MIVEC vs VTEC

and did u kno honda copied the double vanos system
bmw had this system way before honda had anything
honda jus poured millions of dollars into it to patent it and make it cost effective
so what u guys really are driving is rip off versions of bmw

the reason why honda stayed NA was the owner's son died in an accident and therefore the owner decided to make safer cars = no turbo
and the K20A was

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

the EJ20s i feel are overrated, as different and good as they seem, their associated gear box and clutch problems jus beg to differ (cept with newer models)
and imho horizontally opposed engines mechanics find are a bitch to work on
i mean have u looked at a rex engine, omg spaghetti everywhere, wtf is that, its a 4 leg octopus

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hahaha.. yeah i know what you mean.. but we're talking about reliably built engines.
i wasn't talking about gearbox and clutches etc.. that's just opening a whole new can of worms.. lol
along the time lines... EJ20 has withstanded a better rating worldwide over the 4G63..
but i agree about it being a b*tch to work on.. as i've owned a 4G63 and a EJ20 equipped car.
i think we should move this other portion of the topic to a different topic.
what do you think mods?

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

and did u kno honda copied the double vanos system
bmw had this system way before honda had anything
honda jus poured millions of dollars into it to patent it and make it cost effective
so what u guys really are driving is rip off versions of bmw

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in the end..
each idea has been taken and influenced in their own way..
guess it's up to who develops a better concept.
in this topic i still believe that Honda have provided better goods...
when comparing the N/A VTEC and N/A MIVEC engines...

yeha but the thing with EJ20s, they are marketed way more than the 4g63s, that is why more people recognise it with the wrx than the evo.

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Originally Posted by Surrufus

wondering which car would perform better:
Mitsubishi Mirage with 1.8L DOHC MIVEC eninge
Honda Civic with B18C (1.8L DOHC VTEC)
if both are tuned and modified to similar levels

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wtf is a 1.8 mivec
no such thing
mitsu only made 1.6 mivec
1.6 mivec vs 1.6 vtec
mivec had more power, much better on the dyno and more reliable
tappets problem also happens with hondas aswell
jus not as loud as the mitsus

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

yeha but the thing with EJ20s, they are marketed way more than the 4g63s, that is why more people recognise it with the wrx than the evo.

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that's another different issue though.. that's marketing.

those who actually have done the testing have done the testing specifically towards the two engines.

there are pros and cons as i said with both.. however in the end, from first gen to current
comparing EJ20 and 4G63.. check the reviews and results.
if i can find that full documentary i'll post it up here.....

this debate will always be about "biase" as people each have their own interpretation.

hopefully people will see statistics and results over their own opinion.

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

mivec had more power, much better on the dyno and more reliable
tappets problem also happens with hondas aswell
jus not as load as the mitsus

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yeah problem with hondas as well.. as with any car..
however as i said, it's been a reported problem for many generations now.
still an issue.. and as you said "not as load as the mitsus".. (I assume that you mean lot)
so yeah i get what you mean..
but then therefore that conclusion leads back to the initial topic.
i believe vtec engines would perform better over the mivec due to more improvements with their engines.
the results have shown they have been more reliable in most aspects...

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Originally Posted by [R]

that's another different issue though.. that's marketing.

those who actually have done the testing have done the testing specifically towards the two engines.

there are pros and cons as i said with both.. however in the end, from first gen to current
comparing EJ20 and 4G63.. check the reviews and results.
if i can find that full documentary i'll post it up here.....

this debate will always be about "biase" as people each have their own interpretation.

hopefully people will see statistics and results over their own opinion.

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well from what i have seen with earlier rexs, reliability factor aint great. It really depends on what the person likes. sure the rex burble might sound great but i get sick of it. Evo has handling, the engine is quite strong but crank shafts are weak when it comes to chasing big power. Personally i would rather an EVO. They are so much rarer here and you get the variants like Fq400 etc even tho they are jus pretty much aftermarket modified evos on warranty

if SUburu was game they would compete and make rexs come with aftermarket parts and still have the car under warranty but they wont do that cos they kno there will be problems.

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

wtf is a 1.8 mivec
no such thing
mitsu only made 1.6 mivec
1.6 mivec vs 1.6 vtec
mivec had more power, much better on the dyno and more reliable
tappets problem also happens with hondas aswell
jus not as load as the mitsus

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whoops lol
its a 1.6L MIVEC
and a 1.8L turbo
MY BAD :o

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Originally Posted by V8_Hero

wtf is a 1.8 mivec
no such thing
mitsu only made 1.6 mivec
1.6 mivec vs 1.6 vtec
mivec had more power, much better on the dyno and more reliable
tappets problem also happens with hondas aswell
jus not as load as the mitsus

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lol i was thinking to myself for a second aswell, when did mitsubishi make a 1.8mivec...
i do remember reading somewhere that the 1.6 mivec was a better built engine compared to the 1.6 vtec. but the 1.8vtec (type r engine) was the best engine from honda. dont really think the k20a was as good as the b18c IMO. but yes, back to the topic, EJ20 engines arent as strong as the 4G63 and the SR20. :D

what would be interesting is an evo with an ej20 and a rex with 4g63
now that would be controversial