so the turbo u think would be ok?? last long and safe?
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so the turbo u think would be ok?? last long and safe?
yea turbo would be ok. it'l last long and be safe unless u max it power limits out. but even so.. u can still rebiuld it if something goes wrong
how much does it cost to make a custom manifold? or where would u go to find a good one for say H22A..
the thurbos on those kits have been known to shit themselves as well (the stone racing or XSpower or whatever they are called).
Its just a shite kit overall...you are much better going with Greddy or AVO for example
I say give it a shot, you have got nothing to loose... you can always rebuild
Clarkey
ummmmmm except MONEY and TIME:rolleyes: . to invest this amount of money into something you arent sure of isnt my idea of 'you have nothing to lose'.Quote:
Originally Posted by RUDEF2
That turbo looks pretty small but that just helps in the low spool up time.
Another thing that isnt mentioned in these kits are fuel injectors...and fuel pump replacements.
I know its hard but i dont think you can turbo a honda for cheap...just end up paying more later on when problems pop up.
A custom manifold shouldnt cost more then 6-800 dollars to make up. Best to find an exhaust shop that has done it before though so you dont end up paying for there "first one".
Realistically....your looking at about 6-8grand to turbo the car properly.
yeh i was budgeting about that much too realistically. another question, if i was still planning to run standard internals, would i need a bigger fuel rail to handle the extra fuel required or is just injectors enough? How much power is the standard fuel rail for basically
Nah I think I can turbo a car nicely for 4-5kish.... just dont have that kinda $$ lying around at the moment :(
If you dont want to get bigger injectors (bad idea) :P you can get around it by installing a fuel pressure regulator. How it works is that for say every pound of boost that comes into the engine, it raises the fuel pressure accordingly. A bit of a band aid solution but it would do for the short term.
Realistically you dont want to run your injectors at more then 80-85 percent duty cycle, any more and it may shorten the life of the injector considerably and you also run the risk of running out of fuel and blowing up or severly damaging the engine.
As for turboing a honda for 4-5 k.....yes if you can get the parts cheap enough and you do most of the labour yourself.
Heres the prices of items i know
power fc 1k
intercooler 3-400 dollars ( cheap china hybrid copy)
piping 3-400 dollars...maybe more if you go stainless or aluminium.
bov -100-200 dollars
fuel pump 200-300 dollars
injectors 7-900 dollars or fpr 300 dollars
tuning 600-1000 dollars depending on the skill of the tuner.
boost controller - bleed valve or ebc 100 vs 6-700 dollars
manifold 3-600 dollars
turbo at least 1200 dollars brand new....2nd hand? ive seen T25's for 300 dollars......but how long would it last? luck of the draw.
exaust system 600 bucks..mild steel
hi flow cat 200-300 bucks
then you have the odd bits and ends....gaskets/seals/ etc etc budget another 200 ?
there you go....have i missed anything?
All up around 7500? and thats just the parts!! the labour which is hmmmm around 60-80 dollars per/hour
So really....4-5 grand.....i think thats very difficult to do...not impossible but still....you get the idea
ok back to those ebay kits... so u guys reckon.. the only real issues would be are the MANIFOLD and possibly the TURBO... the rest of the bits should be fairly ok??
ssac/stone mountain racing/xs power kits are complete crap. the manifolds are made from subpar material, there is no bracing, the condensor design is horrible, etc. The turbos, which are listed as a t3/t04 is actually much smaller, a lot of the time come from the factory unbalanced, and there have been some which have the compressor section of the turbo literally epoxied together... I don't know who came up with the idea to epoxy a turbo housing together, but it doesn't work. Their downpipes, which are listed as 2.5" usually show up being way less(closer to 2"), etc. The wastegates they use are actually not half bad... after you swap the spring out for a tial(they rarely come with the correct psi spring that they're listed as), and you've disassembled to whole thing, loctited all of the studs, and retorqued everything. If you want to spend the money only to have to redo everything in a month or two, go for it, but they're utter crap.
As for the cost of turboing a honda, it can be done quite inexpensively. I'm from the states, where my first turbo set up I did cost me around AU$1200. I've done a turbo install event for the UK del sol folks, where the cost ended up around AU$3000. That included a complete parts set up(stainless log manifold, t3 60 trim turbo, pipes, 450cc injectors, 36" x6" core front mount intercooler, chipped ecu, etc), shipping of all the parts to the UK from the states, and the cost for me to fly out there and stay, install the parts, and street tune each ecu for each car to 10 psi, etc. All the parts were brand new except for the turbo which was basically a remanufactured housing with a brand new center section from garrett.
Defientely run bigger injectors with a turbo set up. Running a boost dependent fmu is a bad idea. It gets the job done, but it can't be tuned at all, so you're really flying blind. You get no ignition control, so you're far more likely to detonate and blow your engine. Running much higher fuel pressure(if you were to run an fmu at 8 psi of boost, you're running about 140psi of fuel pressure for a system designed for closer to 40(4oish psi base fuel pressure + 12 psi increase per pound of boost) runs a significant risk of causing injector failure... which means blown engine. It's not worth the risk.
obviously this doesn't include some costs, like an exhaust system/high flow cat as listed above, but it includes everything needed to reliabily convert the car over to forced induction.