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What I said was rollcages key design is safety and protection :thumbsup: - handling whether good or bad after is another thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kOncept
I have been passenger in a dodgy Yaris and a couple of other "performance" ( ie riced up cars) in Japan and by gosh the full roll cage didnt absoutley nothing for the way the thing cornered ! Felt even more like a bus than usual. As I said included before there are much more effective things to do before getting a roll cage.
ben: yeah was probably incorrectly designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kOncept
I go and get some sleep:D ......haha i wonder how many more post will be tomorrow night...:)
they where " off the shelf" items ( similar to thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by kOncept
half cage" ones but with dodgy welding - i guess the cars owner did it in his back yard) - but the massive "icky" factor was it was on chopped springs and stock everything else ( plus hideous bodykits). Not fun at all lol.
Well in that case you can't exactly blame the roll cage for that!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
But I gotta agree with slowGSR's post. It depends alot on the rollcage and which points in the car it is fitted to in order to increase body stiffness.
But I still disagree with your statement ben that a roll cage does nothing for handling. A properly build and installed roll cage will stiffen the body and reduce flex. But if you want handling only.......then yes, go for sway bars / strut bars as a cheaper more legal option.
EDIT: Typo!
i think everyone thinks/saying the same thing
Roll cages are deisgned for safelty.
but for performance
Regardless of how dodgey the design is.. it would still be better than not having it. (Might slow you torqueless wonder down in the str8 though)
Regardless of where its mounted it would strengthen something.. it would atleast reduce flex in the floor pan. and possibiliy a/b/c pilliars and maybe roof and strut tops depending on how its mounted in the vehicle......
Integrated Roll cages are more purposeful. Bolt in cages at the wrong point does little...(Ill say little... I dont agree on people saying it does nothing or makes handling worst... [with decent power and complementing suspension components])
Feasilbility of cost and legality makes the roll cage a bad choice using it as a bfyb suspension mod.
If it does nothing for handling why do ppl buy C-pillar braces?, strut braces etc, if reducing flex does nothing for handling?Quote:
Originally Posted by wynode
A roll cage has to improve handling to some extent through reducing flex, so long as your tyres/suspension are up to the task of handling the additional force being put through them, although i agree though, sway bars and strut braces will do a more cost effective job for a primarily street car.
Sorry I meant to say I disagree with ben's statement LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Hondavirgin
For a street car dont worry about a roll cage. Its very excessive for only street use. But if you are building the car for track then defiently get one.
Their primary use is for safety, but a well designed roll cage will defeintly be a advantage with handling. The stiffer the chassis the better.
But remember that if you do add a roll cage you will need to play around with your suspension a lot more. As it changes the way your car will handle and act, not much you can buy off the shelf for your car will be right anymore. You will need to experiement with different swaybar sizes, different spring rates, damper rates, etc.. to get it right.
Unless you are dedicated to track don't bother.
But roll cages defiently are a advantage to handling. You just need a well designed roll cage (which is attatched to the chassis at various points, not just at the bottom), and dont bother with the off the shelf items (eg. cusco), they are for looks, and dont do all that much. And remember you will need to setup your suspension right to take advantage of the extra stiffness of the chassis.
Its ROLL cage. Not HANDLE cage :)
TBH, without being bothered to explain, dont get a roll cage for street use. Get a set of good shocks/springs/swaybars/strut bars/cross bars (links seatbelt anchors).
With a cage, you will get reemed by cops.
ekslut is right, a cage will screw with your car heaps, so dont finish with a cage after suspension, get a cage, then work suspension, but as before, dont bother. For 3k, you will get
They are called a roll cage because that is what they were first designed for (driver safety); after they were built then people started realising the potential it could strengthen the chassis and car body. Also those Yaris rubbish Ben went in, wtf you just said they had cut springs, of course a cage will not help that, that car should be in a ditch.
However why would you really want a roll cage? Even before thinking of a roll cage you should have already updated to after market springs and swaybars which is a great first step, then update to fully adjustable coilovers, the next step would be to think about a C pillar bar or even a B pillar bar. Then if you are really serious go a cage.
Cages, seem welding, and putting foam urethane reinforcement into any hollow parts is also other ways on strengthening your vehicles chassis. If this weren’t a proven and tested way to fix the flex in the chassis why would JUN do it to their dc5 umm??? Any one of these are excellent ways to help improve chassis stiffness, however for the perfect balance to improve handling there is a limit to how stiff you want the chassis the use of a properly designed roll cage would not exceed this limit.
I think some of you should really be quiet when posting, what cars (not just Hondas) have you ever been in with a properly designed cage that is welded to the chassis? Not some rubbish mild steel or aluminum rubbish you found at cash converters.
a few of my mates have full chromemolly????? or how ever u spell it cages, went for a ride in one dam the chassie feels stiff.