I'm actually thinking about getting the full bushing kit... hmmm.
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I'm actually thinking about getting the full bushing kit... hmmm.
Do it man forsure,I'm gonna.I read a couple in the states have every bushing ES make in thier car and that the difference is night and day.
There a a few bushes not in the master kit:
Leaf spring bushing
Body mounts
Transmission mounts
Shock and steering stabilizer boots
Rear Sway bar bushings
RE: Energy Suspension Master kit.
> There a a few bushes not in the master kit:
> Leaf spring bushing
> Body mounts
Body mounts and leaf springs aren't relevant for civic's.
> Rear Sway bar bushings
chances are you've upgraded your rear sway bar to a larger unit, in which case the master kit doesn't help much.
Another bush manufacturer is Prothane, they also have master kits.
Energy Suspension don't supply rear suspension bushes and are a bit softer than Prothane.
ES rear trailing bush is much cheaper than Prothane. The ES bush requires you to keep the old bush, burn out the rubber and insert the new ES poly bush.
Prothane rear trailing arm bush includes the outer metal shell
Another rear trailing arm bush you might want to look at ($$$) is Hardrace from Taiwan. Nice unit, apparently. Only source I know of is Ebay.
www.suspension.com are ok for ES and Prothane stuff.
Applications which lock the poly bush between two moving surfaces (eg front lower shock bush) will cause LOTS of squeaking. most bushes are ok. graphite and greasing doesn't help much.
Nick.
On ya Nick :)
*Energy Suspension don't supply rear suspension bushes and are a bit softer than Prothane.
What rear suspension bushes?
*The ES bush requires you to keep the old bush, burn out the rubber and insert the new ES poly bush.
What do you mean by 'burn out the rubber'?
The Black bushes from ES are self lubricating also but are they harder? I hear both,they are the same and they are harder...
Sorry Beeza, its hot, i'm tired and couldn't be bothered .... here's some quick notes from memory and I'll try again later this week.
> Energy Suspension don't supply rear suspension bushes
coil spring isolator, top and bottom shock bush and I think LCA bushes.
> What do you mean by 'burn out the rubber'
a poly bush installation looks deceptively simple. Some bushes are a downright nightmare to remove.
front lower lca - can't press it out 'cause the pressing action makes the outer shell swell and force itself to wedge into bush hole surface.
I tried a big arse workshop press and ... nothing.
Best approach is to light a fine propane torch and point the flame into the bush central bore.
After a looong time the bush will start to smoke and flame LOTS and then you just use a screwdriver to force it out.
You want to protect the lca itself from the flame and heat but it isn't too hard to do.
Then with a hacksaw/blade/file you slowly remove as much of the rubber material as possible.
It's a shit of a job.
Once you get to the bush metal shell a small cut with a hacksaw into the shell ONLY and it will fall out.
This all takes a long time.......
The rear trailing can be pressed out, from the inside to the outside. Its tapered and won't go the other way.
With the ES RTA bush there is an alternative. You can burn out the centre metal pin like above, remove all remaining rubber but don't touch the outside bush shell.
Once you clean up the inner surface of the shell (a light hone won't go astray), you press the poly bush into the old instact and inplace bush shell.
You reuse the centre pin after a quick clean up.
There's a lot of controlversy regards poly RTA bushes and snap oversteer on honda-tech.com. But also some happy users.
Seems it only affects autox drivers on hard cornering. Shouldn't be an issue on daily driver, but I don't know.
Probably safest option is to replace with an OEM piece.
> The Black bushes from ES are self lubricating
more cosmetic in my opinion.
> but are they harder?
red compared to black? they're the same.
Prothane compared to ES? Not too sure. I think Prothane is a little harder but not much in it.
Use OEM RTA and there's not much separateing them.
Remember when using OEM RTA's (new or old) to re-clock them for lowered suspension.
.... I'm off to sleep ... again.
Nick.
hehe,Good work mate!
yeah they are only the upper ones.
You will need to get the bottom 3 inserts also to make it complete
Sorry to bring the thread back alive, but Ive been researching and trying to get a set of the inserts and this is what ive found for $110 AUD you get the full complete upper and lower inserts that you will need so for anyone out there that is looking for them here it is -
This set covers the Front Lower left, right and Rear mounts.
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...E1105&cat=1028
This set covers the Upper left and Upper right mounts.
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com...48505&cat=1028
Are you sure they're the right ones? I thought those red ones look to be for the 2x lower mounts?
I'm thinking about getting new OEM left and right lower mounts and then getting those Energy Suspension inserts.
My lower mounts are shagged!
I asked engergy suspension supplier myself and he replied with those 2 links stating thats everyting needed for the mounts
Oh ok cool.
I'm going to get these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=190207878932
Shipping is only $17 odd (according to the seller).
And i might have to look into those kits you've got there marko... hmmm.
Group buy? haha
EDIT/UPDATE: Just got in contact with the seller of those mounts that i've linked above. I asked him if they were identical to original ones so I could use the inserts and he replied stating that the ones he's selling are in fact OEM, but revised/superseeded - stronger than the original and reinforced, so the inserts won't fit. He also stated that his ones would be just as durable, if not more, than normal mounts with the inserts.
Hmmm...
bumping up an old thread
anyone end up getting the ES mounts for the gearbox and passenger side mount?
actually looking into the flexane stuff to fill the gearbox mount and probably drill a hole in the passenger mount and fill it up with flexane instead