VTi-R Teg or VTi-R Lude - What to buy?

yeh.. tyres, uphill, good grip off the line.. wotever.. "faster" perhaps?? haha..

anyways.. my point was rather, if u have trouble with a gsi.. how can a lude be faster than a dc2vtir by a 'nice margin'..

btw, didnt the lude lose against the n15 SSS as well? :D that car doesnt have any special tyres...

surely a vtir teg can beat an n15 SSS..

i'm not trying to start an argument, just wanna lay down some facts to help Chronos make the right decision.. anyways.. looks like hes made it now, gl with finding a dc2vtir dude :)

OoOoOo
O i wanna start an argument!!!!!!

*up hill*.... pfffft *bs(bridgestone) gridIIIs*...... great excuses mate!!!

how about u suck and hes faster?! if u wanna make BS excuses, prepare to cop flack brother!

tegvtir vs ludevtir, u won.. but u lost......
teggsi vs ludevtir, u lost
teggsi vs n15SSS, gsi wins
ludevtir vs n15SSS, SSS wins.....

so now add that all up.... i think ur lude aint looking too good.

dont give bs excuses brother, to try and save face or whatever, cos ur jsut embarassing urself ;)

brother chronos, lets just put it up to what it really is, its the driver, that being you. get what ud be happy with, and work on ur driving ;) gl finding ur dc2vtir.... dam great cars, i should know.

actually, i do remember an edition of wheels, from like 8 years ago ;)
-giant handling test with mark skaife piloting various cars around EC. from what i can remember, the 4gen prelude vti-r was the only fwd he got to go around the track in under 2 mins. the integra vti-r managed it in around 2:02 secs.

so i'd say that stock for stock the 4th gen vti-r lude is a better car. i don't know about once you start getting into mods though. firstly, the prelude is pretty darn porky- and 200 odd kg or whatever it is, is a helluva lot of dead weight to be hustling around. and secondly, the stock suspension in the integra vti-r's is woefully inadequate; swaybar too thin, springs too soft, underdamped. it all adds up to a car that has horrible issues with diving under brakes, squatting during acceleration and very, very poor control of lateral body movements.

i've never really warmed to the looks of the the 5th gen 'ludes. 4th gen ones are drop dead sexy though. as i've said many times before ;)


either way, the cars are pretty decent.

stop trying to justify it slim
hahahahha
so wat car do u drive?

is that a teg i hear!?!?
bahahhaha

truth hurts :P

Hmm... Fair enough. I didn't know that the DC2 teg had suspension problems. Good thing is that it can all be fixed with some upgraded parts. While the ludes extra weight cannot be fixed :(.

Regarding a 200,000km service, what has to be replaced? Other than timing belt, water pump, camshaft seals, splugs and fuel filter? How much will this service set me back? Has anyone performed this service at say Hanny's, on their VTi-R teg? How much did it cost you?

What im basicly asking: is 180,000km's too much for a VTi-R teg? How much will performance suffer due to the high km's? Is it better to have an older car (say 1994) with less km's (say 120,000) than to have a newer car with 180,000km's? What's the biggest killer of the VTi-R teg (or any honda)? KM's or time?

Thanks again everyone.

in my amateur experience, i'd say neglect is the biggest killer. the cars are well engineered and (generally) screwed together pretty well.
the service you mentioned cost me about 650 at hanny's. which is pretty damn reasonable imo.

age/km are not as important as both the superficial and running condition. it'd be worth taking the car to get checked out before signing on the dotted line though.

my '94 car has 170k km on it and is still going strong. barely uses up any oil- maybe 200ml/5000km... only issues are from my mods, which is my own fault really.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chronos

Hmm... Fair enough. I didn't know that the DC2 teg had suspension problems. Good thing is that it can all be fixed with some upgraded parts. While the ludes extra weight cannot be fixed :(.

Regarding a 200,000km service, what has to be replaced? Other than timing belt, water pump, camshaft seals, splugs and fuel filter? How much will this service set me back? Has anyone performed this service at say Hanny's, on their VTi-R teg? How much did it cost you?

What im basicly asking: is 180,000km's too much for a VTi-R teg? How much will performance suffer due to the high km's? Is it better to have an older car (say 1994) with less km's (say 120,000) than to have a newer car with 180,000km's? What's the biggest killer of the VTi-R teg (or any honda)? KM's or time?

Thanks again everyone.

---

The re-sale value killer of any car = high kms
Try to find a VTiR TEG with less Kms. Less kms, the better!!! DON'T RUSH YOUR SELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suspension fix for a VTiR Teg = Eibach PRO KIT lowered springs. ~ $500.00
Been there............done that.................... 8) 8) 8)

if you want to take it past the level of a stock r, then you'll need shocks, springs, sway bar amongst other tweaks.

works well though, i must say ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ginganggooly

if you want to take it past the level of a stock r, then you'll need shocks, springs, sway bar amongst other tweaks.

works well though, i must say ;)

---

i'm with that
but i rather coilovers than springs/shocks
other things are tie bar, strut bar, c-pillar bar...

mmmm coilovers. nice and shiny! :)

wish i had the dough. but they're like 3k for anything meaningful.

Sorry to revive this thread again, but i have one more question.

What did Honda change on the VTi-R teg from the first series DC2 (1994-1996) to the second series (1997+)? I noticed that the front bar was slightly modified. Anything else?

Thanks again guys. :)