I wasn't 100% sure it was the Viggen... anyway - I found the episode - it was Top Gear 9/11/2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by baboo
The car was the Saab 9-5 - only 250hp - it was 2nd gear 40-70mph--- they say quicker than Porsche 911 Turbo.
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I wasn't 100% sure it was the Viggen... anyway - I found the episode - it was Top Gear 9/11/2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by baboo
The car was the Saab 9-5 - only 250hp - it was 2nd gear 40-70mph--- they say quicker than Porsche 911 Turbo.
um.. what about those turbo charged version of Mazda 6 they are about to debut in Australia? think they are targeted with the liberty GTs ey?
I know it's abit late.. but the discussion could have continued from here instead of starting a new one :)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3910
My brother in law has a Liberty GT Auto Wagon...granted that it is probably the slowest derivative of the Liberty GT but rolling acceleration is not that much better than my Euro 5AT! The GT cops turbo lag and sort of bogs itself down before taking off (4wd in action!) whereas the Euro has immediate response (probably due to Honda's drive by wire system).
When you consider the GT has 190Kw and 330Nm of torgue compared to Euro's 140kw and 220Nm, I think it just means that the Euro transfers its power to the wheels better than a ot of other cars.
Having said that, the GT is a good 15K more expensive than my Euro Lux and you dont get much more for your money (it has a pretty good McIntosh sound system, but not leaps and bounds better than the stock Euro system, and also a HUGE sunroof, but Euro has heated seats, rain sensors, HID, steering wheel controls, and no red console lights!!!).
I took a new Maxda6 for a test drive last night. I've got to say that engine was a lot more punchy than I expected. The new drive by wire is excellent -- brilliant throttle response and not jerky at all. The new 6 speed gear box is really tight (and pretty well identical to the Euro's ratios). The steering is really precise.
Unfortunately the Honda yard was closed, so I couldn't drive a Euro straight after (it's a while since I drove one) -- but from memory, it felt like the Mazda might actually have more torque low down, but the Euro gets more grunty and responsive further up the rev range.
Overall, I think the Euro is built and finished with slightly nicer materials -- the interior in the Mazda looks and feels a bit too plastic, and I think the Euro's leather is nicer. The Mazda is still a very nice car though.
My wife seems to feel that the Mazda is more sporty, whereas the Euro is more luxurious.
I'm going to go and drive a Liberty next week. However, I'm fairly sure my heart (and head) is set on the Euro; I think there'd always be that part of me that would wish I had bought one if I bought something else. I like to check out all the options though...
hmm interesting tobster
me personally, i dont like the look of the mazda 6 anymore
sure it was a breath of fresh air from mazda when it first came out, but now to me it seems like the design is lacking somewhat.....i dunno...refinement perhaps?
everytime i look at it, the appeal of it is less and less for me. i guess u can say im "bored" of the look of the mazda6. whereas with the euro (trust me i know this seems biased as i own and drive a euro, but many pple i talk to tend to agree somewhat) the design is still pretty fresh and it doesnt seem like so much of an eyesore as compared to the 6.
i read somewhere in a mag where they were comparing mazda6 vs the euro (yes it has been done to death) but i distinctly remember the editor writing in that mag "get the mazda6 if u want cool crisp design than will tend to become less and less attractive overtime". although this is one persons opinion, (and in no way am i flaming mazda6 owners) i just think overall, the euro has more class, refinement, luxury and creature comforts as compared to the mazda.
heheh let the flaming begin :D
The rear of the Euro beats the 6 pants down. The front however is up to personal preference. I like the 6 with the body kit. It can almost match the Euro, but the Euro still wins because of the aggressive front look.
When I first started looking around for a new car I was talking to our electrician at work about the 6 and the Euro and he said "Yeah, the 6 looks good but it won't age very well". This was about 2 years ago and i'd have to agree with him. To my eyes the only good looking 6 is the hatch, but only if it's got a bodykit.Quote:
"get the mazda6 if u want cool crisp design than will tend to become less and less attractive overtime".
Here's my 2 cents worth (and I currently drive a Commodore but am in the hunt for a vehicle in this Euro, 6, Liberty class).
Euro - well finished car with all the bells and whistles, and more grunt than Liberty and 6. Tacky woodgrain lets down the ivory interior. Didn't like the jerky kick coming off the accelerator in the auto I test drove. Also noticed a lot of road noise coming into the cabin on my test drive. Brakes were great.
Mazda 6 - honestly, it looks like an overweight sports car. The interior is very plasticey (if that's even a word) and will date. I think the same thing about the mazda 3. Even more fat. I just don't rate the Mazda's.
Liberty - nice car but there's just something about the exterior that I don't like. I think there's a difference in appearance between the paint on the panels versus the plastic bumpers. Also I dislike the way the bottom of the front and rear bumpers hug/curve in. It doesn't give the car a nice stance.
Vectra - I refuse to pay that much for a car that is badged like a commodore.
So the Euro gets my tick out of these. But in the back of my mind I wouldn't mind seeing what the new VE SS with the Gen IV is like due out next year. Fuel prices put me off though.
How is the fuel consumption on the new 3.8 V6 Alloytecs? They seem impressive specs-wise, especially the one that is used in the SV6. Since it has DOHC now, there should be a good spread of torque over the older flat-ish V6 (had one,VX executive, for a loaner car before and was terrible).
Two things Holden need to do with the new model:
1) New shape - that's a given.
2) Refine that V6 engine. Apparently it still vibrates like hell at high revs. From a few motoring reports I've read, it's the old but refined over the years suspension and trans that are making up for the poor engine. XR6T was my weapon of choice over the current Commodore however the BA/BF looks tired. Plus I've never really liked Fords. Exposed phillips head screws in centre consoles don't it for me. It's the one percenters that count.
So it's time to spoil myself with a Euro I think.
hmm, true about the mazda interior, we got a base model 3 as well, very cheapy feel to it. everything is a cheap plastic, from the handbrake, steering wheel to the door panels and the middle console, wheras in the euro, all these parts are leather wrapped, or made of a softer material.
ps: 3 has no balls at all :p, but at least they got it right with the triptronic, down is +, and up is -