Why does Honda not use turbo??

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Originally Posted by IAMVTEC

Why not take the easy way out? Especially when the end result isnt any better, I know turbos wouldnt be refined. But neither is VTEC, you still need to rev the engine crazy to get optimal power.

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U dont need to rev vtec engines crazy! They r made to rev! Unless ppl go revving them like dickheads its not going to hurt to b vtec'n it every now and then!

:) I love my vtec :p hehe

turbo = ultra expensive 2 insure if under 25
vtec = not ultra expensive 2 insure if under 25

:D :D :D

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Originally Posted by xenfacta

not just about power....its just a different philosophy... like asking why subaru and porsche use boxer engines...its wat makes the curretn market interesting coz theres a range of different things to choose from.

its also overall balance.. the linearity of na power delivery is something that the turbo guys have been trying to achieve for ages instead of lagging then providing a massive chunk of power that can be unsettling for the chassis esp. mid corner

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:thumbsup: here here :thumbsup:

IAMVTEC...

watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZkyCW4CVo

Then this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4U_Wj84XPU

and this if you feel like it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHlFC...elated&search=

Honda has a different market and purpose in terms of their performance line... regardless that in the last vid Gansan was driving the DC5r

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Originally Posted by SHIFTY

umm peugeot created a version of vvti before bmw created vanos (vvti for bmw) or before basicly any1....

honda just perfected it...

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Not really. Honda never had the equivalent to VVTi until they came out with i-VTEC in the K-series. Honda's VTEC is a 2 stage timing and lift system. VVTi and VANOS are timing only but they are infinitely variable. While i-VTEC integrated VVTi with VTEC, it only has the VVTi component (called VTC by Honda) on the intake cam. So when compared to dual-VVTi and double VANOS engines, they have the infinitely variable timing on the exhaust cam as well, something that i-VTEC doesn't have (they still use 2 stage on the exhaust side).

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Originally Posted by IAMVTEC

Why not take the easy way out? Especially when the end result isnt any better, I know turbos wouldnt be refined. But neither is VTEC, you still need to rev the engine crazy to get optimal power.

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It's because they are Japanese. They also knew that they could get good emissions using NA. Why do you think their D series has lasted all this while to 2005, while the equivalent engines from other brands like the CA and SR-series from Nissan were killed off so early?

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Originally Posted by aaronng

It's because they are Japanese. They also knew that they could get good emissions using NA. Why do you think their D series has lasted all this while to 2005, while the equivalent engines from other brands like the CA and SR-series from Nissan were killed off so early?

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it's true about the SRs.. it's also the reason we couldn't get the VEs and also part of the reason regarding the 03 model 2zzge engine found in the sportivo.

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Originally Posted by IAMVTEC

Why not take the easy way out? Especially when the end result isnt any better, I know turbos wouldnt be refined. But neither is VTEC, you still need to rev the engine crazy to get optimal power.

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Hmmm.. This is going to be another endless thread. But I'll join in :P
IAMVTEC, different car manufacturer has different taste of vision. It's like fruits. It's like asking why banana doesn't taste sweet like strawberry. :eek:

I personally like Honda because they make most power out of engine without sacrificing petrol consumption. I enjoy my Civic because I'm a cruiser guy, not a tracker guy. I prefer efficiency/handling/smoothness, rather than all out power. The other factor is the $$$. Don't want to spend so much on car :p

What do you enjoy most from your Honda? If you crave for power AND you have the big bucks.. maybe you should look for other cars.

BTW I'm impressed with VW. Their Golf GT sounds cool. 1.4 lt 125kw and only consumes 7.7 lt PULP !!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

BTW IAMVTEC, it's good that you made this thread. We haven't had a nice discussion on Ozhonda for quite a while. :thumbsup:

other manufacturers r having turbos cos without turbos, they're shit, otherwise they dont need a turbo if they're good lol :p

Turbo for instant power :p

N/A power is keeping the original motivation of what define a car. as back in the first internal combustion car ever build !... its never been a turbo car to start with in the history of car until late 60's - 70's

mr. Honda start their business int 1910's? after the world war.. inspired by world war machine, first of with motor cycle which transform to car.

i guess HONDA really wanted to stay N/A for some reason. might they want to keep the originality of the design and concept :)

^^^ WOOAAAH so much blubberss.. hope make sense :p

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Originally Posted by aaronng

It's because they are Japanese. They also knew that they could get good emissions using NA. Why do you think their D series has lasted all this while to 2005, while the equivalent engines from other brands like the CA and SR-series from Nissan were killed off so early?

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WHOA! that is a great point!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: good work!!