how good are they compared to dc5r?
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They're more like the DC2 than the 5. The 5 is boring and neutral in my opinion. I'll post some YouTube links shortly.
Clio 182 - http://youtu.be/5SAiFlzrO-A
RS250 vs R26.r - http://youtu.be/MimwetzER7c
Clio RS200 III vs Focus RS - http://youtu.be/Ae4RqTW5UDU
Clio RS200 IV - http://youtu.be/KsUPixwMDg0
Clio RS200 on BMI - http://youtu.be/CjeQp6YkPUw
Megane RS265 Nurburgring FWD record -http://youtu.be/5SAiFlzrO-A
Apologies for taking things off topic but if you haven't been introduced to Renault Sport before you may find these really interesting, and surprising.
The only other issues I know of are the engine mounts failing. I think the dc5 can have similar problems anyway.
One other bonus with the clio sports that I didn't mention above is the fuel economy. You can pretty easily average around 6L/100km if you don't thrash the car everywhere. Integras can't get anywhere near this sort of economy.
So that means the 197 is probably the safest bet.
One thing I didn't like about the 147 gta was the shifting felt too soft, .It didn't feel direct what so ever. Ep3r on the other hand felt firm and very direct when shfting. Renault Clio the same go as the 147 or ep3?
My 200 has a great shift. Not quite as tight as the DC5, but good enough.
A good 197 can be had for $14-18k these days. Just make sure servicing is up to date. Best buying from OZRS members and the like. Because they're such low volume every car has a history that someone knows of. Keeps the bad cars out of circulation.
DLO01 belonged to Dean who mods these forums and the car is well known enough on these forums and ClubITR not to be dodgy. His build: http://www.tunerzine.com/view-articl...-typer#gallery
Turbocharged until he took the kit off it. Purchased by me at 29,000kms. Now, there may be some truth to what you say, until you jump in and feel how tight the car is. Neither Dean or I used it as daily driver and the turbo kit was on for about 5000kms according to him.
Dean had a Competition brand Stage 4 clutch installed for the turbo set up and didn't return it to stock. Between the fact that the car has spent a lot of its life as a garage queen and the fact that the seal on the clutch cylinder had died does not mean overuse. In fact seals go bad from lack of use and a bit of dampness getting into the fluid can be detrimental - this I know after owning numerous cars over 27 years of holding a licence and more owning a car. If you'd met Dean, you'd realise that "thrash" is a kiddy term. Quartered - yep in turbo form (can't remember what he quoted me he'd done). Driven as designed - yep, by both of us. Thrashed, I doubt it.
Anyway, PM DLO01 if you think it's fake. :)
Dc5 better....coz of year made
in the same way jazz is better then nsx
Actually, there was a nice 2002 up for sale a couple of weeks ago. Full resto job. Do want but can't afford :)
Dark green with Alpina pin-striping for 12K. Period correct wheels as well. Gumtree ad is gone now or I'd link the pic.
How many people do we see doing 1.8lt conversions in their DC5s?
He means K20 is better engine which makes the dc5 better by default I think
K series 4 lyfe
good info hear guise
I would choose the DC5R - Reasoning:
Inspected ALL Dc2r and DC5R before purchasing 2 weeks ago.
Okay Good luck to the guys who have their DC2R for sale for 15K+ ... Most of them were missing log books, interior looked like it aged well, but it has aged and the sun damage starts to be more then just noticeable. Too me, sure DC2r is a legend, Im a honda fan boy. But paying 15k for a car that turns the oil black on the 1st drive after the oil change. Sorry to break it to the current DC2R owners, you car has done more then that ~150KM that your claiming. Just little things here and there on nearly all had something little wrong that I would not want to part with my 15k. The only one that I inspected was perfect, was asking 19k for the car.... 5k more and i get a s2k (The owner is an ozhonda member)
DC5R. Now its slower then the DC2R and much harder to drive, steering wheel is heavy etc etc etc. But upside, For the same amount of fuel that i put into my 1.6l im getting more KM's out of my new 2.0l motor, thanks to its 6 speed box. Its been 2 weeks since i have done an oil change, Its still golden! Currently car reads 186xxx KMs as well. My last b series was showing 156xxxkm on the clock the fresh oil would turn black the second you turn on the motor. This only cost me 14k.
Its preference i guess, If your after a daily i would say get the DC5r as i did. If your after a weekend car find the damn best Dc2r in the market and dont be fooled by its KM's on the clock, check interior, paint, check to see for welds if the panel bolts still have the factory paint on them etc etc. New for new Dc2r is a better car, but second hand the DC5R wins my books.
My dc2r if for sale.
Mine also
Yes same with me
i've decided to go dc5
None. because B18C already makes 200hp and K20A is still at 200hp.
You are wrong.
Best b18c makes 147kw with 180/nM ... now a k20a makes 165kw with 215nm
K these are Japanese models, they have better fuel and what not to allow that higher compression. now lets compare aus delivered motors.
B18c7 140kW with 172nM @ 7500RPM (WHOA thats pretty late to make max pull) - found in aus dc2r.
K20a2 147kW with 193nM @ 5600 (thats nearly 2k drop in rpm to make max pull) - found in aus dc5r.
Now the k series technologies that the b series wishes it had, timing chain, 6 speed box, earlier vtec engagement, etc etc the list can go on.
But there is one thing the b series has over the k (in my eyes) that crossover, so much more sexier then the k series.
Could factor in the weight between the two?
Dc2 with k swap!!
OH one thing i forgot to mention.
I like the sound of the bouncing off redline on the K series better. Sounds like shes loving it. B series just sounds like its dieing.
Is there a low sump issue?