No I don't believe it is only the auto, I think the manual responds in the same way, except when it omes to changing gears obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
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No I don't believe it is only the auto, I think the manual responds in the same way, except when it omes to changing gears obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
man i always go redline at leat 3 times per day....
guilty as charged your honour
so how can i get my euro to "reset" so to speak
Drive the car sedately & the car will learn your driving style. It won't take long, but if you don't put the gas pedal to the floor, you will find that the throttle won't make the car leap off the line. A number of people have made mention in various threads about how sensative the throttle can be off the line. It's because the car thinks that you want it to be.
If you drive the car sedately the car will use less fuel, makes sense really when you think about it.
Does that mean that if you're granny footed, the gears take longer to change when you plant the accelerator?
In theory the answer would be yes. The car reacts to changes in the way you drive it fairly quickly, so if you have been 'grannying' around town & all of a sudden you wanted to get stuck in, it would take a couple of changes before the car reacts differently. The changes we are talking about are only small. Things like the throttle response & the way the engine produces the power & in the auto, the way the box changes gear. All good stuff. :honda:Quote:
Originally Posted by nexace
Thanks Eurotony! I've been taking it easy during the run in stage but after I get the first service done, I'll start pushing it a bit harder after the car is properly warmed up. :thumbsup:
From memory, doesnt the car remember the last 40 gear changes and adjusts from there?
Update: I was out at OZHonda meets on Friday and Saturday, and I drove over 200km in total. Lots of throttle and shifting at 5000rpm (and 7000rpm too). Well, I just refilled today with a distance of 391km. The amount of petrol filled was 34.08L! I thought the pump stopped early, so I pressed again and it filled for only a few seconds. I pulled out the nozzle and saw that the petrol was not going down past the flap so it must have been full to the brim! So I got 8.7L /100km with aggressive city driving and this is the first time in my 13000km of driving the Euro where I have come upon such a low fuel consumption for such aggressive driving!
Invite :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
look in UPCOMING EVENTS section of the forum...all the cruise organisations are there :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrarista
I am not sure if I should open a new thread or post it in here.
I went to Rapco one day and saw a video, promoting this product call vaporate. It is suppose to save fuel after you install it in the car. There is a web link:
http://www.vaporate.com/main.php
Any though about this product? Is it worth installing? :confused:
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Originally Posted by aaronng
To add to my previous posting about the Liberty - have been driving a bit further now since the ECU reset which was done at the last oil change 600kms ago. The trip computer has settled on 8.6L/100km of 10% highway and 90% city roughly. So it sounds like the Liberty and Euro are very similar in this respect.
It should work for older cars where the injectors were not as efficient. But for newer cars, I don't think it would give as large a benefit when compared to older cars. At least it sounds more plausible than magnets in the fuel line or metal fins in the intake. However, I don't like the idea of preheating my fuel to 80ºC before spraying it in. I'm sure it would be ok since the fuel would cool down after spraying.
Only 1 thing though, they don't make it for the Euro (nor for any Honda). No Hondas in the upcoming vehicle list either.
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Originally Posted by eurosp
My Euro is due for her service next month too. Hope that fuel consumption will improve when I switch from mineral oil over to synthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by shane
i usually do, somehow i missed it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
Next time there is a meet (usually every 2 weeks), I'll make a post in the Accord forums. (and suffer punishment from the mods :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrarista
Hi everyone :wave:
I just filled my brand new Auto Euro and got 9.8l/100klm from very spirited driving with about 10% highway.
I say "spirited" because I wanted to feel what this Vtec thing was that I've been reading about for so many years.
To say I was impressed is an understatement. I loved it so much I couldn't keep the needle away from it (the tacho needle that is) :D
My 1.8l auto astra got regular 10 - 12 l/100klm and it didn't get driven as hard as what I drove the Euro
I'm very impressed with the fuel usage :thumbsup:
P.S. This is the "right" way to break my car in isn't it? (I mean driving it like I stole it!)
Hi msnealo! You new on this forums? Welcome!
I broke in my car by giving the engine load. No babying at all. But of course, I let the engine warm up for 1 minute before driving off and then kept below 3000rpm without lugging the engine until the temperature needle showed that the was warmed up.
My gf has the 1.8L astra auto too! I was driving it for 2 years before I got my Euro. Same observations there!
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Hey, thanks mate, I wasn't looking carefully. Didn't know its not for Honda.
I keep a record of all fuel consumption. My Accord is the 2005 euro manual. On the last 8 fills the average is 7.64 based on shut off at the first click on the bowser. I pretty much exclusively use BP Premium (98 octane). The car has just over 8,000km and our best consumption is 6.44 by my, competitive,wife. These figures reflect country driving at around 70kph to 100kph on mostly light traffic roads in addition I would say 50% of the kms are on the expressway at an indicated 120kph for at least 1 hour to 1.25 hours. Yes I know it is ideal driving and I do see 6000rpm regularly. I am very happy with this as I have performance( Macquarie pass) as well as economy. My worst consumption figure is 8.27 Litres/100kms. :D
Model: 2006 Standard 6spd MT
Mods that could impact consumption: None.
Kms: 856kms
Highway kms estimate %: 0% (100% city driving - incl. peak hour Sydney CBD)
Average Consumption over life of car: 10.60L/100kms
Fuel used: 98 octane ONLY
^ i find that very hard to believe.......
not saying that its not true but damn if that IS true.......very good consumption
for city driving i got 520 MAX and all its ever run on over the duration of its life was 98 octane too....
520kms for 65 litres or 520kms to the low fuel light?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
520kms for 65 litres is quite bad even for 100% city in the 6mt.
It is so hard to judge if this is good consumption. There is city driving and there is city driving and waiting and crawling etc. I am getting 7.6 to 8 on 75% country expressway and 25% free moving city driving. So are you driving in peak hours or just city driving off peak? Mine is a 2005 manual and has 15,000kms getting more flexible and smoother by the thousand km.Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
Adagio
520 to the low fuel lightQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
keep in mind i have a CAI + exhaust installed and also big rims which contribute to the fuel consumption
so that means you are getting around the same consumption as corn_flakes - 10 to 10.5 litres in the cityQuote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
If it is in Sydney, it will be slow traffic! LOL. I get 9.5L/100km with crossing the tunnel to Chatswood and back 3 times a week as well as city driving. If I don't take the tunnel and stay in the city, it's 10.5L/100km.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adagio
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Originally Posted by corn_flakes
856Kms but 10.60K/100Kms?
How big is your Euro's tank? :D
81 Litres?
I think he meant the car has done 856km's, as in it's brand new.
Oh ok sorry wasn't reading it like that.
So he's 'just' on his 2nd tank I would imagine. :)
lol that's right...only the 2nd tank, i've had the car for 3 weeks
first tank was 98 octane from mobil...current tank is 98 caltex vortex...
but yeh, i would say i drive 70% in peak hour traffic, 30% normal flow traffic.....
but you know what the sydney CBD is like even off peak hours, it's still busy....not as bad, but still alot of stop and go...
dunno how to work it out but i get 600km b4 fuel light comes on then it takes about 50 litres to top it up can't complain about that fuel consumption beat's my my03 liberty which i used the same 98 ron fuel on as well
Not bad. That's 8.33L/100km!Quote:
Originally Posted by as001
6.64L/100km [~172km per day, (approx 40km city, 132km H'way) on Optimax Extreme (100oct)]
Shifting at or below 3000rpm, and staying in 6th @60km/h (approx 1500rpm), and only using partial throttle wherever possible.
Let's set some workable standard here. I have found the only practical way to judge fuel consumption is to fill to the first "click" write it down and the litres taken, ensuring you have 4 digits, delete the decimal point and divide by the number of kms travelled, e.g on 11/3/2006 I took 47.86 litres after driving 603 kms that gives me 7.94 litres per 100 kms.THEN take an average of, say 4 fill ups. That figure I used as an example is about average and is mostly at an actual (GPS configured) 115kmh (indicated on speedo 120kmh) for 75% of the time. I am not complaining :)
For those who want to explain all this to your grandparent in MPG then use the following formula. KMs divided by litres multiplied by 2.825 = MPG. I hope all this will generate some more realistic figures for this thread -- fascinating!!
Adagio
Model: 5AT
Mods that could impact consumption: Rear spoiler
Kms: 1800
Highway kms: 5%
Average Consumption over life of car: 10.8l/100km*
* According to the whizz bang second trip computer but according to fuel receipts more like 12l/100km - will monitor this.
Also, comment from other Auto Euro owners on city fuel consumption. Obviously the Auto is going to be worse, particularly in stop-go traffic but I have had figures for a tankful of up to 15l/100km. Since the first service this appears to have improved, and I know the car is still running in so things may improve slightly but OMG in traffic this car is a joke, may as well have a big aussie six! On the highway it is excellent. Drove 500km round trip when I first got the car and averaged 7l/100km which was fantastic. It's just like owning a car that has multi personality disorder I tell you.
I can appreciate the need for an auto in city driving so I am glad that I still have two legs and an open road down here. 15 L per 100 is not good so I sympathise with your plight. As you say on the open road it is a very different car. I suggest you wait for at least 14,000kms as I have found my manual Euro became much more flexible at this distance. The engine has become more, umm, creamy and very flexible. I often mooch along in 6th at 2,000 on undulating roads, which is about 80kmh or so.
Adagio
When in the city, don't use 1/2-full throttle for take off. Use instead 1/4 throttle. You might accelerate only slightly slower (in my case, slower than a camry 2.2L auto) but you will save fuel and get 11.5-12L/100km. In the end, you'll be stopping at the next traffic light anyway.
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Model: 2004 Standard 6spd MT
Mods that could impact consumption: None.
Kms: 35,613 kms
Highway kms estimate %: 0% (100% city driving - incl. peak hour Melb CBD)
about 40% freeway and 60% suburban streets
Average Consumption over life of car: 9.46L/100kms
Fuel used: Alternate between 95 & 98 octane
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Best Economy: 8.63L/100Kms
Worst Economy: 9.91L/100Kms
To Cornflakes: Your fuel economy should improve after about 6 months and then again after 12 months. After that it should settle.
2003 Std 6MT
Mods: N/A
Kms: ~40,000
100% city driving (peak hour everywhere - stop and go)
Shell Optimax fuel used every week
Avg. Fuel economy: 10.4L/100km
Best fuel economy: 10.1L/100km
Manual Standard, No Mods 2005 model.
Bets on a trip: 8.2L per hundred Probably sitting on 110km or so on duel hwy. Some air con on.
Worst in town: 10.9 per hundred, driving with enthusiam. :p
Its a very economical car, just depends on the driver.
Im 100% its capable of 7L per hundred km if taking it very easy and no air con.
haha yeh, you notice how fuel economy improves, and drops below 10L/100kms when u don't have air con and drive like a normal person...
weather was much hotter in syd a few weeks ago...so i had the a/c on alot of the time....
i also got booked about 2 weeks ago doing 91 in a 60 zone....fcuking undercover cops.... :o
so yeh, after that, i wasn't speeding much, didn't have the air con on alot of the time...and my fuel economy dropped to around 9.5L/100kms...
it's slowly rising for the last few days to 9.8L/100km because i haven't been driving it (catching the train)...so it's just a short 1km drive, and we all know how much petrol short drives uses..
also, i noticed that when we first start up our engines in the euro, our engines rev at around 1500rpm, and slowly drops to around 800....i'm guessing that's a normal feature yah? coz if it aint :eek:
i think thats normal when you first start up the engine as it has happened to many of the cars i have driven which dont just include hondas
was wondering does the fan in the euro affect fuel consumption?
i have been using it alot opposed to air con because it feels just as cold as the ac
a few friends and relatives have commented they like the fan as it feels as cold as ac!
LOL. When the Euro is set to fan ON - the aircon is actually working!
You have to press the AC button so that it displays AC OFF. Unless the display shows that the AC is OFF like this then it is actually working and you are using about 0.6 to 1L/100 km of fuel.
So its no surprise that it feels as cold. When you have the AC OFF - you'll see that the air is quite a bit warmer and more humid :)
hahahahhaha
yeh, i find that annoying....sometimes i just want the fan on, but everytime u put it on the a/c goes on automatically as well...
even if u turn the a/c off....and then turn the fan back on, it goes on too :confused:
wow thanks for that info!
was wondering why it was so cold lol!
and does it really make that much of a difference - up to 1L/100km :eek:
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Model: 2006 Standard 6spd MT
Mods that could impact consumption: None.
Kms: 000,650kms (10 days old)
Highway kms estimate: 50%
Average Consumption over life of car: 12.0L/100kms
Fuel used: First fill 95, second fill 98 Caltex
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Best Economy: 11.1L/100Kms (now)
Worst Economy: 14.0L/100Kms (new)
...high consumption is normal for a new car yeah? It goes down a little bit everyday.
Try driving a whole tank without using the AC at all. You'll be surprised at what the overall fuel consumption is. I guarantee you that it'll be almost that if you use it full time normally (like I do).Quote:
Originally Posted by chunsa
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Originally Posted by EuroDude
hmm, odd...
even mine wasn't that high when i got it....i did 100% city driving (not even the motorway)...and go figures around an average of 10.5L
I tend to keep the revs up like I did with my Civic - guess have to get used to the extra torque and bump it up a gear using lower revs. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
City driving in sydney...
in peak hours.. and i'm pretty aggressive sometmes *cough*
14-15L/100km consumption, fuelling up 55L, but i also remain in high rev's here and then anticipating the opening for an overtake...
But like i say.. that's when i'm pretty aggressive.. otherwise.. it's around the 11L in city peak traffic.. heaps better on some smooth motorway runs,
Doing the motorway you can improve it heaps..
aircon is always on, nearly 30,000km on the clock.
You drive aggressive with the AC on? Doesnt the engine's power jolt down alot? Or do you turn off AC when you give it a boot?
aircon is always on.. i rarely turn it off, even when i have sunroof or window open it's on.. it's always running on 23 degree's.
only if really really want to give it a good boot everything goes off, aircon and radio - but that's rare.
Last long road trip I did (Warrnambool - wollongong) I managed 6.9L / 100kms for one stretch - roughly 50L worth of fuel. That whole trip I was getting 7.xL or better /100kms :)
Better yet I wasn't giving it any special treatment - air con stayed on, gave it a bootful for every overtake etc :angel:
Oct05 Manual Std @ 12000kms
I just got back from a little Easter road trip. North Brisbane-Kingaroy-Hervey Bay-Gympie-North Brisbane. 753km travelled over two main legs with stop start driving in between (short trip cold starts included). When I filled up (just because fuel was cheap otherwise I would have kept going to see how far I could get out of the tank) I had only used 51.36 litres. That's 6.8ish l/100km. That includes the first 40km taking 90 minutes thanks to lovely Easter traffic, following caravans and boats up and down both Daguilar and Bunya ranges, the bumpy twisty sometimes one lane 150km stretch through Murgon from Kingaroy inland to Maryborough and air-con on 90% of the time. All I can say is this car is certainly a much different beast once the cat is warmed up! MY06 Euro Auto STD.
My fuel consumption has changed since I moved work to city.
I travel around 15km to the Brisbane CBD area and it's pretty much bumper-to-bumper traffic all the way. I'm averaging around 9.2L/100km
It's gone up about 1L-1.5L compared to before when my work wasn't in CBD.
I think it's still excellent considering it's stop and go traffic 90% of the time.
hmm ur fuel consumtion figures are good, the best i've gotten out of the s2k is 9.8/100 the strange thing was that, that figure was achieved on a cruise where the average revs for me were 5-6k, i guess we didnt do much stop-start at all but i hit vtec a hell of a lot, so im not sure whats up...
There is nothing wrong with your consumption figures using those revs. My revs while cruising are 2,900 at an indicated 120kmh or 114kmh actual hence theQuote:
Originally Posted by ROLLED
8 litres/100kms or slightly less.
Those are brilliant consumption figures and indicative of a steady light throttle, umm mostly.
I did a comparison test between my Euro Accord 2005 15,000kms and my wife's Peugeot 405 SRDT (diesel) 1993 270,000kms. The Peugeot is $1.88 per 100 kms cheaper to run,on todays fuel prices, but not as much fun.
The Peugeot must be very economical then since diesel is so much more expensive these days.
Hi, I just finished my super Easter road trip to run-in my brand new car (9km on it).
Canberra->Sydney->Newcastle->Hunter Valley->Coff's Habour->Byron Bay->Brisbane->Sydney->Canberra
Totalling: 3300km (sheesh only got the car for 10 days, service tommorrow)
This car achieved amazing fuel economy for me :)
Lowest: 6.3L/100km
Highest: 11L/100km
I almost did the return trip Brisbane->Sydney in 1 single tank of 65L. Good stuff :thumbsup:
Hope your 1000km compulsory service is ok at 3300km, otherwise it may void your warranty.
My consumption was 13L/100 initially, but at 1800km its bumped down to 10L/100km. Hopefully it will lower to 9.1L/100 soon :)
Yeah it';s fine, I checked with the dealer beforehand and they had a car that did the 1st service at 5500km and they said it';s fine.
OMG i pumped Optimax last nite, and i did the calcs - i obtained 12.4L/100km.
All that city driving and it being an auto reaally is a killa.
I'm in the same boat and get exactly the same economy (or lack of). According to the specs the auto is meant to be only 0.1 higher than the manual but in reality it's closer to 1.0-2.0.
Driving like a Atelope on speed in my 6sp this week. Got 9.5L per hundred all in town. Man its sweet to have a 6sp with fuel this high!
That's because those fuel economy numbers are tested while cruising on the highway and in the suburbs under as low a load as possible (very little acceleration). So the numbers you get are not representative with actual fuel consumption. Because of the torque convertor sacrificing revs for torque when driving under load in real life situations, the actual fuel consumption is much higher for autos than manuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
Model: Euro Lux manual
Mods that could impact consumption: nil
Kms: 15,500kms
Highway kms steady 120kph 30% 90kph+ 40%
Average Consumption over life of car: 7.95 litres per 100km :) .
The car is totally stock standard and the average consumption shown is based on 34 fill ups from 11/6/05 to 31/3/06. GPS corrected speed from an indicated 120kph comes in at 114 -115kph. As I live in the Southern Highlands NSW, the car has a very easy life. I hit 5,000 - 6,000 rpm perhaps 4 times a week. The rest of time I am cruising at fairly low revs between 2,000 and 3,000. On the highway it is an indicated 2,900rpm for up to an hour in 6th with no gear changes. Lowest consumption figure was in January with 6.42 l/100km when my wife drove it for a few days on the highway.
Adagio
That's excellent fuel economy. I wish I got a manual now (oh and wish I could drive a manual as well)
Bet you bought the auto so your wife could drive it ;) The French had the right idea they figured unless you had only one leg why drive an auto. OK, OK before I get run out of town that French quote was made in the 1950's when traffic congestion was unherad of.
Adagio
The Euro's Manual 'box is so slick, heck even a monkey could drive it :D
Ive done ~2000km and I'm still stuck at around 9.8L/km even when in 6th on the highway (according to the trip comp).
Guess the engine is still wearing-in.
LOL, well yes and no. She too only drives an auto but when I got my license back when I was 17 I got an auto only license cause I was really lazy and didn't have the interest in cars that I do now. Regret it now though and just don't have the time to learn manual. I'll I know about manual is you have to put the clutch in to change gears ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adagio
hehe I managed to get 6.7L/km today driving in Oil-Crisis mode. On a full tank, it showed 740km->Refuel on the trip computer.
Basically I used 6th gear everywhere in 50km-90km zones (5th when going uphill), and only used 1st and/or 2nd gear to accelerate from lights.
Downhill start: 2nd->6th
Flat start: 1st->2nd->6th
Uphill start: 1st->2nd->5th
freakin sweet... :honda:
I wouldn't use 6th at 50kph even if it is flat. You are putting a huge stress load on the engine at those low revs. I don't use 6th unless it is 80kph+. On the Euro you will not hear the engine lug like many other cars (it will just accelerate slowly). Don't be deceived into thinking that this means the engine is not under stress.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Your manual says the suggested gear change speeds - don't go lower than those IMO.
It seems alright to me. I didnt accelerate in 6th at low speed, it was just coasting so its all good :thumbsup: Obvioulsy if I needed to accelerate or start hill climbing, I would bump it down in gear.
I mean I'm not going to do it all the time, I just wanted to see what the lowest possible consumption was. ;)
Just leave it in the normal gear - the Euro shuts off the injectors when you are not on the pedal anyway (so I am told - leading to that jerk some people dislike so much) - so whether you are in 6th or 4th it shouldn't make a difference.
Bit confused...
Does Coasting mean keeping the throttle steady to maintain the same speed? Or does coasting mean letting the car engine-brake with no throttle?
Yea I notice the jerk when I lift off the throttle (injectors cutting off), but keeping it steady seems normal, as does accelerating despite the slight delay.
So coasting at a steady speed does use fuel, otherwise the car would slow down if the fuel was cut off, therefore coasting in 6th uses less fuel than in 4th due to lower rpm.
I didn't know that it cuts off the fuel injectors, that's quite interesting. I think I might coast up to lights/stop signs more often. I always wondering what the "jerk" was. I feel like I've learnt something today.
Coasting usually means you are in neutral or the clutch is pressed. I wasn't meaning to refer to coasting - I was more trying to say that when you are off the throttle don't worry about whether you are in 6th or 4th. Sorry for the confusion - forget i said coasting - I will delete that word in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
And Billzor - it will definately help fuel consumption if you can roll to a stop as far away as possible without touching the pedal. The more you are off that accelerator the better - I think that goes without saying!