accord euro 7th gen vs corolla sportivo 03/04

we have an automatic 2004 facelifted accent and its awsome ... not the best on performance but really comfortable and roomy for the size ... fantastic work and town car and its great on fuel as well

no idea what the manual ones are like but those facelift s'tivos look mean

i remember i rented a corolla once... the prefacelift one, and was quite impressed... zippy little motor, pretty bland, but very toyota like interior... wasnt too bad

the sportivo has the same running gear as the top of line late model celica... ive heard the gearing isnt right for the motor, it drops out of powerband at times... and no lsd which is a pain, but ive heard one in full flight and man, what a noise...

not in the same league as the euro in terms of performance in my opinion, but the it really does come down to what kind of car you want... the euro is a lovely cruiser

Took an 04 sportivo for a test drive very nice interiour nice comfy and roomy gearbox is abit wierd though not that smooth shifting but very impressed otherwise..he wants 15.500 with 125,000ks all standard 1lady owner seems a quite fare price..

that sound spretty good .. is it 2004 facelift or 2004 non facelift?

Sounds alright but isn't great when you drive it...

I didn't like how the 2ZZ-GE had a big huff of nothing nor the feel of the 6spd which didn't feel positive if you get what I mean. I also complain the hardware surrounding this hotted up model isn't up to standard.

I did consider one as a daily but after driving both a stock one and my friend's bolt-on frenzy one, decided it wasn't worth my time. It definitely didn't meet what I want. The car I've got now blows it out of the water and that's before touching it...

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

that sound spretty good .. is it 2004 facelift or 2004 non facelift?

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pre facelift I think asked about it on toyota forums and they said just the looks are abit different thats it same engine,interior etc

this is the one im looking at

Owner wants 15.5k Ill try get it down to 13k

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...=25&__Qpb=true

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Originally Posted by DreadAngel

Sounds alright but isn't great when you drive it...

I didn't like how the 2ZZ-GE had a big huff of nothing nor the feel of the 6spd which didn't feel positive if you get what I mean. I also complain the hardware surrounding this hotted up model isn't up to standard.

I did consider one as a daily but after driving both a stock one and my friend's bolt-on frenzy one, decided it wasn't worth my time. It definitely didn't meet what I want. The car I've got now blows it out of the water and that's before touching it...

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I think I know what you mean about the gearbox abit clunky if you will...engine is great though and may I ask what car have you ended up with.?

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I didn't like how the 2ZZ-GE had a big huff of nothing nor the feel of the 6spd which didn't feel positive if you get what I mean.

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That's what you get if an engine relies just on aggressive cams alone to give peak power and skimp on porting, weight reduction and balancing. :(

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Originally Posted by Webwombat

Interestingly, the inline four-cylinder engine exhibits almost motorcycle-like behaviour (in reference to Yamaha's two-wheeled origins) in the way it develops power and torque, with both attained high in the rev range.

The 1796cc engine, codenamed 2ZZ-GE, was the first naturally aspirated Toyota volume production engine to break the 100 horsepower per litre barrier. Corolla Sportivo is also the first Corolla in Australia in a decade to be fitted with a Toyota G-type engine - or rather, one with a wide included valve angle.

The fiery litte 1.8-litre mill delivers 141kW of power @ 7800rpm, and 180Nm of torque at 6800rpm, which leaves a fairly short powerband of 1000rpm.

The engine is quite a piece of work though, offering infinitely variable inlet timing across the revolution range and providing high-lift for both camshafts when engine revolutions exceed 6000rpm. It's also fitted with a fully balanced crankshaft and thin, lightweight, high-strength connecting rods to reduce reciprocating weight and friction.

Flat-topped pistons with valve clearance cut-outs help towards achieving an 11.5:1 compression ratio, but this also means owners will have to fill up with high-octane fuel, or at least add an octane booster to ULP in order to avoid knock.

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I can't confirm the crankshaft but I can confirm the rods are indeed semi-forged/forged (though I'm not sure what technique or material used).

I've got an AE111... Murders the Sportivo in every aspect you can think of then some o.O

only reason i ask about the facelift is that the older ones dont hold value as well as the facelift ... the facelift model wasnt around for as long so there are less of them ... and they look 100% better but thats personal opinion

mechanically there isnt much difference thats worth notice

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I can't confirm the crankshaft but I can confirm the rods are indeed semi-forged/forged (though I'm not sure what technique or material used).

I've got an AE111... Murders the Sportivo in every aspect you can think of then some o.O

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The crankshaft is balanced on its own, but it is not balanced to the weight of the rod and piston on each cylinder position. The 2ZZ-GE is a mass production engine, without any of the loving care like what the DC2 Type R's engine gets.

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I can't confirm the crankshaft but I can confirm the rods are indeed semi-forged/forged (though I'm not sure what technique or material used).

I've got an AE111... Murders the Sportivo in every aspect you can think of then some o.O

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hmm ae111 blacktop? I had an ae111 and ae101 hence my username and i wasent impressed at all i ended up with a redtop smallport non tvis 4age...so I have to dissagree with you on that