Maybe they cant slow them down forever, but they are slowing them down. Its only being done for driver safety etc.
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Maybe they cant slow them down forever, but they are slowing them down. Its only being done for driver safety etc.
yeh having just the two teams running on bridgestones now is a huge disadvantage. I heard the other teams agreed to do less testing in order to assist the bottom end teams and Ferrari said hell no cause there basically the only ones running bridgestones and therefor need the extra time? lol ah well
ahh...3more weeks till san marino :)
3 teams run Bridgestones Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi.
As for the saving money thing.
All the money that it takes to build the car where it is today and then introduce new rules and regulations which makes you ALTER and CHANGE your car means you have to SPEND a lot of money AGAIN to develop the car to suit the rules and regulations.
This is what I don't understand, new engines, new aero development, tyre development etc all adds more and more money to the list.
I doubt very much that anyone can argue against the point.
They really have to look at it and think, "hold on its F1 things should be a technological break through etc" not "we should go back in time"
http://f1total.com/bilder/2005/gp/0503bhr/so/z043.jpg
Shows the twin 'v' radiator that packs them into a tighter space.
Another significant point is the exhaust manifold pointing forwards. This has advantages - allows for tighter bodywork around the gearbox section, it adds the exhaust gas into the air stream further before the rear end (presume less turbulence). With all the cooling air on a F1 car these days leaving the radiators through the top of the sidepods in a variety of ways, this type of manifold does not hinder the cooling system. I'd expect other teams to bring in this type of manifold as soon as they can, if they can take advantage of the style in their current chassis.
Edit: This is the F2005
its not michelins fault that ferrari get special treatment from bridgestone. Ultimately that made teams switch from bridgestone to michelins, and now the michelins have advantages.
The testing rule/agreement was made by the other teams so as to cut costs, which in effect made it a fair and level playing field. Ferrari said no, but i mean who cares, as ITV crew already mentioned, when schumacher cust trulli off to take second at the start of the race, he is brave, when webber does it to fisichella, his an idiot.
Other update(s):
As expected, Red Bull have confirmed that Vitantonio Liuzzi will replace the rather unlucky Christian Klien for the next three grands prix. And then, after the Monaco GP, the team will make another decision as to who will race alongside David Coulthard.
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Have a look at this:
http://www.planet-f1.com/season/team_mate_comparison/#
It is a team-mate comparison.
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BMW Motorsport Director Mario Theissen has again confirmed that the engine manufacturer is looking for a second team to supply engines to in 2006.
^^^ This one is interesting, more kms for BMW to play with or are they looking to give Williams the boot (which was a major rumor) and run a BMW team?
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Oh and this one is hilarious!
Jenson Button can still score his first-ever Formula One victory this season despite a terrible start to the year, according to his BAR boss Nick Fry.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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that pic is nuts....
my mistake for leaving jordan out
yea, but jordan and minardi together wouldn't even be the size of a larger team, so brigdestone have 2 teams if that... well pretty much...
if you know what i mean...
I'm thinking of heading over to Imola for the next round if I can find a flight at a cheap, last-minute price....(can anyone hook me up???)
I wanna see Ferrari's first win of the season!
Jus-10
When i'm in europe the best thing to do is book with an agent over there.
Imola track have there own selling booth as well, you should search the net for it.
hmmmm could this be the turning point ...Quote:
In an exhaustive two-car, three-day, four-driver test at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona this week, BAR Honda broke its own lap record - set over a year ago by Takuma Sato - and completed 719 laps reliably, the equivalent to over 11 Grand Prix distances.
This week's test focused on aerodynamic upgrades, running the latest specification engine from Honda and completing a full evaluation programme with tyre partner Michelin. The test provided a big boost for everyone at BAR Honda who have worked tirelessly on performance improvements for the start of the European season.
Jenson Button and Anthony Davidson started the test on Wednesday driving chassis 007-01 and the new chassis 007-05 respectively. After both drivers completed early set-up runs, Button worked exclusively on aerodynamic upgrade evaluations to complete a total of 109 laps. Davidson concentrated on evaluating tyre options for the Spanish Grand Prix, whilst also running the engine to its target mileage. He completed a very impressive 143 laps.
Button remained in chassis 007-01 on Thursday and continued his aerodynamic evaluation. He completed 141 laps setting the fastest time of the day - a 01:13.552, a new lap record for the Circuit de Catalunya. Takuma joined the test driving chassis 007-05. He spent the early part of the morning on set-up runs, followed by a tyre evaluation which he continued into the afternoon, completing a total of 121 laps. With Sato's programme completed, and making the most of the track time available, Enrique Bernoldi took over for the last ninety minutes working mainly on the set-up of the car, completing 21 laps.
Sato and Bernoldi continued the driving responsibilities on Friday with Sato remaining in chassis 007-05 and Bernoldi moving to chassis 007-01.
With the rain coming down intermittently throughout the day, both drivers ran through an intermediate wet tyre programme. Bernoldi ran for a total of 65 laps taking the engine past its target mileage before it finally failed. He did not run again having completed his day's objectives. By late afternoon, the track had dried sufficiently to move onto grooved tyres and Sato ran through an aerodynamic evaluation. He completed a total of 129 laps today.
Jenson Button
"It was a very busy test this week and I completed 250 laps over the two days. We focused mostly on reliability and aerodynamic work, trying out the new parts on the car, whilst the other car was doing all the tyre testing. The test went reasonably well and we have made a step forward. It's difficult to know how big a step in relation to everybody else but we've tried lots of different parts on the car and think we've found the best way forward. It was nice to break the lap record at the end of the day on Thursday."
Takuma Sato
"It was a very good test this week. We did a lot of working for the aerodynamics and tyres. Mainly I did tyre work on my first day and it's good to see we made some progress with our performance and we are up on the top of the timesheets. Today unfortunately it was raining but we did some encouraging wet tyre testing. It was a bit of a mixture as we had dry runs as well so we tried some different set-ups. It was a very positive test and we need to carry this on to next week at Paul Ricard."
Anthony Davidson
"It was a good day for me on Wednesday as I covered 143 laps, some 663KMS, which is the most laps the team has ever covered around Barcelona on a single day. We concentrated on tyre testing, looking at the option and prime compounds for the Spanish Grand Prix. We got some positive results and the car was handling well all day. I posted a pretty good time towards the end of the session so overall it was a positive day for me."
Enrique Bernoldi
"This is the first test where I have had the opportunity to drive the new B•A•R Honda 007 car properly. I had two short runs yesterday on old tyres before starting this morning in the dry conditions. We started on warm-up runs but the rain came down quite early so we got into our wet test programme which we managed to complete on the intermediate tyres. The new car felt good to drive, it was a better feeling than the Concept car."
Mark Ellis, Chief Test Engineer
"This week has been an extremely positive test for us. The whole team has worked impressively to prepare the cars to the highest standards each day and both cars have proven to be very reliable which has enabled us to get through a huge amount of work. We have worked solidly on the performance of the car and have made definite progress. We will continue this programme at Paul Ricard next week where we will make further preparations and introduce further new parts before the first European race at Imola. This week we have also completed greater than the required two-race event mileage on three different engines, which is a big boost for everyone at Honda. Everyone at B•A•R Honda is working tirelessly to get us back to the front of the grid."
Shuhei Nakamoto, HRD Engineering Director
"We made good progress with the engine this week and will continue pushing forward at Paul Ricard next week."
E.A.
Source BAR Honda
source f1live.com
nice find ^^v, hopefully you're right and it is a turning point.... or at least we might get both cars finishing a race :o
Might be a turn around, I think I heard James or Alan talking to a BAR person during Bahrain and he was saying that they have a whole lot of new stuff coming up until Monaco.
But, who cares about BAR when you can see Ferrari challenge Renault and see GOD SCHUMACHER and not a whinger named Button. :D
BAR are going bad this yr! wonder why..
My opinion is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM.Power
1/ Dave Richards is gone and so are some of the insider guys
2/ They spent way to much time trying to hang onto Jenson
3/ Jenson doesn't want to be there (listen to his comments as of late)
4/ Most teams have stepped up a lot (Renault, McLaren, Williams etc)
5/ BAR just got lucky last year with everyone having such a bad year (basically they had a good, fast, reliable and well set up car)
lol good reasonin jason, makes sense
yeah ur rite about the first 4 points.. and half the the 5th...Quote:
Originally Posted by LUD02C
but i dun think luck had anything to do with the other teams performing shit last year... its lik saying.. oh they're unlucky coz their engine/aero parts r crap :rolleyes:..
there are no excuses in f1 :)
ahahha..jenson hates BAR..
hope he doesnt hate Honda ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM.Power
I think Jenson should be doing everything he can for BAR, mainly to help them for everything they have done for him and for him to prove he is still worthy of the BMW seat.
When I said lucky, I mean BAR was lucky that others were developing there car in 04.
<H2>Mosley out, Stewart in?</H2>Tuesday April 12 2005
Sir Jackie Stewart may be fighting to hold onto his job as president of the British Racing Drivers’ Club, but according to reports he could also soon be fighting Max Mosley for the presidency of the FIA.
According to reports in the Scottish press, Stewart is favoured by 'several national motor racing bodies' who are keen to see Mosley ousted.
And should it come to a battle between Stewart and Mosley, the triple F1 World Champion may also have the backing of the ‘Group of Nine” – the teams who have signed up for a rival series, Grand Prix Racing, that they intend starting in 2008.
A source close the teams told the Scotland on Sunday newspaper that it was "only a matter of time" before Moseley was forced out.
"He’s been imperial about his decision-making to bring in regulations he has imposed which have cost the teams tens of millions of pounds and some of those changes have been shown to have been of no benefit."
Source - Planet F1
thought Jean Todt was takin over from Mosley?
source f1live.comQuote:
Lucky Strike B·A·R Honda continued to set the pace in testing this week with the completion of an intensive two-day, two-car test at the Paul Ricard circuit in France.
Hot on the heels of last week's Barcelona test in which Jenson Button broke the lap record, Takuma Sato and Jenson ended today at the top of the timesheets in first and second places with Takuma setting a new unofficial lap record for the Paul Ricard circuit.
Having completed almost 6000kms of back-to-back testing, the team is confident that it has met its development objectives with the introduction of new aerodynamic upgrades, whilst reliability has also been excellent. In the knowledge that a significant step forward has been achieved, and with all its testing requirements completed in two days rather than the anticipated three, B·A·R Honda took the decision to save a day from its 30 day testing allocation and go home early. The team is looking forward to the first of the European races in Imola, where our 2005 season should really get underway.
Takuma and Enrique began the driving duties on Wednesday with both drivers conducting early set-up runs. Takuma went on to run through an evaluation of further aerodynamic upgrades, completing a total of 137 laps. Enrique concentrated on evaluating tyre options for the San Marino Grand Prix. He completed an impressive total of 182 laps with no reliability issues, which is a new team record for the number of laps completed in one day.
Jenson joined the team on Thursday, taking over from Enrique. He ran through some early set-up runs before completing an evaluation of the new aerodynamic parts, followed by a tyre programme over long runs. Jenson completed a total of 177 laps today setting the second fastest time. Takuma also ran through an intensive tyre evaluation, completing 179 laps and setting the fastest time of the day - a 01:02.839 - a new lap record at Paul Ricard.
Jenson Button
"Today was a very good day. We got through quite a lot and the car has been responding well. We mainly focused on long performance runs and tyre testing and the progress we have shown is encouraging. I am very much looking forward to racing in Imola next week."
Takuma Sato
"It has been a very enjoyable two tests since we came back from Bahrain. We have covered many miles mainly looking at aerodynamic, engine and tyre developments and we seem to have made good progress. Many teams will also improve but we are confident that we have made a good step forward and I'm feeling very positive about the performance of the car. I'm sure we can compete with a very strong race in Imola and am looking forward to the race weekend."
Enrique Bernoldi
"I had a very positive day yesterday and we successfully completed all of our planned test programme. The car felt good and we were right on the pace throughout the day, setting some fast lap times which I really enjoyed. I also made a new team record for the number of laps covered in one day which is very pleasing and helped us to collect a lot of data."
Mark Ellis, Chief Test Engineer
"We have continued the excellent progress made last week in Barcelona with further performance improvements this week. The excellent reliability of the car has enabled us to complete our whole test programme in only two days this week. All our drivers have made positive comments on the improvements to the car since we tested here three weeks ago. Over the two tests since Bahrain we have completed almost 6000kms of testing which has proved extremely encouraging for the team and everyone is optimistic ahead of the first European race at Imola next week. We are also looking forward to testing in Mugello in two weeks time where we will debut further performance parts."
Shuhei Nakamoto, Engineering Director, Honda Racing Development
"We've had two more productive days at Paul Ricard, with some encouraging lap times, and are looking forward to the start of the European season."
Press release
BAR Honda
FINALLY... things r really looking up... :D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
After reading the above and the article on planetF1 I think I might put BAR up there, but to me it always seems they have a great test and then come race day they find a new problem.
I do think Jenson will be in top 4 at Imola.
He won't be able to compete with Michael, Alonso and Juan.
Just some general f1 "gossip" or reading.
'Ferrari interested in Kimi, not Alonso'
If Ferrari had the choice between signing Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen, Jean Todt says the team would choose the latter.
Ferrari will be faced with a difficult decision regarding who will replace Michael Schumacher should the seven-time World Champion retire at the end of next season when his current Ferrari deal expires.
And although there is no one specific driver Ferrari are looking at, Todt has revealed that they do have a few possibilities in mind.
"I certainly don't have a 'stand-by-Schumacher' who could suddenly jump in," the Frenchman told Bild am Sonntag.
"But we're not sleeping. There are several talented drivers. They all have contracts."
However, contrary to recent media reports, Fernando Alonso is not Ferrari's hot favourite to replace Schumacher, despite the Renault driver having won two of this year's opening three races.
"Who keeps saying we want Alonso?" Todt added.
"He's got talent, okay. But there are other drivers, even very good ones. I can tell you this: Alonso is not at the top of our list."
"Even if this may not sound very respectful to Alonso, I consider a young man who drives for a German-English team to be the better choice.”
When asked by the German newspaper if the driver he was referring to was McLaren’s Kimi Raikkonen, Todt smiled and said: "Next question."
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Schumi: 'I have nothing to lose'
Expect to witness Michael Schumacher embroiled in a few dogfights this weekend at Imola because the German goes into the race with "nothing to lose."
Schumacher already trails Championship leader Fernando Alonso by 24 points after three races and by his own admission unless he starts winning soon, his grip of the Drivers' title is going to start slipping.
However, unlike some who say it has already slipped, Schumacher claims it's too early to make such statements.
"There is no doubt about this: our objective is to begin winning again and I think we have a good chance," said the German.
"The World Championship, despite the opinion of some pessimists, has not yet been decided. Twenty four points seem like a lot but it is not impossible to catch up."
"We should remember that events have gone in Fernando Alonso's favour so far this season. We cannot take it for granted that things will always be like this."
"Alonso will have to begin thinking about the championship and act differently on certain occasions, keeping out of trouble in order to earn precious points."
"I, on the other hand, have nothing to lose. I can only attack and press on. All the other drivers can take more risks than he can."
And after completing two success intense test programmes as two different circuits, Mugello and Fiorano, last week, Schumacher is confident he can return to winning ways at the San Marino GP.
"I must say we made some really good progress. The F2005 was very good right from the start, but now we understand the car much better and know how to deal with any problems that may arise. We perfected it and also improved the aerodynamics," he told The Telegraph.
"Reliability is one of our strongest areas of expertise and the technical failure in Bahrain was my first since 2001, so that's not really something we're overly concerned about. I think we've solved that problem."
He added: "I think our winning potential is very high with this car, and we're not worried any more about the problems regarding reliability that came up in Bahrain."
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Gascoyne targets race wins for Toyota
Having twice finished second on the podium this season, Mike Gascoyne says it's only a matter of time before Toyota are winning races.
Toyota driver Jarno Trulli has had a fantastic start to the year. He began both the Malaysian and Bahrain GP’s second on the grid and went on to the finish the races in P2 as well.
The Italian’s performances have boosted Toyota’s confidence and Gascoyne, who is largely responsible for Toyota’s progress, believes the team’s maiden win isn’t too far off.
"A lot of people are saying: 'Can you win a race?' Well, why not?" he told BBC Sport.
"We've finished the last two races behind (Renault's) Fernando Alonso. If he'd retired, we'd have won both."
However, the 42-year-old does concede that it won’t be easy for Toyota as there are other teams that are also capable of winning races.
"Ferrari will come up and win races, for sure," the 42-year-old said.
"McLaren will probably win a race or two. But if they win a race, Toyota will probably win two or three."
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Formula One outfit Jordan look certain to stay on in Britain after their new owners bought the team's wind tunnel.
There were fears Jordan may leave their Silverstone base after Russian-born Canadian Alex Shnaider and his Midland group bought out Eddie Jordan over the winter.
Shnaider is keen to use the team to promote his homeland and Russia was touted as a possible new home for Jordan, while links with Italian chassis manufacturer Dallara also hinted at a move away from Britain.
But the announcement that Midland have bought Jordan's wind tunnel facility in Brackley - and are planning to invest heavily in upgrading it - suggests Shnaider is committed to having a base in Britain.
Jordan managing director Colin Kolles, said: "The acquisition of the wind tunnel facility in Brackley is definitely the right way to go for our team and this will help us make a big step forward."
"Moreover, we will also be continuing the technical collaboration with Dallara to have a better car in 2006."
Sporting director Trevor Carlin added: "We are very pleased that the purchase of the wind tunnel has now gone through.
"It is a crucial addition to our technical department and hopefully it will help us to build a much more successful 2006 car."
Jordan have struggled this season after financial problems over the winter meant their 2005 car lacked development when Midland took over.
montoya aint racing this weekend again :( so now its alex wurz's (spelling) turn
Imola should be a good race. will be interesting to see how good BAR and Ferrari do.
Quote:
Jenson Button ended first practice for this weekend's San Marino Grand Prix with the second fastest time of the day, clear signs of a much more competitive BAR Honda 007 racecar and the promise of plenty more to come through the weekend.
Also buoyed by the improvements made to the 007 package, team-mate Takuma Sato posted the sixth fastest time of the morning session, although traffic for much of the afternoon session caused him to slip to tenth in the timesheets by the close of the first day's running.
source f1live.comQuote:
Ferrari driver Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello recorded the sixth and seventh fastest times respectively in today's second practice session at Imola.
Michael Schumacher
“We are looking competitive compared to the others, which is a good sign for the rest of the weekend. The car seems to be very strong in most areas and today went well. I am happy with the handling and I had a well balanced car right from the start of the first session, which meant we could get a lot of work done. It is important at this track to have a car with good brakes and one that rides well over the kerbs and the F2005 seems to do that. BAR’s performance was interesting, but we need to know if they were running at race pace or if they were on a light fuel load. I think we can be confident for qualifying and the race.”
lookin good so far for BAR... :thumbsup:
After the major success of BAR's test days and seeing them top the charts in practice they have improved a lot.
But have they done enough to beat the Toyotas?
Talk of changing qualifying AGAIN is under way at Imola.
i wanna see takuma sato get a podium this year...
hopefully there wont be anymore mechincal failures for BAR in imola...
what time is the race gonna be aired on telly?
http://img3.picsplace.to/img3/1771/wdf.JPG
... hmmm does honda BAR plan on racing 1 hr after everyone else has started the race? lol ... new aerokit + engine package must be superfast !
lol kenshin!
btw...kimi is flying through the race...just watched the first 2 laps on my satelitte an kimi is flying! webber had a bad start an fell down 2 5th spot
You bastard, its just about to start on tv and I had to read this thread :thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM.Power
Oh well, no major harm done.
i reckon we should start a new f1 thread... 17 pages is getting abit long now...
yeah i know its not big thats why i posted it up!!
good to see BAR back in the points and on the podium...
tad dissapointed that jenson couldnt hold on to 2nd due to williams backmarkers but made for a thrilling showdown between michael and alonso...
and that takumi sato couldnt hold onto 3rd...
2nd 3rd finish for BAR would've been ever so sweet...
oh well *looks forward to the next race now...*
I was thinking the same thing, consider this thread closed and new F1 thread will be called "F1 Discussion thread"Quote:
Originally Posted by kenshin