based on last postings.. it seems that v-power works better on smaller car e.g. civic n integra.. while vortex (and ultimate?) works better on bigger car e.g accord?
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based on last postings.. it seems that v-power works better on smaller car e.g. civic n integra.. while vortex (and ultimate?) works better on bigger car e.g accord?
i only use vortex 98
i heard a horror story about vpower100 last night. my mates 1yr old wrx. he is 1st owner. took it for a thrash after putting in vpower100 and it felt stronger. that is until he blew his engine
now im not saying vpower100 blows ur engine. but it was the 1st time he used vpower100 and it was the 1st time he ever blew an engine
Not really a coincidence...Quote:
Originally Posted by chicken8
More than likely hard k's of neglect by your mate. How did this engine "blow" ? timing chain snapped ? oil starvation ? etc ? Thats to do with upkeep/servicing and not fuel :)
hmm perth sucks, the only 98 octane fuel is ultimate and when you leave the cbd namely augusta (perth people will know what im talking about) some petrol station managers done even know what the word premium means.. :(
baAHHAHAHAHAH!!.. ftw!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rhk
thats gay az.
i have tried both fuels on the dyno.. BP is by far best and in my civic i even get more km's outta it.. best ive gotten outta the opti was 306km... ONLY with BP i got 464!!!!!!!!!!!! with the normal shell fuel i got 325 :)
In my rotor it made 198rwkw on opti @ 8psi.. and on BP it made 239.5rwkw on 8psi :) same tune... just diff fuels.. i ran opti once in my 180sx... because i had no other choice and guess what.... it didnt turn back on after i poured it
Too many bad experiances so ill never use the shit ever again
I think you should try each of whats on offer and then make a personal call on what you think is best for your car and your style/kind of driving. Every1 is going to have a different opinion and there will be no right or wrong answer. Trial and error is the only way you are going to find what best suits your motor vehicle.
can anyone tell me the ron rating of v power?
its v power now
i know i wanted to know the "RON" rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunky
98 RONQuote:
Originally Posted by HondaTechy
I test drive my car tonite. The new V-power is indeed splendid. Unlike ultimate, I don't need to wait my rev reach 3k before my auto transmission changes its gear when climbed up a hill. It's cleaner than the old optimax too. ;)
not sure if it's been posted yet, but fifth gear did a test of normal unleaded v bp ultimate v shell optimax with 3 different cars, draining the tank and resetting the ecu between each run. the results were:
renault clio (bhp)
1. shell optimax: 81
1. bp ultimate: 81
1. normal unleaded: 81
vw golf gti (bhp)
1. shell optimax: 177
2. bp ultimate: 174
3. normal unleaded: 172
subaru impreza wrx sti (bhp/lbft)
1. shell optimax: 249/258
2. bp ultimate: 248/248
3. normal unleaded: 235/232
where's the test for honda?
no honda's were tested, so that's only a rough guideline for performance figures for general economy v performance engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
All it proves is that turbos can take advantage of higher octane fuel while N/A engines can't unless you get it remapped.
doesn't that answer the question of the topic then? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
make of it what you will, the more info you have the better informed choice you can make.
Well, it does say that for a high compression N/A engine, the difference between UK spec Optimax and UK Spec Ultimate makes no difference in power output. Engine smoothness on the other hand cannot be predicted with this info.Quote:
Originally Posted by chylld
yep. it should also be noted that the fifth gear test doesn't predict fuel economy either... just power (and in the case of the sti, torque as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Aarong it would be nice if you could be polite and respond with your opinion without aggressively offending=attacking people.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
BP Ultimate Works!
He said that any petrol place that uses vouchers are crap. So I used the same word back at his statement, which was obviously a blanket statement that was not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyVtec
If he hadn't used the word crap, I wouldn't have used it to emphasize my rebuttle to his statement. It is a popular tactic used for debating.
Moving to the technical section for vaugeness of discussion.
BTW i used 1 3/4 tank of V power , and it gave me about 240kms.
Thats pretty poor considering my usual 3/4 tank ($30) of vortex gets around 350-400 ( with b18c Vtak)
rather than determining which is better by talking about which give you more power/response/kms etc etc, anyone ever noticed the different fumes each gives off? unleaded compared to any 98RON is unbelievable. shell would have the cleanest smell.
also the changes in exhaust notes? cars tend to sound like wrx's with unleaded. but with 98RON the note is more smoother and quieter. once again shell gives the least amount of "wrxness".
my 2 cents, but aren't they pretty much all the same!?!?!
which do you prefer, coke or pepsi? mt franklin or pump? same sh*t different smell.
in the terms of "wrx ness" ultimate is more quiet than v-power.. it's based on my car's engine which has no modification on it. The smell? don't notice it at all :)
Shell and BP both have 98ron. Is it a big different?
of course. before shell v-power come out, bp ultimate is much better than shell optimax: cleaner, more power and economical. But now it seems that the new v-power more powerful, yet not very economical :p
shell is siht.. always has been and always will be
BP has always been the better fuel and probably will always be.. btw.. my rotor doesnt run on V power.. it just simply will not start.. what a waste of petrol... gotta b drained and refilled with ultimate ;)
petrol doesnt change the way ur car sounds either
i know that from experiance :)
optimax makes more power than ultimate i think. in terms of pure power, its a bit better generally, but i get further k's with ultimate. and engine runs a lot smoother.. i really dont like optimax
i use ultimate and synergy 8000, they are pretty equal. I want to move to vortex 98 but serzly, i havnt even been into a caltex that has it... :S
anybody have locations around eastern suburbs that stock vortex 98?
I poured in vortex98 for the first time in my life, so far the fuel economy has been krazii, the needle doesn't wanna move.
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Originally Posted by Hans Bond
.....its the same shit with a diff name man...i think you just psychologically think its better
and theres vpower and vpower racing
vpower is 98RON whilst vpower racing is 100RON with 5% ethanol
i've used vpower racing before but for me the car runs the best on vortex98 and apart from emergencies i wouldnt be using any other fuel than vortex98
BP Ultimate all the way :cool:
Yeah you can go to caltex in bayswater, next to safeway in bayswater
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Originally Posted by preludacris
hrmm ..
any around the hawthorn, balwyn, box hill, doncaster area?
in my experience with fuels. ive had my car for nearly 2 years and ive come across all of the fuels u can go by.. 95RON, 98RON 100RON even 91 wen i had no choice..
out of the main ones in discussion vortex 98, bp ultimate, shell optimax (now v-power) and mobil synergy...
by economy (distance per tank)
- vortex 98 (450-500km)
- mobil synergy (close 2nd - upto 480km)
- bp ultimate (up to 450km)
- shell optimax / v-power (420 or less)
by power
- bp ultimate
- vortex 98
- shell optimax
- mobil synergy
the diff in power are only slight.. but noticeable to me since ive had the same car in the same form for a while..
conclusions..
best of both worlds is a close call between vortex98 and bp ultimate..
the new v-power is better than optimax.. but stil gets poor economy imo..
thers hardly mobil in my area.. so i dont really use it..
verdict..
caltex vortex 98 is my #1.. mainly due to the fact u save 4c per litre.. if these vouchers dint exist. itll jus depend on where i drive past first.. caltex or bp..
they is one in macedon plaza in doncaster area. keep going down sam's house on station street. but i wouldnt just go there to fill up. im pretty sure they are lots more. caltex stations around my area have all intro'ed vortex slowly. just wait abit, plus you dont drive anyways so no hurry ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
Ferrai uses Shell in their F1's, besides the fact that it's "F1-grade" fuel, the only car i remember that uses BP is the Bathurst BP RX7.
Do Vortex98 contain ethenal?
Btw, I use V-Power everytime as I shop at Coles, and never had any problems with Shell fuels. But I have heard of negative comments about Shell, but that's just 'comments'.
thats completely different from vpower.....its like sayin F1 use bridgestone.Quote:
Originally Posted by n/a
noQuote:
Do Vortex98 contain ethenal?
It is optimax or V power they use in F1 cars ? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by n/a
F1 cars use vortex95
another vortex fans lol
just my 2c
i was using 100ron Shell with the ethanol blend for about 6 months. I dont drive the car much 50km a week if that. I dont pay any attention to mileage because i dont really care, and dont drive much anyway.
Last Saturday i filled it with BP Ultimate, and i gotta say the car does have more urge, revs out smoother and faster....
Shame there arent too many BP's in my immediate area
Try Vortex98 next. I want to hear your comments on it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
will do
OK, its time to revive this thread. Now that Shell V-Power has been out for a while now, how do you find it compared to the ever popular BP Ultimate? Or Caltex Vortex 98 for that matter? I have stuck with Ultimate all this time, but as the others have discount vouchers I am looking at changing to one of the others but not sure yet which one would be a worthy replacement for Ultimate.
I've used V power for about a month and I noticed on my car I got less mileage per tank than with BP Ultimate, I average about 400-450 per tank with bp, but with shell I was getting around 350ish, and no I wasn't fanging it.
As for power didn't really notice any change between the two.
Vortex 98 will be a perfect replacement for ultimate. Also remember vortex is produced by the same company (caltex) which made the honda feo oil.
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Originally Posted by Alpine
Vodka or tequila's the best actually...
Really great for fuel economy...After a few swigs, you can't drive your car.
I just filled up my 65L tank with V-Power and after reading this thread I feel like I just got ripped off...
Maybe my next visit would be Vortex98 or BP Ultimate...hmm now deciding between the two....
Shame BP does not offer discount vouchers
how does this help? its totally off topic and stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by e240
I generally either use V-power or 8000 just because they are close to my house, the closest BP is about 15 minutes drive away.
I did once use BP for about 2-3 weeks, I felt it was slightly more responsive than V-power but hardly noticeable, but i seemed to have gotten alot more mileage out of V-power than BP
BP does have discount vouchers, they align themselves with IGAQuote:
Originally Posted by joey_kev
i find it that bp isnt as good as it was 6months ago.
with the mobile petrol i notice a big jump in throttle response,
but that could just be my car , every cars diffrent..
i used to get about 400 out of a full tank..
stupid petrol prices.. i only get about 350 or less now =(
Ive found Shell's V-Power to have pretty good fuel efficiency after the first 2 tanks or so run through. Im actually using the new V-Power Racing (100Octane 5% Ethanol) Nice smoother power delivery, ive tried the BP Ultimate and they are definantly similar but car seems smother with Shell's Petrols.
Fuel efficiency is again similar when comparing 98's but with the V-Power Racing if im driving conservitivly i can get around 520kms out of a tank. (Stock VTi-R) With occaisonal trips into the VTEC Range.
wow you guys must be super sensitive, cos I can't tell jack in performance gains with diff types of fuel, just mileage.
out of the two...
BP Ultimate... better..
but Mobil 8000 is very good aswell... i used to only use that...
now im on V-Power coz ive got so many vouchers... and its on the highway on the way home from work...
My sentiments..Quote:
Originally Posted by Encor3
except for mileage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rice_4_life
i have amate who works at a petrol refinery and the best fuel on the market is the bp then the mobile, actually they are both exactly the samed fule and are the best fuels to use...( bp ultimate and mobile synergy 8000)
he told me that the bp truck turns up they fill it with ultimate and then the mobile truck rocks up and they use the saqme pump to fill it, so its actually the best and same fuel on the market......i find that my type r runs best on bp ulitmate so i never change......
better fuel ecconomy as well......
I to have the same opinion on BP ultimate. I get abt 50 km from Bp ultimate than V power. My next door neighbour has same view.
I'm not a petrol expert but I do know my car. The difference in the two you can tell. (Well i can neways).
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Originally Posted by ATSEK4
A mate of mine had fuel tested with his families formular holden race car and found that BP ultimate gave the best results closely followed by mobil 8000.
the results he got also stated that shell fuel was the dirtiest.
This was done a little over a year ago so the fuel mixture of shell may have changed since then. but i still go by it and only get mobil or bp.
you shouldnt be using any ethanol mixed fuel in your mid-90s honda...thats just sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
Why?! An Automotive Engineer (mate) said it will be fine expessially if its only 5%, they say all the "check with your manufacturer" just to be on the safe side.Quote:
Originally Posted by roar
Is their any particular reason behind your opinion? or facts?
Late Addition: I just went back to BP Ultimate (98RON) Today and the fuel efficiency after clocking it was awful. My driving habits didn't change nor did the driving conditions. For eg. Half a tank of BP Ultimate will take me 230km's, where as half a tank of V-Power Racing will take me almost 275kms. I have to say though the power is similar, however I think I get a greater low end throttle response and torque from V-Power Racing.
ATTENTION:
A Comparasion on the TV Show 5th Gear showed V-Power(98RON) to give greater power and torque over BP Ultimate in both High Compression N/A and Turbo's (Examples used were a honda i think and a Subaru WRX) Not to mention better fuel economy. So after sticking to shell's fuels for a few weeks that just closed the deal for me. Expessially with my latest two BP Ultimate experiences, Although as stated above the power is very similar, the fuel efficiency is difficult to ignore.
Cheers
I am sorry but it sounds a bit far-fetched that there would bhe such a difference in efficiency:/ How can you be sure that it was exactly 50% of the tank with both fuels? I get around 550 - 600 k's a tank for my dc5r and that is with BP ultimate or Mobile 8000. I can get the same with vpower as well though. As for which is better i dont have the definitive answer but i still believe what my mate told me as he is in a more credible position than me. I filled with vpower racing (100) once to test it out. Only got 400 k's which i suppose is not too bad considering i was fanging around quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
Also which ep of 5th gear? i would love to see it :)
It was on foxtel a week ago (i think its Adventure 1) should be replayed soon. When i say half a tank i put 25 litres in and fill up at as close as i can get to the same time (the instant the fuel light stays on when the car is on a flat surface). Although when i drove to work this morning i managed to pull another 20 or so km's out of the tank of BP, i can only manage to get in the mid 500's per tank with shell's v-power line.
Unless i should run a bit of BP to "run it though" but i dont see it making that much differance.
I would rather use BP fuel trust me, its about 5 houses down the road, but it doesnt work well for me. So i travel to doncaster east to get V-Power/Racing.
if you use a different fuel in the exact next tank your ECU might not trim optimum...give it 2 or 3 "tanks" or amounts for your engine to maximize the fuel its using.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
I think i'll stick it out with BP Ultimate for a while, and put some faith in the above posts. I'll update everyone in a week or two of my findings.
Thanks.
To anyone reading this thread looking for information, just remember that almost all of what is being posted is opinions only.
A car is not a calibrated device for measuring fuel consumption and there are many other variables in these 'tests' that can and will affect the outcome. All in all what you are buying when you fill up with petrol is a mass produced product that must fall within quality control parameters, i.e. not every batch is the same but it it is within spec.
Even just in the transport and storage process more variables are added- how old is the fuel? what temperature? (when it comes from the terminal it is 'hot' and cools and therefore shrinks when it sits in the ground).
Pumps at the servo are not totally accurate, it is very rare that you will be overcharged due to the nature of the calibration equipment used but I have seen many a pump giving away up to 200ml for every 10L sold, that would affect these 'tests'.
All in all you can find just as much variation between different servos dispensing the same company's fuel, as the different companies themselves.
Having said all that I do agree that Vortex98 and Ultimate are the best fuels for my car, but this is based on the manufacturing process used.
I think vortex98 sucks because its 20 cents higher per litre than normal ulp caltex.
Ultimate, V-power and synnergy 8000 are cheaper than that.
(based on last time i checked)
Vortex98 is the same price as V-power, Ultimate and Mobil8000.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
Good Post Mooshie.
/me pokes PQ your way
i got the worst results with BP Ultimate.
1) caltex
2) mobil
3) shell
4) BP
is what i found.
well different car, different fuel to suit
mine was a cg accord and I use bp.. run very smooth and get the best mileage..
now change to a 5th gen vti-r lude and still use bp.. but dont get the best mileage so i replace it with vortex 98.. so far it's the best for my car in terms of power and mileage :)
Honestly i never tried the v-power racing.. will be too fast and furious for me I think :p
I'll try Vortex 98 next time me thinks.
Well i have my results back, after running petrol through the motor ( i do quite a bit of driving atm) my latest results show that I get approximately...
FULL TANK RESULTS:
BP Ultimate: ~527km (Tested This Week)
Shell V-Power: ~540km (Tested Last Week)
When driving normal and during "Spirited Drives" i still find that Shell's V-Power fuels have a low/mid end torque gain compared to BP/Vortex. I can usually tell the differance between ~2500rpm-5500rpm. Although the differance isnt something thats going to warrant travelling that much further or spending much more to get it.
Don't forget these are approximate figures.
XD Have a good day GUYZ && GIRLZ!
At the moment dispite what i have previously posted. i am gettin similar results. I recently went from 1 full tank of v-power to a full tank of BP Ultimate. I feel the car is a bit sluggish under 3k rpm and that the torque and power in general is lacking.. I have not experienced this before with ultimate, might be a bad batch of fuel... not sure but yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00ny
I always thought Vortex98 gave better fuel consumption than Shell Optimax/V-power. But after 2.5 years of keeping record of my fuel consumption, I got Vortex98 at 9.66 L/100km and Optimax at 9.68 L/100km! So there is almost no difference other than me feeling that Vortex98 is smoother.
ive got a integra vtir 95' and filled with shell v power and my fuel level is very low atm and its got 430k's on the clock without the light on. it will probably last another 10 more k's or so i think
I was wondering, does fuel injection cleaner fluid give my car more K's?
I haven't got 450k's from a full tank before, usually low 400's on my dc2.
I've never used fuel injection fluid either before filling up the car.
Hmmm. So confusing. So should I try SHell VPower or Caltex Vortex98 next?
V Power and all other 98 octane fuels have additives which clean ur injectors and engine internals.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC8