i see..... (i think.. lol). thanks for that info james.
so in reference to these "cheapie" ecu alternatives, like the e-manage, piggybacks and etc etc, do they give NO gain/assistance, or jus not AS MUCH as going all the way with a "proper" ecu?
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i see..... (i think.. lol). thanks for that info james.
so in reference to these "cheapie" ecu alternatives, like the e-manage, piggybacks and etc etc, do they give NO gain/assistance, or jus not AS MUCH as going all the way with a "proper" ecu?
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Great reply...very detailed.
Mate, question, s100 over s200? I'm not looking at running any NOS or FI but like the extra features of the s200....should I stick with the 200 or is the 100 ample enough?
Also, I've got a VAFC lying around, want to incorporate the blue screen into my cabin, would it be possible to run hondata along with the vafc in anyway at all?
I tend to disagree with this... it has been proven that so called "advanced driver training" gives a false sense of above average skill compared to other road users and thus leads to these people attempting to "show" their skill dangerously on the roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by AP1 F20c
Personally, I only race at track days and you always get the people who have been to these courses bragging about it and have no idea how to drive quickly... and more importantly safely on track days...... and sadly they carry it onto the street also.
Don’t get me wrong, piggy back devices do work, and are still feasible options, and 100’s are sold each week around the world, tuners love them also because people need to get re tune’s all the time, or have there stock ecu reset every week so it resets the autolearn, so yeah they do work / do there jobs to a degree. Some work better than others, some devices only allow you to trim or add fuel, some only work full thottle forgetting about part throttle driveability ( where most driving is done ) some don’t support ignition, or control vtec correctly, some have limits such as 11psi max boost, so have very very bad resolution with not enough points to safely tune a engine, some have rpm limits and the list goes on and on, then ask your self how much is your car worth to you, and is it worth skimping on the most important thing in your car ? engine management . Do some research especially over sea’s research in the USA if your serious and you should come up with the correct answer, although sadly most Honda owners seem to skimp corners and use this half arsed devices.
As for as the other option making more power, that’s something ill never promise a end user, max power = perfect air fuel ration and ignition timing if you have this you have max power simple. Some ECU’s allow you to get to this point much more easily when tuning, some don’t have the fine tuning required to get 100% out of your engine.
Oh one more thing don’t fall into the trap of, OH I WANT TO TUNE MY OWN CAR FINE TUNE IT… blah blah like sooo many people think / say that. Simple fact unless you have had over 100 hours on a dyno, know all the maths / science regarding tuning a engine understand fuel curves / ignition tables as well as owning your own dyno and wide band AF don’t do it !!!. So many people are like oh ill tune it my self … leave it to experts and once its tuned don’t touch it. !!!
one more chance
With regards to the s100 and s200, I talk every customer into spending the little bit more and getting the s200 as you neve know what extra options you might like down the track. There is NO tune ability difference however between the s100 and s200 the s100 just doesn’t support data logging / full throttle shift / g sensor etc…
The s100 sells for $775(rrp) installed and the s200 is $820(rrp) installed, although currently there’s 10% discount around Australia due to our birthday sale.
Get a base s200 unit and upgrade to features when required…. Once you drive a car with the full throttle shift / launch rpm you will wonder how you went without it.
As for the afc you could leave that half plugged up, so it just reads rpm but yeah hmm pointless I would sell it, buy your self a plam hand held computer and use that with Hondata if you go down that track.
Hope that helps guys !!
Regards James
I actually think cams is a really really good way to gain power. Get your hands on a set of type R cams and you can just bolt it straight on. Its got a more aggresive profile compared to the stock b16a ones. But of coz, you'll need exhaust and extractors done before hand to give a better flow.. As for ecu, arent they really expensive ??? I know the whole unit is expensive. Piggy back ones like VAFC helps as well but personally, I rather go with cams because by the time u get it installed and tuned, it would probaly cost about the same.
The owner can’t put type R cams into a b18b engine it’s a none vtec engine.
As for putting type R cams into a b16 and not changing anything else, while in theory it might sound good, sadly it is’t.
Again your still running the stock b16 ecu, the stock ecu is supplying the wrong ignition timing and fuelling for the type r cam’s. The actual difference b/w tyre r cam’s and b16 cams is in the high of the vtec lobe and mainly affects over 7800rpm making power on a 1.8L when tuned by a type r ecu to 8200 rpm.
How can you A make a stock b16 ecu rev to 8200 when it rev limit is 7800, and B how can you provide the correct fuel and ignition to the DC2 cams to make more power from them ?? you can’t ! u need to tune everything you can’t just slap parts on, tuning is the key.
Regards James
My G/F's B16A revs to 8200!
It is the fuel cut....... but it revs to it :wink:
My B16A revs to 8500 easily with standard ECU. Gets to about 65km in first. I think cause mine is the imported version and comes standard with 10 extra Hp than standard (170 hp)
James thanx for the reply. Very detailed though I think I will stick with the s100 as it has all the tuning capabilities I will ever need. But how is the drivabiloty with full-throttle shifting? Good suggestion about selling the VAFC for a hand held item...hmmmmm..
So many different rev limiters, I wonder how accurate the tacho is on everyone's cars. :?:
hmm broken tacho's and or people just can't read them correctly, its very hard unless your on a dyno, some ecu's thow do have different redline fuel cuts most around 7800, people that have afc-s hooked up, these can also miss read the ecu !! so yeah.
Either way hmm type r Cams in a b16 hmm no point unless you can tune the car extend the rpm give it more fuel more ignition timing up top, then your talking more power than just slapping in cams ! Tuning is the key to anything !!
As for the s100.. get the base s200 ;) not the s100 resale of the s200 is so much easier also !! its worth the extra little bit.
Regards James
cool threads guys...
interceptor type ECU's do not raise ur revlimit, they are confined to the operating conditions of ur factory ecu... so if fuel cutoff is 8200 on your ecu... then with a unichip, emanage or whichever interceptor tyep ecu ur tuning scope stops there...
on b16a2 i beileve redlins is 7800 but fuel cur off is 8200, dont know im very sure most tachos are inaccurate around that area...
well thats my 2 cents...
im up this whole ECU part of mods.. damn it is expensive...
but i think the most import think ive read and agreed with from here is
TUNING is the key
thanks for listening to my 2 cents (if anyone cares that is )