RedLine lightweight GB oil stuffed my 3rd gear synchro!!

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

I dont think its the fluid....
why did u use the gearbox breather hole to fill it up ? Probably a big gulp got stuck in there with a big airbubble and blew it all out again = not enough fluid. There is a few good resources about PROPERLY filling up gearbox - including the DIY i did very recently - look -

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58596

+1 stupidity rep to you lol.

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Lol, do we really have that in the rankings?

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Originally Posted by tinkerbell

[Dear David,
Lightweight Shockproof for the gearbox with the gear type LSD. Be sure that it is GEAR type.
Regards,
Tim Slako
Technical
RedLine Oil
redlineoil@redlineoil.com.au


> Website Enquiry
Name: david
i am rebuilding a Honda Integra Type R gearbox and retaining the OEM helical "gear type" LSD. which redline shockproof oil will be best for it? if any?]


i got RedLine to tell me in writing that they recommended Lightweight shockproof.

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But in his email he said to make sure you had gear style LSD. To me this means not syncros, but dog gears. It's the style we use in formula cars, no need for a clutch as long as the car is moving. He should have gone into more detail but you should have been way more detailed in your question, also a little research would have left you knowing not to use the Shockproof, says not to on the site unless you have the dog gears. The fluild didn't fail, it was just used incorrectly. This resulted in the syncros to fail early. But at the same time I doubt it targeted just the 3rd gear. We find most transmission failures are a result of the driver, even when the builder put the wrong fluid in or too much in.

the OEM honda LSD is a Gear style:

http://home.exetel.com.au/tinkerbell/LSD/lsdbuild.gif

Tim was referring to that, not whether i had a dog box... FYI - i spoke to him on the phone as well champ ;) i would not base my decision on a one line email reply :thumbsup:

Ok I just wanted to make sure. I hate when people make uninformed statements about something. Had to make sure all the facts were presented. Also anyone who takes a one line-one email answer from a big company and thinks that's all the facts needs to be shot, glad you called too. I think someone was misinformed or misunderstood something that was going on here. I would just stick with the Honda OEM fluid unless you do some major stuff like Quaife internals. Then the dogs will want the Red Line oils.

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Originally Posted by Slow96GSR

also a little research would have left you knowing not to use the Shockproof, says not to on the site unless you have the dog gears.

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LOL! where does it say that???? :confused:

not anywhere here:

http://www.redlineoil.com.au/Uploads...TR%2002_03.pdf

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Originally Posted by Slow96GSR

I hate when people make uninformed statements about something.

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:zip:

Read the post I made quoting the site! Post #20.

That PDF is only telling you facts about the oil, not what to use it in. Read the descriptions of the products on the web site, not the tech pdf's.

Also are you telling me to zip it or you're zipping it? You have to elaborate on the smilie use!!

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Originally Posted by Slow96GSR

Read the post I made quoting the site! Post #20.

That PDF is only telling you facts about the oil, not what to use it in. Read the descriptions of the products on the web site, not the tech pdf's.

Also are you telling me to zip it or you're zipping it? You have to elaborate on the smilie use!!

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sorry, i have been usign the redline Australia information, not the Redline USA information

so i just spoke to redline Australia,

i was just advised that Redline australia DOES recommend it for use in synchro style transmissions, and have requested that the USA site remove the reference you are referring to!

ahhhh well, i guess it is a sad state of affairs when one part of one organisation disagrees with another part of it!!!

is it me , or did the original poster not quote the exact type of redline oil he used ? Or if he actually filled the right amount....

He only quoted the silly process of filling ~
(via the breather).

yes, it might NOT even be teh Shockproof he is referrign to:

http://www.redlineoil.com/products_g...5&categoryID=6

What they need to do is get people to do research for them. Which side is wrong, who knows, but until someone does detailed research I would look hard at both sources. It still isn't worth using if one says it is not intended for your application. You don't have aftermarket internals for racing. You have a OEM Honda LSD, use the OEM fluids for it. Honda builds and manufactures their parts and fluids to work with each other. Red Line makes their fluids to work with race application parts, not OEM parts. They realize the car manufactures make or have made fluids for the OEM parts so why should Red Line make the same stuff. They may build on the fluid like new additives but still if the parts are OEM use OEM fluids. You did learn the hard way. I think the 1000's of topics involving Red Line and the 30-40 or so that I have commented on I state use Red Line with aftermarket parts and OEM fluids with OEM parts. I'll contact Red Line and see which site is the more up to date or correct one but until then no one get all hyped about "ooooo I use Red Line oil" or "I'm gonna use it with my next oil change". It's for RACE CARS!!!

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Originally Posted by egSi

who ever told u to use redline, kick em in the nuts :thumbsup:

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it was me who told him its alright to use redline ...

i used it in a few of my hondas incl. dc2r, dc2 sir w/lsd and my d-series

never had any problems and changes are much more smoother ..

if he used the "lightweight shockproof" it shouldnt be a problem ..

and also thats wat the filler hole w/ the 17mm bolt is for so u dont get the fluid level wrong ... maybe he over filled it

Samo

BTW - i have noticed that most Honda gearboxes are subject to third gear synchro problems after a while of hard driving...