[EURO] 1st service, no oil change?

Yup. At Courtney & Patterson I may add. Want the official stuff to protect warrantee.

Fair enuf. I usually buy the honda oil from a dealer and change it myself - costs me $30 all up :)

There is absolutely NO justification for a dealer to refuse to do what an owner tells them to do at a service.

Even if it's the first service and that means it's labour free.

$150 for a 1000km service for $40 FEO oil means you're being ripped off. $150 for a 10000km service ... that's kind of tolerable :P

I would strongly recommend you not to go to the same dealer again for servicing, even if they are the dealer you purchased from. If they're trying to profit outrageously from you at the very beginning, they will continue to do so and I wouldn't trust them to service my car. As it means they could be likely compromising their service standards. There are reputable Honda dealers out there and as long as they use Honda genuine parts, your car is still under warranty + you still get a stamp in your logbook.

I suppose my Honda Euro Sport was technically built in Jan 06. Check your logbook - if it says oil change, they must do it as it's there in writing. If they stamped that page without doing it, then that logbook isn't true anymore is it?

The only reason I can think of for not doing an oil change at 1000km is:
1. To save money
2. They may have changed the oil the car has come with to something that lasts longer.

I am still going to have my oil + filter changed at 1000km (done) and 5000km. Heck, my oil is already got a black tinge to it and it's only done 1500km since the last change!

lol, colour of oil means nothing, actually if ur oil is dark, it means ur using good quality oil, becoz its doing wot its meant to, to clean ur motor. manufacturers such as nissan, mitsubishi, toyota and vw all have first oil change set at 10000 or 15000 as specified by the manufacturer.
at the end of the day, read ur book, if it illiterate, ask a honda service department worker to read it with u to further understand wot needs to be done.

Yup, oil colour doesn't mean it is breaking down. It means that the carbon formed from combustion is being removed by the oil. So it is a good thing.

And I agree, service at a different dealer.

I was wondering out the back of my local honda spare parts department trying to explain to the guy what part I needed, when up on the wall I saw a sign saying...

No oil or oil filter change on all 2006+ Civic, Euro, CRV or Jazz, I was a little shocked.

Also worth mentioning above one of the guys computer was another printout of a personal joke they must have between them saying...
"We give out amazing Articulate, detailed and specific information regarding the part you need via interperating your unintellagble, illierate and ignorant descriptions of the part"

I was like thats the complete oppisite of what I find with all Spare part personal. they give out stupid, incorrect and illeterate information regarding my extremely detailed and accurate discription of the part I need.

Me - I need 4 Injector O-Ring seals off a B16a2 engine from a 1996 EK4 Civic.

THem - errrrr, whats the vin number?, ummmmm is that 3 door?, ahhhh you said civic, are you sure its a 1996. That doesnt exist, ahhhhhh ummm hang on.......

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SM,

Honestly, Courtney and Patterson do have great service and prices. I have been servicing my car there for both 10 and 20k service. Infact just booked in my 30k service for next month.

Can you clarify where did you do your first service? Also is $150 just for an oil change or Courtney and Patterson list some other stuff on the invoice.

Aaron

Well my 06 Euro had its oil changed at the 1,000 km service and was only charged for the oil. How do I know it was changed for certain ? Because we changed the oil and the filter at 6,000 ourselves. We removed the "plastic engine cover thing" just to see what was all about (nothing as far as we can tell) and found oil spilled down the front of the engine from their effort :thumbdwn:.

So ^__^ SM ^__^, it sounds like your dealer is someone to be avoided.

BTW the Honda recommended interval for the filter is 20,000 km :eek:. I think this is part of a plan to ensure the thing wears out, or at least feels worn out, sooner so people will buy their next new car sooner. All the makes are doing this sort of thing so Honda are no worse than anybody else.

Edit: Read the post again in more closely and noticed the part that said "... all honda vehicle produced after feb 06 has a special running in oil ..." and since mine was made before that it doesn't apply. Still don't like the idea of 10,000 and 20,000 km intervals on oil changes and oil filters respectively. If you do the extra ones yourself I regard it as cheap insurance.

I rang up Honda again but they read to me quote:

"with introduction of new civic this year, all honda vehicle produced after feb 06 has a special running in oil that should not be changed until 10,000km"


that's what the lady on the phone told me. I even mentioned to her about the metal bits coming off from the new engine and she said that Honda added some new stuff to the oil to prevent any damage.

Now I'm paranoid about changing oil when I am meant NOT to. LOL!!

The added "stuff" is molybdenum. The TSX has the same 6000-7000mile first service, and someone did an oil analysis and it had more molybdenum over the other oils.

lol dont worry about it.
Changing the running-in oil after 10,000km, should be the same as changing the normal oil at 1000km then 10,000km


... but you should really change the oil at 5000km to keep the cars performance and longevity optimal. Oils start to break down after 5000km, some fully synthetic oils can last 10,000km. Honda's oil is not full synthetic.

lol molybdenum
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Yes I know my oil colour doesn't mean much. But I know they changed the oil because the Motul 4100 I put in it is a different colour (slight orange tinge) to the slight greenish tinge stuff I had when it came from the factory!

Plenty of discussion about the special running-in oil on the TSX forums. I'll stick to my 5000km oil change until I start running a full-synth.