being cited. The EF8/EF9/XSi B16As all produced 160ps, the EE8 and EE9 produced 150bhp, the XSi had no Euro counterpart other than the 1st gen 'teg/Rover with ZC and 2nd gen B18A1. Please get your facts correct before commenting. It wasn't until the EG6 that the B16A hit 170ps and the Euro spec equivilent was detuned to 160bhp.

Also, please note that the '88-'91 B16A powered Civic and CRX WERE called the VT in the UK and a lot of Europe (where it was also called the CRX/Civic "VTEC". Please get your facts straight before mixing up your designations.

Please also note that my JDM EF9 runs 160ps and is in JDM spec tune and running fine on Aussie fuel hitting peak power. Note I said JDM tune, not the same specs as the (much) later OBD Aussie B16As etc in the 3rd gen CRX and the VTiR Coupe and hatch.

Keep quoting your magazines and NOT your experience at me though, I find it amusing.

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I find it amusing that you are trying to blind everyone with science and forget the question that started this post. :P

We are trying to compare apples with apples. A Civic VTi-R around 95-96 etc etc etc etc.
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The Oz spec VTIR is quoted at 158 hp.
The UK spec VTI in a 1997 road test was ALSO quoted at 158 hp.

As a guide, they got 7.7 sec to 60 mph (ok 100 kmh is 62 mph but close enough).

All I am saying is that OZ spec car should be slightly slower than that, everything else being equal, due to our worse fuel. Fuel in the UK is better than here, as is European fuel. Maybe you shoul;d get your facts correct for a change.

If cars on the UK or the Continent have been detuned in comparison to Australian equivalents, it is not because their fuel is worse than our. Totally the opposite. It because their emissions regulations are tougher than ours.

Sorry If I haven't had the time or inclination to jet around the world and test all possible variants of the 1.6 litre DOHC engine, as I suspect that all motoring magazones are a conspiracy.

why doesnt someone just go to the strip and measure their 1/4 mile times instead of this bitch-slapping session? :? [/quote]

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Originally Posted by greecegun

All I am saying is that OZ spec car should be slightly slower than that, everything else being equal, due to our worse fuel. Fuel in the UK is better than here, as is European fuel. Maybe you shoul;d get your facts correct for a change.

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Hahahahahahahha - prove to me where I'm wrong "for a change" :p

BTW - I'm figuring that 18 years on the road with more than a few performance cars gives me a little bit of knowledge - other than what I read in mags.

Explain to me why the UK cars have been detuned compared to the JDM ones and I might believe you over the past years (where your original statement first came from). But the fact is that according to the EE owners, the cars were detuned because their fuel was well below JDM requirements. We then move to the EG series (as in our 3G CRX and their EG Ciics with VTEC and you'll notice that power ratios are the same for the B16A. I wonder why? Maybe because they are tuned for similar fuel requirements (but both still below JDM requirements). We then go to the EK6 and EM1 VTiRs and well golly gee, they are the same spec as their Euro counterparts but once again detuned from their JDM EK9 counterpart. I wonder why????

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fuel maybe?

Then we look at the fact that one of our forum members runs a JDM EK9 on Aussie pump fuel... gee - it must be worse than what's in Europe... NOT.

So far you have quoted mag articles from the UK that do a comparison between our fuel and their fuel.... or did they just say that their fuel was good... or did they just say that their cars use fuel.

On that topic, are we talking RON or what?

Keep guessing though, ignorance is bliss :)

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Originally Posted by LatinoHatchCrap

why doesnt someone just go to the strip and measure their 1/4 mile times instead of this bitch-slapping session? :?

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Because when they run @ the strip they rarely run unmodified ;)

Good point though, I just like arguing with mag racers who believe that the magazine is god :P

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Originally Posted by LatinoHatchCrap

why doesnt someone just go to the strip and measure their 1/4 mile times instead of this bitch-slapping session? :?

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I already have on 8 occasions. I refer to another thread online here somewhere.
5 times i got varients of 16.2 to 16.27. all @ 137 -139km/h
Using stock wheels and rubber, 32 PSI, bone stock off-the-showroom trim.

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Originally Posted by greecegun

The Oz spec VTIR is quoted at 158 hp.

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Where did you get that from? As far as I know, it's 160hp..