Springs vs Coilovers

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

coilovers are for stance

shock and spring combo for bouncy stance

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chopped springs for ballin on a budget stance

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Originally Posted by CRXDEL501

Lol get over yourself
Mr police officer

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The only thing I'm worried about 'getting over' is the grief of losing a loved one to somebody who drives like an idiot on public roads.

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Originally Posted by amant02

What i do with my cars and my life is up to me bud. And this was @ 3am on a quiet road fkn pot holes.

lithhug, i hill and toed's around a coner cause the car go side ways while hitting a pot hole. made the car flip 3 times in the air landing perfectly in between telegraph pole and a school zone sign, cracked the wishbone and front passenger side rotor cracked in 1/2. No dmg to the coils thou.

i like to test how fast i can go around a corner :D

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If you were going fast enough that you couldn't avoid a pothole despite your car's 'go-kart handling', and fast enough that a pothole was enough to get your car airborne, then it's not up to you, it's up to everybody who pays for and uses our roads.

I don't care how quiet the roads are, they are no ****ing place to be 'testing' how fast you can go around a corner. Clearly, if you're putting the back wheels out on your FWD hatchback, you're driving like an idiot. Track days are cheap, for Christ's sake.


P.S. It's 'heel and toed', not 'hill and toed's'. As in, the heel of your foot? You know, the foot that should be stuck up your arse.

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Originally Posted by Indie

The only thing I'm worried about 'getting over' is the grief of losing a loved one to somebody who drives like an idiot on public roads.



If you were going fast enough that you couldn't avoid a pothole despite your car's 'go-kart handling', and fast enough that a pothole was enough to get your car airborne, then it's not up to you, it's up to everybody who pays for and uses our roads.

I don't care how quiet the roads are, they are no ****ing place to be 'testing' how fast you can go around a corner. Clearly, if you're putting the back wheels out on your FWD hatchback, you're driving like an idiot. Track days are cheap, for Christ's sake.


P.S. It's 'heel and toed', not 'hill and toed's'. As in, the heel of your foot? You know, the foot that should be stuck up your arse.

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I'm sure he drives sensibly was just mucking around

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Originally Posted by amant02

What i do with my cars and my life is up to me bud. And this was @ 3am on a quiet road fkn pot holes.

lithhug, i hill and toed's around a coner cause the car go side ways while hitting a pot hole. made the car flip 3 times in the air landing perfectly in between telegraph pole and a school zone sign, cracked the wishbone and front passenger side rotor cracked in 1/2. No dmg to the coils thou.

Original thread starter: Only people that dont recommend tiens are the tight ass's who havn't had them yet. Personally i rather spend more on handling then speed or sound. Up to you what u wanna do your car. Suspension work>Power if its a daily.


i like to test how fast i can go around a corner :D

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you shouldn't be openly admitting to this on a public forum either bud

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Originally Posted by CRXDEL501

I'm sure he drives sensibly was just mucking around

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Originally Posted by Indie

The only thing I'm worried about 'getting over' is the grief of losing a loved one to somebody who drives like an idiot on public roads.



If you were going fast enough that you couldn't avoid a pothole despite your car's 'go-kart handling', and fast enough that a pothole was enough to get your car airborne, then it's not up to you, it's up to everybody who pays for and uses our roads.

I don't care how quiet the roads are, they are no ****ing place to be 'testing' how fast you can go around a corner. Clearly, if you're putting the back wheels out on your FWD hatchback, you're driving like an idiot. Track days are cheap, for Christ's sake.


P.S. It's 'heel and toed', not 'hill and toed's'. As in, the heel of your foot? You know, the foot that should be stuck up your arse.

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HAHA relax dude, don't needa be telling others what they should be doing with their cars. no matter what you say people will do what they want. true story.jpeg

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Originally Posted by trism

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Can't see your gif

Shame.

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Originally Posted by Super-DA9

HAHA relax dude, don't needa be telling others what they should be doing with their cars. no matter what you say people will do what they want. true story.jpeg

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Whiles true, that I don't give a damn about what an idiot chose to do and how much he values his life, imagine what would have happened if there was a pedestrian who just happened to be in the stop he landed, or if he hit the power pole, the street would have had to put up with a day without electricity, or perhaps there was a parked car there or that if instead of flipping, his car jumped, understeered, and went straight into the corner house. He might reckon his life is worth shit, but doesn't mean he should risk those of others.

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Originally Posted by ChaosMaster

Whiles true, that I don't give a damn about what an idiot chose to do and how much he values his life, imagine what would have happened if there was a pedestrian who just happened to be in the stop he landed, or if he hit the power pole, the street would have had to put up with a day without electricity, or perhaps there was a parked car there or that if instead of flipping, his car jumped, understeered, and went straight into the corner house. He might reckon his life is worth shit, but doesn't mean he should risk those of others.

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although you say that probably 90% of people on here drive spiritedly sometimes anyway. and even the people that don't will have taken some hard corners at some point in their life. so its not like he's the only person.

not sayin' i support anything in particular, but thats the way it is i suppose. telling them they are idiots won't make a difference if thats how they want to drive.

Dont even worry about it ay
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Originally Posted by charliebrown

Go springs... i can't stand coilovers. Springs was uncomfortably bouncy, but coilovers frickin hurt. 2nd hand king springs $100 win

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did u try adjusting the dampers, the only difference between coils and springs is that the coils have the ability to control bouncy ness. if its not bouncy enough its just hard.

Incorrect. Not all coilovers are damper adjustable.

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Originally Posted by CRXDEL501

I'm sure he drives sensibly was just mucking around

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Originally Posted by amant02

lithhug, i hill and toed's around a coner cause the car go side ways while hitting a pot hole.

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WTF? Heel toe does not cause your car to go sideways in a corner. Overspeed and then hitting the brakes mid corner does that. You need to go do advanced driver training.

i think.. it was a fail heel toe, didn't rev enough, got a massive forward weight transfer and spun :S

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Originally Posted by Indie

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Go to bed

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Originally Posted by aaronng

WTF? Heel toe does not cause your car to go sideways in a corner. Overspeed and then hitting the brakes mid corner does that. You need to go do advanced driver training.

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Depending on type of vehicle and set up, but this is a general rule for Hondas.

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Originally Posted by newpaddy3

Depending on type of vehicle and set up, but this is a general rule for Hondas.

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Also applies to RWD, weight transfer to the front when in a high speed corner just causes the rear tyres to lose grip.

amant02 is either a troll, judging from his other posts

or just a retard

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Originally Posted by CRXDEL501

Go to bed

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Champ, most other people here seem to agree that the guy can't drive. Why are you so defensive about it? Did you wreck your CRX on a pothole, too?

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Also applies to RWD, weight transfer to the front when in a high speed corner just causes the rear tyres to lose grip.

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Yeah I know, that's why I said depending on the type of vehicle.

I've done 2 defensive driving courses, and a drifting course for them mad skills brah.

I thought braking mid corner in any car caused awkward combinations of oversteer and understeer depending on brake bias?

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Originally Posted by curtis265

I thought braking mid corner in any car caused awkward combinations of oversteer and understeer depending on brake bias?

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Tires can only apply a certain amount of grip, and depending on the weight bias of the car (front vs rear) and the weight transfer under braking around a corner, will determine if you will under steer or over steer.

In a DC2, in most circumstances will over steer.

In a BA Falcon, in most circumstances you will under steer.

I know because I've done it with both of these cars.

You also need to take into account the quality of your tires.

Yes it was fail heel and toe. And i dont do this on a daily basis. And yes im a troll bahaha i only come on ozhonda wen about change cars lol, or in the market for a new part. Yes i spun on the ground a few times due to my 'learning'. Since im getting serious about trying to attempt corners at high speed ill be investing money to track soon when i have a 'real' car to track in. 1st two corners were done perfectly that night. I was alone and it was wet in a newly developed industrial area with minimal buildings where roads a 4 lanes wide each side :D. Fyi public forum oh who cares its online and this happened just over a year ago and im just trolling till i find a car for my gf and bye bye ozhonda till next time i need something :D might not even come back after this car full license soon lad! *blow off valve sound*

Tread starter go coils man, honestly if you go springs your just wasting good 300 bucks that could go towards a set of coils, personal exp. I was once on a budget doing up cars too. Do it right the 1st time around the secret to saving money and backyard space lol


And oh to the hater, its my life at the end of the day, what do you care if i die (imma die sooner or later)? Will you be at me funeral? ya bud i don't think so.

Hopefully you learn from your mistake and dont endanger yourself or others if you can help it.

Most here like to play the angel angle as if they never did anything dumb in their youth/life but reality is a different matter :)

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Originally Posted by amant02

And oh to the hater, its my life at the end of the day, what do you care if i die (imma die sooner or later)? Will you be at me funeral? ya bud i don't think so.

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I assume you mean me? Well, while it's fair to say that your death wouldn't affect me on any emotional level, your attitude does. People like you dying on the roads gives the rest of us a bad name. I don't want to be considered a moron simply because I drive a Honda, but people like you contribute to the perception that P platers and Honda drivers are a bunch of reckless ****s who simply can't drive for shit.

Hey wats the point of buying a honda if u aren't gonna hit vtec at all, its the high revving thats giving you a 'bad name'. Might as well go buy a camry which gives u the safety and more torque and power lol. Dont come on here and act like you hvnt vtec'd in your car at all, and i have attended Traffic Offenders Program, before you worry about a P plater hoon killing people on the road, think about the drink/drug (normally full licensed) drivers out there mate. You have no idea, do you. Dont just go off what the media tells you, do your own research. Wait ill link you to a stats page if i can find one.




Hmm cant find one + cbf at this time, while i attended TOIP i was advised the major factor of fatal crashes are drink/drug drivers usually fully licensed) majority of p plater fatal crashes being inexperienced was the major factor not speed or hooning. also all the speakers are from the community services ie High way patrol, Fire, ambo, scientist laywers car manufactures and the list goes on.

He's not saying other people don't do shit. He's saying he doesn't want a bad name associated.

1. Learn to read.

2. **** off

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Originally Posted by amant02

Hey wats the point of buying a honda if u aren't gonna hit vtec at all, its the high revving thats giving you a 'bad name'. Might as well go buy a camry which gives u the safety and more torque and power lol. Dont come on here and act like you hvnt vtec'd in your car at all, and i have attended Traffic Offenders Program, before you about a P plater hoon killing people on the road, think about the drink/drug (normally full licensed) drivers out there mate. You have no idea, do you. Dont just go off what the media tells you, do your own research. Wait ill link you to a stats page if i can find one.




Hmm cant find one + cbf at this time, while i attended TOIP i was advised the major factor of fatal crashes are drink/drug drivers usually fully licensed) majority of p plater fatal crashes being inexperienced was the major factor not speed or hooning. also all the speakers are from the community services ie High way patrol, Fire, ambo, scientist laywers car manufactures and the list goes on.

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What? So all the drunk drivers out there somehow make it more acceptable for you to pose a threat on the road because you were sober? That makes about as much sense as anything else you've said.

And you're really equating hitting a certain rev threshold, and engaging VTEC, with clumsily ****ing up a heel-toe braking manoeuvre and getting your car airborne? Another stupid statement. You've blamed everything from potholes to wet roads, rather than accepting that you can't drive for shit. And you talk as if you're some kind of race driver 'pushing the limits', and that trashing your car makes you a bad-ass. You actually have the audacity to recommend handling modifications to somebody, when you can't even keep your car on the road, and your 'limit-pushing' on the track.

So go on. You said you're trolling, so we're done here. I hope your girlfriend takes better care of her car than you do, and I hope she doesn't get wiped out by the clumsy heel and toe of some wannabe boy racer.

Go make a "Safe Driving" thread in the lounge guys, this has nothing to do with "Springs vs Coilovers".

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amant02

If u are not a troll, it sounds like you had your accident because you failed to drive to the road conditions. One thing I have learnt is that driving fast on winding roads you don't know can lead to accidents. Push it on familiar roads, much like a race track, you get to know all the bumps and imperfections.

If you knew the road, you would have driven around the pothole instead of losing it. The excuse of heel/toe is rubbish.

You and your car are both very lucky to be alive today. Lesson learned hopefully

Indie... Sorry dude, this guy deserves no one sticking up for him
Sounds like he is dead set serious

Negged him for the posts

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Originally Posted by amant02

Hey wats the point of buying a honda if u aren't gonna hit vtec at all, its the high revving thats giving you a 'bad name'. Might as well go buy a camry which gives u the safety and more torque and power lol. Dont come on here and act like you hvnt vtec'd in your car at all, and i have attended Traffic Offenders Program, before you worry about a P plater hoon killing people on the road, think about the drink/drug (normally full licensed) drivers out there mate. You have no idea, do you. Dont just go off what the media tells you, do your own research. Wait ill link you to a stats page if i can find one.

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*coughs* I've owned two hondas, neither had/ have vtec... I've never attended a traffic offenders program... I've had my license suspended, because I crashed my eg (first rain, slippery corner) and got a fine for running a yellow light when I was trying not to do that, and ended up doing that to not look like I was trying not to do it... I'm exempt from your entire argument. :3
Also, research doesn't give you a bad name as much as media does... What's the bet thousands of people, if not millions around the country think every person in a modified car is a hoon, who is unruly, aggressive, can't talk for shit, and doesn't give a shit for the law or people's safety. after watching a current affair, when they went on about defects 'n' shit, and interviewed a bunch of pissed off wogs (no offense to anybody here) Media has more of a control on what gives people a bad name or not. So if you and every other boy racer out there goes and does skiddies on the streets, crashing into shit and scaring the general public, no doubt everyone in a honda will get a bad rep.

tl;dr, I'm exempt from your argument cause I don't have/ haven't ever had any vtec honda's, nor have I ever been in a traffic offenders program. You're also an idiot, who can't troll for shit, and sucks at driving.
Gratz.

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Originally Posted by u mad?

you guys should have bought lancers.


coilovers all the way

brb adjust to any height you want
brb adjust from soft to hard damper, choose the right coilovers and you can have the ride only slightly firmer then stock on softest settings
brb you can just part them out when you sell the car
brb would rather have coilovers with no engine mods over ghetto ass king spring and 1kw gaining intake


if you drive your car even slighty enthusiasticly around twisties, go with coilovers.


imo anyway.

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its true guys

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Originally Posted by Baboy

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Become bull sheet I gotta say

bite the bullet, buy expensive,cry once, buy cheap,cry all the time
springs are a quick fix and u stuck with that height
coilovers on the other hand can be adjusted to compensate for fat chicks bigger wheels different offset and clearance
my nan haz coilovers in her daily just drop the spring rate to oem and put the damper on soft ud rather fit it and forget then fit it and regret

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Originally Posted by SU-WOOP

bite the bullet, buy expensive,cry once, buy cheap,cry all the time
springs are a quick fix and u stuck with that height
coilovers on the other hand can be adjusted to compensate for fat chicks bigger wheels different offset and clearance
my nan haz coilovers in her daily just drop the spring rate to oem and put the damper on soft ud rather fit it and forget then fit it and regret

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maate

read the thread

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/mtPN...HOoaBw/140.jpg
im getting these for my CRX i think its a good middle ground for Daily & the odd track day.

i would try fid something like this OP

I found a local mechanic, specialize in mainly performance Honda's - quite a few modded cars there. I asked him if I'd be better off spending $1400 on coilovers etc or just get King Springs and drop it an inch or so, he was all for just new springs. Pretty much just said it'll handle a lot better, look better and since I'm not using it for track or anything theres no point shelling out that amount for coilovers. These guys know what they're talking about, unfortunately I forgot most of what he said but I went in with 1 or 2 questions when they helped me fix something with my Teg and it turned into a 15min convo so I'm still on the fence, we'll see.

i say decent branded springs,

or better still, lower it on shocks

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Originally Posted by IDV8

I found a local mechanic, specialize in mainly performance Honda's - quite a few modded cars there. I asked him if I'd be better off spending $1400 on coilovers etc or just get King Springs and drop it an inch or so, he was all for just new springs. Pretty much just said it'll handle a lot better, look better and since I'm not using it for track or anything theres no point shelling out that amount for coilovers. These guys know what they're talking about, unfortunately I forgot most of what he said but I went in with 1 or 2 questions when they helped me fix something with my Teg and it turned into a 15min convo so I'm still on the fence, we'll see.

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In summary this is what your wrote.

They specialize mainly in Honda's... quite few modded cars.. $1400 coilovers vs King springs... King springs win, because they handle better.. look better.. and they know what they're talking about

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Don't get full on coil overs if you're just driving it on the street all the time, or if you don't want to go crazy low.

I have spoon springs a dampers.

Just get decent springs, kings sag all the time and really don't offer a performance upgrade (slightly stiffer than stock, not really worth it).

I would recommend getting spoon springs, they are fantastic.

Great for daily driving. They are kinda stiff, you do bounce around in the car on the more bumpy roads, but that's part of the fun.

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Originally Posted by newpaddy3

Don't get full on coil overs if you're just driving it on the street all the time, or if you don't want to go crazy low.

I have spoon springs a dampers.

Just get decent springs, kings sag all the time and really don't offer a performance upgrade (slightly stiffer than stock, not really worth it).

I would recommend getting spoon springs, they are fantastic.

Great for daily driving. They are kinda stiff, you do bounce around in the car on the more bumpy roads, but that's part of the fun.

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+1 for spoon springs, ride height is also perfect!!

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Originally Posted by DC2-PWR

In summary this is what your wrote.

They specialize mainly in Honda's... quite few modded cars.. $1400 coilovers vs King springs... King springs win, because they handle better.. look better.. and they know what they're talking about

can i say, BULLSHIT

sorry but i can't help it because right people read your post and learn crap that "oh king springs are better because his mechanic said so".

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Context is whats required here....

"I wanna lower my car an inch, i don't track it and i'm not really keen on spending heaps of money"

"OK, just put springs in it then"

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Originally Posted by senna

Context is whats required here....

"I wanna lower my car an inch, i don't track it and i'm not really keen on spending heaps of money"

"OK, just put springs in it then"

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That sounds better now :thumbsup:

I'm just saying what I was told by a mechanic, relax yourself you'll live longer :cool:

get coilovers for the baller factor. flatter your vanity knowing you have $8000 ohlins coils shipped straight from japan

Apparently the jdm Ohlins are made under license and inferior to the swedish Ohlins.

I find it hard to believe that jdm can be inferior to anything

im in the same situation, undecided about coilovers due to the uncomfort, its a daily and will never see a track - maybe for laughs..

but anyway, im running standard suspension in my eg sedan, shocks are probably gone and spings are probably sagged, but looking for an upgrade..

one issue i have is the car scrapes on everything when someone is in the back, i have 17's on and want to stop the scrubbing - main reason for an upgrade.

whats your thoughts of coilover sleeves? same price as new lowered springs and with the sleeves i get to adjust the height

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Originally Posted by Grady93

im in the same situation, undecided about coilovers due to the uncomfort, its a daily and will never see a track - maybe for laughs..

but anyway, im running standard suspension in my eg sedan, shocks are probably gone and spings are probably sagged, but looking for an upgrade..

one issue i have is the car scrapes on everything when someone is in the back, i have 17's on and want to stop the scrubbing - main reason for an upgrade.

whats your thoughts of coilover sleeves? same price as new lowered springs and with the sleeves i get to adjust the height

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You'll have the same problems. Do it right this time, you can use your current lowered springs but you need shocks which match the lowered travel range. Coilover sleeves are crap in my opinion.

im not running lowered anything lol, all standard..

what do you rekon i do?

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Originally Posted by hitoriko

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im getting these for my CRX i think its a good middle ground for Daily & the odd track day.

i would try fid something like this OP

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Crap! I had that in my ej8 coupe drove like shit put into my brother's DA9 worked a treat in the da9. ! I reverted to coilover a million times better! GAB's SS all the way!9

aaronng what's wrong with coilover sleeves?

^^^^ +1

im interested to know why you think they are crap. Im using koni yellows with GC sleeves and they are great imo.

because jdm okay?

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Originally Posted by TbM

^^^^ +1

im interested to know why you think they are crap. Im using koni yellows with GC sleeves and they are great imo.

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KONI YELLOW there is the first reason. GC kit is better.

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Originally Posted by Grady93

im not running lowered anything lol, all standard..

what do you rekon i do?

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Get good lowered springs and a shock that suits the travel range. In the Accord Euro section, we like Eibach lowered springs with either Koni Yellows or Bilstein shocks, which gives handling on the street as good as coilovers but with far far superior comfort but no height adjustment. Not sure about EGs, but there should be similar equivalents out there for much less money than Eibach/Bilsteins.