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10-10-2005, 11:06 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by yfin

Tknova - how are things looking with the -2.5 camber in terms of tyre wear? That is about what mine is running now. A Honda mechanic at Honda north in Perth told me to wait on a camber kit (but to double check the toe is right).

Well, running on 19 inch tires doesn't help tire wear compared to running on stock 16 inch tires. Bigger/low profile tires will always wear alot faster.

But, i've done 8,000 km's on the rear tires since the kit was installed & the wear is very minimal! I am very suppriesed on how well that the tires are wearing!

The biggest improvement is the toe. Was running +2.7 in toe ar the rear.
But the fulcrum camber kit correct toe & camber. Now i'm running 0 toe

Front suspension doesn't need a camber/toe kit at all. Can ajust everything through factory settings.
10-10-2005, 11:08 PM
euro77

That's correct, you don't need to change anything for the front when lowering. Only the back you'll have problems with camber & toe.

Why don't you go 0 camber, or -0.5 to -1.0 camber, so that your tyre wear can be more even? Will it scrub the guard if going lower than -2.5 camber?
10-10-2005, 11:10 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by euro77

That's correct, you don't need to change anything for the front when lowering. Only the back you'll have problems with camber & toe.

Why don't you go 0 camber, or -0.5 to -1.0 camber, so that your tyre wear can be more even? Will it scrub the guard if going lower than -2.5 camber?

I'd love to run -1 at the rear but i can't.

The fulcrum kit only allows -2 or +2 camber ajustment.

So at a stock -4.5 camber i can only get a maxium ajustment of -2 so i get a camber reading now of -2.5

And if the camber was running any more positive at the rear i think i would probaly get some guard scrapping issues.
10-10-2005, 11:12 PM
yfin

Because it is wishbone at the front the camber doesn't change when lowering. The toe is adjustable at the rear too - how much I don't know - mine was in spec with the 30mm drop or so. I can't see any rear wear on my tyres either - done about 1500kms since lowering. Fingers crossed I can save myself a camber kit. Maybe it is because I hardly ever carry rear seat passengers - if I carried a heavy load at the rear I am sure the rear tyres would wear much more due to the increased camber (prob over -3 with heavy load).
10-10-2005, 11:16 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by yfin

Because it is wishbone at the front the camber doesn't change when lowering. The toe is adjustable at the rear too - how much I don't know - mine was in spec with the 30mm drop or so. I can't see any rear wear on my tyres either - done about 1500kms since lowering. Fingers crossed I can save myself a camber kit. Maybe it is because I hardly ever carry rear seat passengers - if I carried a heavy load at the rear I am sure the rear tyres would wear much more due to the increased camber (prob over -3 with heavy load).

Your toe is probaly in spec by a computer satisfaction, but i doubt by yours. I bet if you goto the rear of your car & look down at the wheel standing up you will see alot of positve toe which also means excess drag, excess fuel consumption snd ofcource increased tire wear :( and with positive tow, it also can induce roll off oversteer.

A camber kit is pretty cheaps for what it does, in your case correct toe & camber and save your bushes, linkages & ect. And your rear wheel will track straight.
10-10-2005, 11:20 PM
TwEigh

Tknova -235/35/19 for front and back?
or you put less wide tyre on the front?
10-10-2005, 11:21 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by TwEigh

Tknova -235/35/19 for front and back?
or you put less wide tyre on the front?

235/35/19 all round :) don't see why i need to run two different sizes?
10-10-2005, 11:22 PM
yfin

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Originally Posted by tknova

Your toe is probaly in spec by a computer satisfaction, but i doubt by yours. I bet if you goto the rear of your car & look down at the wheel standing up you will see alot of positve toe which also means excess drag, excess fuel consumption snd ofcource increased tire wear :( and with positive tow, it also can induce roll off oversteer.
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Typo in my previous post - I am running -2.1 and -2.2. Not sure what you mean by toe problem - the car is within the Honda specs so what do you want them to adjust?
10-10-2005, 11:23 PM
Ferrarista

Ive droped my car 2' at the back and running on 8' wide tyres, do i need a camber kit? I wouldnt have a clue on these things
10-10-2005, 11:24 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by yfin

Typo in my previous post - I am running -2.1 and -2.2. Not sure what you mean by toe problem - the car is within the Honda specs so what do you want them to adjust?

Your probaly right now that i think about it... But, a camber kit will get you perfect toe & camber. :D
10-10-2005, 11:25 PM
tknova

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Originally Posted by Ferrarista

Ive droped my car 2' at the back and running on 8' wide tyres, do i need a camber kit? I wouldnt have a clue on these things

If you have noticable wear on the inside of your tires it would be a good idea so you don't chew through em.
10-10-2005, 11:28 PM
Ferrarista

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Originally Posted by tknova

If you have noticable wear on the inside of your tires it would be a good idea so you don't chew through em.

How much did it set u back? And where would you get it done?
Thanks

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