Replacement shock discussion: Are my shocks blown? *PICS*

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Originally Posted by e240

If you paid the same price as you did for Ohlins to Koni, they'd be able to make you a set thats the same as the Ohlins, hell, they'd probably tune to your valving requirements too.

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Pay extra and Koni will valve to your spec, and fit adjustable bump valves too if you really want it. The wide range of actual stiffness adjustment is big plus on the Koni side of the sheet, most other adjustable dampers actually have very little range of stiffness from soft to stiff, despite often having a ridiculous number of settings (i.e. 'clicks', some of which make no change at all...). Of course, more adjustment range means more opportunity to get the settings wrong...

On the other hand, only a very limited number of Bilstein dampers use adjustable valves. Bilstein considering that a good adjustable valve will never be quite as good or reliable as a good non adjustable valve, all else being equal. Bilsteins are designed for relatively easy valve changes (if you have the gear to do it).

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Originally Posted by SHOGUNOVDDRK

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I'd sell my soul to the Devil for Koni Yellows..

But didn't it go Blue>Yellow>Red?

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By expensive, I mean compared to red, but compared to alot of shocks out there, they're actually bang on for value and quality.

Are there blue?

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Originally Posted by e240

By expensive, I mean compared to red, but compared to alot of shocks out there, they're actually bang on for value and quality.

Are there blue?

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Well in general the yellows are better then the reds (or atleast for the 3G's)

I was told there is a Koni Blue and that they are competition spec

gee now i'm more confused than ever to find a replacement shock...

bilstein (non adjust) or koni (adjust)... I'm afraid the bilsteins wont have the same firm valving as the OEMs, hence ruining the ride.

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Originally Posted by JohnL

My understanding is that Konis are low pressure gas dampers, which in theory shouldn't be as good as a high pressure gas damper, which Ohlins, Penske etc may well be(?). ...

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All Integra, Civic shock replacement from Koni's are high pressure monotube designs.

Hell, I should sell Konis.

Original Poster - Just go get some Fightex DAs..A good suspension unit goes a long way whether you track or not. :angel:

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Originally Posted by SHOGUNOVDDRK

Well in general the yellows are better then the reds (or atleast for the 3G's)

I was told there is a Koni Blue and that they are competition spec

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3g! For Koni Yellows? !!! I picked mine up for under $600, all four corners.

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Originally Posted by SiReal

I dont think Blue exist

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Never heard of Koni 'Blues'. Commonly used Konis are;
Sports (aka 'yellow')
Special (aka 'red')
Classic (aka 'black')

Then there are purpose made racing dampers (blues?).

To my understanding they (Sports, Special, Classic) are all internally the same, except that Sports have stiffer valving than the Specials, and while Specials are adjustable in rebound like the Sports are, only the Sports have the external adjusters (though not all Sports have external adjusters, like the rear ones for my Accord, grrrr).

I'm not sure if the Classics are adjustable (my guess is that they probably would be), and they are intended for older model cars (e.g. Austin Healeys and the like).

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Originally Posted by e240

3g! For Koni Yellows? !!! I picked mine up for under $600, all four corners.

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hahahahaa no i was referring to the 3G civic's :p

Though a mint in original box of Koni reds would go for atleast 1k+

:edit: My source may have infact been referring to Blacks

Ill try find the source and pics later :p

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Originally Posted by e240

3g! For Koni Yellows? !!! I picked mine up for under $600, all four corners.

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i think he mean 3rd gen civic?

i like koni yellows... got them for about 630 a few months back brand new from the us:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by e240

All Integra, Civic shock replacement from Koni's are high pressure monotube designs.

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All the better. Yellows for Accords are twin tube low pressure. Twin tube isn't necessarily worse than monotube, but the characteristics do differ (I'd have to look up the specific differences). I suspect high pressure can only be made in monotube (?).

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Originally Posted by SHOGUNOVDDRK

hahahahaa no i was referring to the 3G civic's :p:p

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Originally Posted by [ricer]

i think he mean 3rd gen civic?
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:o heh heh heh

Thanks for all your insights EVERYBODY! This is fantastic - to have a healthy debate on the pros and cons, to be able to list sources of info. We should do this more often!