FD2 Sport?? & K20 engines??

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Originally Posted by Sherweeeny

wtf? how fail is this comparison? humour me as to how this is the case? the civic has a semi decent chassis with a semi decent motor. if by cheaper car you mean older, then thanks captain obvious, older cars are cheaper.

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Semi decent is semi decent. Firstly, the car is heavy. That is a major setback for outright acceleration. Even if you coax 140kW ATW out of the engine, it still won't accelerate as quickly as you expect it to because of its weight. This is a car that weighs 1260kg stock.

The next thing is the engine. It is an engine designed for fuel economy and low RPM torque flexibility. You are not going to be able to turn it into a smoking hot motor generating peak torque high at the top of the RPM range without major work. It has VTEC only on the inlet side and even then it is to promote better fuel mixing (12-valve low-cam/16-valve high-cam). Then you start looking at turbo options to push beyond 140kW. You're looking at an aftermarket programmable ECU. This is assuming that there is a solution like the Kpro for the FD2. Last I checked, the FD2 was not on the supported ECU list. So you end up with something like a KPro'd FN2R ECU harnessed to the stock FD2 ECU in order to keep the dashboard and aircon working. Even with this solution, cruise and traction control do not work anymore. So if you were going to go to this level of cost, you should do an engine swap to a K20Z3 or K24A3 instead of cracking open the K20Z2 in the hope of getting it to reach 8500rpm.

I'm not saying that the Civic is a bad car. It is a great car for regular use. But if you are trying to turn it into a track/acceleration monster, there are many hurdles to overcome which will cost so much money that it would be cheaper for TroyS2000 to keep his S2K, get the FD2 Civic and keep it stock compared to modding the FD2 to go as quick as his S2K. I own a CL9 and we have the exact same problem. Great engine, great chassis, extremely heavy car and no way to reliably and cost-effectively push high power numbers to offset the weight (we also have the ECU issue as well).

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Originally Posted by stndrd

I know the owner of the black FD that was shown on the Modproject website and it cost a shit load to convert (as Modproject are not exactly cheap). In a straight line, his FD munches my EG B18C2 but around Winton, for what he has spent putting K20Z4 and coilovers, I have been able to get a comprehensive suspension, brake, tyre/wheel set up and I end up being about 3 sec a lap quicker (yes yes I know some people are going to scream power to weight, but we both have I/H/E and he has RBC or RRC & K-pro). For the money you are going to spend modding a FD chassis, I would personally go and buy an EG/EK, put a K20 or K24 in it, get a nice suspension & brake package happening and you will come out in front dollar wise and time slip wise

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then i'd buy an s13? because it's right wheel drive and turbo?

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Originally Posted by Sherweeeny

I guess you could try taking out all the airbags? Maybe then it would be as light as an EK.

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Not.even.close.
Your civics 1300 odd kg's compared to 1050 and 1100 odd for eg/ek

You can cut the roof open and ripout the engine/tranny/all wirings an it'll still be heavier than a bloody b-swap eg/ek

Whats a stock EK weigh ? 1050-1070kg (only guessing), thats only about 100kg lighter than an FD1, 200kg lighter than an FD2 and about 330kgs lighter than a Euro. So tell me if ya want for 4 doors and a decent boot which has the most potential ????

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Originally Posted by Stevil

Whats a stock EK weigh ? 1050-1070kg (only guessing), thats only about 100kg lighter than an FD1, 200kg lighter than an FD2 and about 330kgs lighter than a Euro. So tell me if ya want for 4 doors and a decent boot which has the most potential ????

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I'm not doubting the potential of the FD2. But it is the cost of reaching that potential which is the issue. There are other cars beyond the Honda range that would better suit the performance 4 door requirement. For straight line, even an Aurion will munch a 140kW FD2 (to match the power to weight ratio, you need a 157kW FD2). This is assuming that the owner does not take it onto a circuit track, where the Civic will corner much better than the Aurion.

It's just that one should not buy the FD2 with the expectation that it will be a high performance sedan.

Aaronng mate Im onside with the fd1 ! I bought fd1 as a cheap work car and to flog on the track, it does both well ! If ya gunna build a 4Dr lighweight cheap trackable modern car then what r th choices ?

Why not just save the hassle and opt for the usual evo/sti/golf r32/r/gti/skyline and silvias

Straight out of the box fun, you can always throw money in there and you'll smile



Modern day cars to mod would be the evo x, sti spec r, golf gti/r
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Originally Posted by Stevil

Aaronng mate Im onside with the fd1 ! I bought fd1 as a cheap work car and to flog on the track, it does both well ! If ya gunna build a 4Dr lighweight cheap trackable modern car then what r th choices ?

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A 2006 FD Civic sport is between 17000-19000 approx
A 2005-2006 WRX is 18000-20000 approx....

Once you started to work on the FD, with the usual K-frank etc etc, you'll be approaching Evo 8/STi prices of comparitive age.

Evo/STI/GTi,Golf R all weigh how much ? Thats right about 1400 kg +, I guess there is a tiny potential for weight loss but with extra diffs and multiple clutches they are alway gunna be heavy.

They all cost a shit loads to service and insure. A 5-6 year old WRX is heavy old smoking time bomb, how much is a quality rebuild of one of these motors. I've been to Wakefield twice last year and I am yet to see either a GTI or an WRX of any sort on the track !! I wonder why ? have seen an R36 wagon and the piece of shit vti wlaked away from it !

Yep plenty of Evo 7/8/9's banging round the track and most I saw were smokey as shit off and on throttle, hell ya'd almost think they were a 2 stroke. The only Evo worth owning would be a VI, perfect blend of power/handling and weight.

My 2011 FD1 was 19.9K drive away, in 3 years mine will be worth 9-10K tops, If I could K24 add a few bolts ons it still gunna be more fun and cheaper than the cars listed. Each to their own I guess.

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Originally Posted by Stevil

Evo/STI/GTi,Golf R all weigh how much ? Thats right about 1400 kg +, I guess there is a tiny potential for weight loss but with extra diffs and multiple clutches they are alway gunna be heavy.

They all cost a shit loads to service and insure. A 5-6 year old WRX is heavy old smoking time bomb, how much is a quality rebuild of one of these motors. I've been to Wakefield twice last year and I am yet to see either a GTI or an WRX of any sort on the track !! I wonder why ? have seen an R36 wagon and the piece of shit vti wlaked away from it !

Yep plenty of Evo 7/8/9's banging round the track and most I saw were smokey as shit off and on throttle, hell ya'd almost think they were a 2 stroke. The only Evo worth owning would be a VI, perfect blend of power/handling and weight.

My 2011 FD1 was 19.9K drive away, in 3 years mine will be worth 9-10K tops, If I could K24 add a few bolts ons it still gunna be more fun and cheaper than the cars listed. Each to their own I guess.

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lmao, wow. the honda fanboy is strong in this one guys

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Originally Posted by Sherweeeny

I guess you could try taking out all the airbags? Maybe then it would be as light as an EK.

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You're not serious..... right?

Fan boys get the fck over it, its a fuel economy civic. The amount you spend on a kswap you could easily buy something that's got more torque and power than your fd. You might aswell put it into a lotus with a frankenstein k and be making more power to weight. I'm just saying that from factory these cars produce better figures. It's more about skill level on track you could be in a shit bomb with good suspension and tackle corners better than others.

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