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Originally Posted by egSi
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Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
finally i think the conclusion is got the Honda - well DERR we belong to a Honda forum, post this question up on toymods and see what they say.
its hard to find a 20valve corolla... most times u'll hav to do an engine swap to get one
guess the same could be said about vtec engines.. mainly the b16Quote:
Originally Posted by egads
so your overall verdict is.... go the civic vti, if u can afford it go a teg vtir, if u can find a 20v maybe take a look at it, but i wouldnt waste time with a 16v? hows that sound????
how about the si? twincam, though no "vtec" its still a tight package! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 2NTICN
So which one are more cost effective?
Cheap corolla SX + 20V BT or cheap EK4 + engine work?
There is nothing wrong with 16V 4A-GE..... my whole debate behind the two is look at an EG from 94 then look at a corolla from 90. Most corollas from that age have had a pretty hard life and it usually shows in the body work.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2NTICN
spoondc2 "So which one are more cost effective?
Cheap corolla SX + 20V BT or cheap EK4 + engine work?"
Cost effective will be corolla with 20V..... if I was going the 20V in a corolla, I would try to source a AE82 "Twinky" as opposed to a AE92. "Twinky" in Australia originally came with a 88kw 4A-GE.... very good for its time for a 1.6 in the mid 80's.
The AE92 SX and GTi all had the 4A-GE Redtop which was 100kw (claimed). They are a very strong motor and will put up with a fair bit of abuse..... just look out for the usual tell tail signs of some young dickhead having owned it with the engine being bit tired and the gearbox well worn due to misuse and no regular servicing. Bodies on these corollas (AE82 and AE92) are getting quite long in the tooth also.
ok ok.. since i've had both cars and motors ill be best to tell you the difference..
i had a 20v rolla seca SX.. pretty much stock and it went alright.. it was the blacktop 20v.. im assuming your buying the silvertop.
power wise the car go's alirght (stokc form), thats if you have the shorter ratio gear's.. if not your going to be revvin the car for ages to hit your rev limiter (8.2k silvertop, 8.5k blacktop)... that fact that the car has VVT makes it a smooth motor.
After some mods the car really starts to boggy.. aftermarket ecu, full exhaust, internal work and hello "Is that tacho reading 11k???" i know ive finished building a worked silvertop 20v. 0.5mm oversized piston's, newrings, new bottom end bearings, shoot-pinned and linished crank, metal head gasket, 320duration inlet cam 272degree exhaust side, custom adjustable cam gears that with inconjunction with VVT, heads been reshimmed, valves re-clipped, mild port n polish head and would be all tuned by a microtech computer...
As for the D15B motor/VTI car.. handled like a gun! power wise, not really that great.. even though i had a larger cam, exhaust and CAI.. what made the car seem fast was that it was light, and did i mention it handles as if on rails...
I would prefer the car too have a shorter ratio gearbox that uses that sweet VTEC sound..
either way it comes down to personal likes and dislikes...
i think acutally the 20v silvertop motor only make 105-110kws and the blacktop 110-115kws... Toyota quotes 120kws but since the motors aren't fresh from the factory you will see loses.
my own advice the 20v is the better of the 2 motors since it has more torque.. however the EG civic is better in the looks department.... The corollas shape seems too out dated.
and just to get some clarification...
the 20v motor was never introduced/installed to the Austraian corolla engine bays..
these motor were only avaliable in the AE101/AE111 levin and onwards..