It states pretty clearly that you must be registered for a certain period and 'contribute to the site'.Quote:
Originally Posted by klam1902
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It states pretty clearly that you must be registered for a certain period and 'contribute to the site'.Quote:
Originally Posted by klam1902
um. i bad repped someone, then they send me a PM abusing me. how great is that ;)
could you get repped for linking someone to a helpful DIY?
yep..Quote:
Originally Posted by An41
cool now hopefully someone stumbles across itQuote:
Originally Posted by tRipitaka
Thats because I didnt deserve it :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiReal
You should see the list of PMs that i have for neg reppin ppl ;) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SiReal
If someone is found to abuse the system then shoot myself or bennjamin a PM.
DO NOT PM us for silly reasons though :)
i heard that i negative rep, takes away 10 positive points, is this correct, or are they both weighted the same?
They are both weighted the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzz
Thank you MUZZ....I sort of understand now...
Seems to me the rep point system could have an inverse proportion rule applied.
either that or just an internet popularity contest.
... i guess it's up to you to determine how others think of you?
Don't need rep to be loved. Everyone loves(d) Honda Enthusiast and IAMVTEC.
sometimes love is just another four letter word.
IMO, the rep system is inherently flawed…
Enthusiasm has replaced knowledge & experience.
I ask that forum members’ day job be displayed under the points shown…
Who they work for & what they do there…
(I doubt it would be implemented & no doubt most would lie to hide the truth)
It would certainly add weight to the rep system though.
E.g.:
Rep points ***** (Shining beacon of light & all that shit)
Day job – Roses only - Florist
Rep points * (Knows a thing or two)
Day job – BAR Honda - Chief engineer
it is intended as a point of reference, not a bible to live by
if the florist has had more helpful technical posts than the engineer i dont see the problem in them having more rep points.
you and ev obviously know your shit, why let a few green squares bother you?
If you have the spare time and apply yourself you can achieve 4 boxes or 10 or 24. It seems members with no gain tend to help out abit more than others only because we are browsing at the same time rather than checking up on trading etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
It's not a full proof way of saying how much a person knows technically speaking......there never will be a full proof way.
THe rep points/PQ points system was brought in to work hand in hand with the restriction on new users selling (ie you have to be registered for xx many days and have atleast 1 PQ point).
Previously we took into account a users postcount but that was no good because people would signup, spam for a few days to get a few posts and then sell without bothering to help anyone else out.
With the PQ system they HAVE to help another person out in order to earn the right to sell.
The squares are just an indicator.
FFS, Internet + personal information don't mix!?Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
some people learn from experience by doing DIYs, experimenting and providing answers to those that are in similar situations. Just because someone is a florist does not mean they do not have the experience.
working for Honda, or mechanic or knowing how to put an engine together does not mean shit when you have the ego and attitude to match it.
btw, please don't take this as a personal attack on your behalf. Peace :)
See the problem there is that if you know a few mates on the forum and you have only just signed up then they can just PQ point you and your set to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by wynode
The same problem is when you give noobs the power to remove PQ points without having any themselves.
You could be the most knowledgeable person about subject A but if a noob doesn't have any idea but disagrees with you because they think the sky is green or whatever they have the power to remove points.
The inherent problem that i see here is that unless you can make it, to add a point the person that adds it must have posted in the same forum and some indicator comes up in the post that rep point was given (This then allows moderators the ability to remove said point if just spam). And to remove points the person must be either a mod or at a higher level than the poster.
That way people are judged by their peers and not randoms that THINK they have a clue (99% of the time only to have said random shot down by many others).
From what I've seen since the introduction of the PQ system is they are only taken away when the user is being a jerk/prick. Not from misinformation.
And its a given. mates will give to mates ;) Its also a shame because u always see the same ppl giving advice. And u can't continuously rep them due to system constraints.
Actually, those that dont have 20 PQ points, DONT affect other members at allQuote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
you may want to check that.
Win… Yeah, I guess that’s fair comment…
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Originally Posted by SiReal
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Originally Posted by SiReal
LOL… No offence taken. (I must admit I am stirring the pot a little as its kind of fun)
I agree with what you say for the most parts,
However I don’t think perceptions of ego & or attitude shouldn’t play a part.
Say someone (that by all accounts is a total prick) tells you exactly what is wrong with your car & how to fix it.
Just because he’s not popular, should his attitude really have any bearing whether or not he is perceived to know what he’s talking about.
Apologies to all the florists among us… No offence intended.
There are quite a few "pricks" on this forum which not everyone likes
~ but people still listen to them since (issues/conflicts) are not personal.
Prick or not ~ if you have something useful at the right time , then you will get the +rep.
Its luck and timing really :)
Keep helping out and you will eventually get + more points.
And if you dish out incorrect info you get - points taken off.
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Originally Posted by TODA AU
well, i guess - if someone knows their stuff, and tells you exactly what is wrong with your car and how to fix it, regardless of their attitude towards it, I would still give it a rep point.
I'd rather not have some happy little love fest about who is better and blah blah blah. But I'd hope that people who were on here, were just as enthusiastic about helping others, because thats what makes it a community.
Let's say that everyone with the knowledge to help others on this forum is arrogant, aggressive and really rude, although correct in their assumption.
Specifically in your case - as a trader. The way people treat others can reflect on things like sales........
His attitude shouldn't have any bearing on what he or she knows about, but it could affect how he or she is perceived.
I know it to be a factQuote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
^ i concour
another thing you guys are forgetting about receiving negative PQ points is that you can always ask a mod/admin about it.
if someone is misusing the PQ points system REPORT IT.... i'm pretty sure mods/admin wont take it lightly
:) I know people who have been banned for it
You need to have atleast 50 PQ points before you can affect another users PQ points.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
Just double checked that and Q is correct. If you can show me otherwise let me know and I'll check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
Exactly. We take abuse of the system VERY seriously and that is one reason it incurrs 10 infraction points (out of a total of 20, when an automatic ban is issued).Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
No Offence intended Ben, but how does someone like you get 4+ blocks ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
As for me, this isn't my livelihood. I don't care anymore. I just come here now for the for sale section. Adrian has a point, and further to his comments, I believe the technical section should be scrapped. There are ZERO technical posts in those porums, and nothing that cant be relocated to the car sections.
At least that way, those aching for technical knowledge don't have their hopes falsely overinflated.
Take my post in there, it's actually quite trivial, but look at the level of response. Aside from a select few (those mostly with 1 or 2 blocks) are the main contributors. Ironic.
anyway....I'm buying a Porsche. Might check out some Porsche forums instead. At least there its probable I wont find a dagger in my back from my own cousin.
^I think what you and Adrian are trying to work out, is how people with supposed “lower” knowledge level are able to have more green blocks than yourselves (professionals in the field of mechanics)?
Answer is simple, they post more than you.
They have more blocks as they post more “helpful” information than the pros in this forum.
If you posted more, you’d be rewarded by the members who read your posts.
Blocks don’t mean which member knows more, or is more educated or qualified, it’s an indicator of who’s more helpful – based on members’ judgement.
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Originally Posted by ProECU
Its pure luck Evan. People either like or dont like your posts ~ and as said much before you post more you get the rep points. But if anyone makes a mistake or false information then you get a neg. rep duh :cool:
This "system" is governed by the people not the owner/moderators or even any individual here.
BTW the technical section is for general enquiries ( IE non model specific) and is hardly a place for technical debate. Its mostly problems that are quite vauge and havent been covered before too much.
On saying that i guess if you are liked more by people or have a lot of friends then it wouldn't matter how accurate your posts were as you'd get rep points from them anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
This makes me think that the whole idea of rep points is kinda a useless feature that should probably be scrapped.
If you wanted to block people from posting in the for sale forums thats easy. make the lounge posts not count towards totals and moderate the other forums to not tolerate spam.
then when someone hits their 50 or 100 posts they can access the for sale forums.
But this isn't as easy as adding a rep point quota instead.
I fully agree with Evan in regards to places like OH becoming popularity contests and not what you know but who you know and who's toes you have trodden on. {this is not a racist comment} but unless you are Asian on here it is kinda hard to follow the running dialogue sometimes. Again another form of unless you are in a set crowd your not accepted. {and please DON'T try to tell me that this is not the case because i have seen it way too many times}
There are those of us that know a lot of stuff that we can pass onto others but when we do and in some cases it goes against a sponsor or someones friend. Then the bitch fighting and name calling starts. We don't need this kinda petty crap. Usually this results in people not bothering to post at all.
If people would use the search bar for example 80% of questions would have already been covered.
Hell its not like the Honda range is THAT huge.
and most mods are the same old same old.
To sum it all up i liked hondas for the fact they were a great car to drive and not the status symbol. I also like the fact that IF you are a true driver you accept the person for the car and not what they look like. Its just a shame that the community is so bias and pig headed. kinda plays right into the anti ricers hands.
What do you guys think about not seeing post count anymore?
Being a mod I get to see post count and find it useful (not to guage knowlede but more as a rough guide to contribution).
As for the rep system - that can always be changed if enough people don't like it. I don't use it as a basis for determining knowledge and can understand why some people are not supporters of it.
A technical section for general enquiries?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Dumbfounded! I am in awe of that comment!
I don't agree. I admit that I am not a mechanic (Honda or otherwise). I am still learning as I go along. I check my last 15 PQ points given to me and I don't even know any of them nor have chatted to them outside of a technical/model sections (they are not even people that I know from the Lounge). So I don't agree that that you get more points if you are liked or if you have a lot of friends here. If your type of posts are too technical, then your scope of audience is narrower. But that's the thing, people come on to Ozhonda for help because they don't have the technical background. They want help for simple problems. And it is those simple problems that the real mechanics and technical people here choose to ignore. That is the reason why others get more points. It's because they take the time to help someone with a question as simple as "what colour is OEM brake fluid".Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
That's only in the lounge. And points that are given in the lounge are not counted anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
True, when I see a bitch fight starting, I pull out and stop posting unless I am really passionate about the topic. But yeah, it does happen and what we've been trying to do is just to shut down the thread before it gets worse. Usually it results in an ultra-rude PM from the offender.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
That's because ECU tuning and engine work is under the "All Motor" and/or "Forced Induction" sections.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
make sure you post up pics if ya do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
i'd like to see it.
uh?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Either i'm missing a few screws and don't comprehend english very well, or you mods are onto some good whacky tobaccy...
I honestly do not understand what you guys are trying to say.
Doesn't matter really. Lets move on.
Sorry, I thought your speciality was in engine and ECU tuning... I meant to say that Ben meant that any technical enquiry that does not fall into the categories of engine, ecu, suspension and model specific get put into the technical section. So simple questions like "which cable do I tap for a 12v supply" still fall into the technical section eventhough it is not a true technical question. For the really silly ones like "why do my wipers skip", we not have the noob section. Do you frequent the threads in the noob section? That's where members who are totally clueless need the most help. And they are the ones who are really appreciative of any good help that they can get and give out PQ points to show that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
*puts down whack tobaccy* :D
we had a similar system in place before the introduction of PQ points. all it did was encourage spam in serious/tech threads as lounge posts have not attributed to post counts for some time nowQuote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
you could clearly see people stop their spamming as soon as they hit got their member status and were allowed to sell
lol most of the 'bitch fighting' in tech sections is from the traders/tuners, including toda au and proecu that are here complaining about this pq systemQuote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
(not having a dig but they both know it's true :))
as aarong said the members with very high technical knowledge 'generally' only post in threads regarding tune's or engine builds (or their for sale threads in the case of traders).... not the average joe schmoe post about some concern they have with their daily run around
lol nobody searches, never have, never willQuote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
it's just a sad fact of life :thumbdwn:
i may be misinterpreting this comment but it seems you are implying that the majority asian posters you mentioned before are not accepting of non-asians of the forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
More to do with the fact that if someone doesnt fit the mold of a typical honda driver then a lot of the time they are not accepted as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
It shouldn't be anything to do with race, colour, creed or religion.... it is meant to be about the cars and the driving experience with them.
I feel that a lot of people on these forums have lost that view point because they are so quick to judge.
Its a shame really.
sure there is rice bashing but other than that i can't say i've seen cases of what you are refering too
oh well each to their own
no offence taken, but thats the typical response from you guys and its an ignorant one.Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
I'd have to disagree with that.
It's not like you are one that likes to sugar coat your words.
I'm not sure I see how these comments fit into this thread? Feel free to create a new thread if you have genuine concerns and I/we will see what we can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
I think you'll find that the way the forum works has changed over time as its membership base grew. To fully understand this you need to see things as they were when the site first started and then grew.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.G.System
Initially there was no restriction on selling in the Marketplace. Then we had people signing up just to sell things and then not returning or helping anyone else out. The idea is to create a community where everyone helps each other out.
So we brought in the post count restriction in order to sell. As a result we had people just spamming to get their post count up and then selling as soon as they could.
So we decided to hide post counts and introduce a minimum registration preiod along with the postcount restriction. This didn't help because people would still spam.
Finally we introduced the PQ points system such that users HAD to help others out in order to be able to sell something. Given this is the largest Honda forum in Australia the fact that you don't have to pay anything to sell (just answer someone question or point them in the right direction) is what I would call a fair deal.
Speaking of moving on......I thought you were moving on.....but you're still here? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Hoping this place will change for the better.
Would you prefer I left altogether?
only way to change stuff is to be involved in it.
being cynical and stuff doesnt fix anything.
So what you're saying here is that you'd prefer I talk in circles and roundabouts, rather than be precise and honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by yourfather
Interesting strategy, but not my style.
Nah man, im not saying that at all.
What i'm saying is,
You can be direct, and correct, but you don't have to be blunt all the time.
If you delete all my posts ever made, then I will gladly oblige Wyn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Your call.
Evan you are speaking in circles and roundabouts.
What is exactly is the problem with the Post quality system ?
Any other ideas everyone ?
rather than continually stating the cons, why not actually offer some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism to make it better. Accept that the PQ system will never be removed, so learn to live with it. 10,300 + other so members can, why can't you? Or is it purely a grudge against the other moderators?
Sure its a little unfair at times, but its a fact of life that you don't get everything you want. If you can't accept this, then obviously the rules of civilisation haven't reached you yet.
edit: proECU, this is not pointed at you bluntly, but really to all that keep criticising. Don't forget who owns this site. At the end of the day, its a public domain, run by the ppl that created it. It is unrealistic to assume they will hand over power to anyone who requests it. Alternatively, if still unsatisfied, start up another forum and you can have your way.
i don't see a 14yo spelling level as a novelty, but hey that might be an achievement in your neck of the woods?
i also don't see any anger or violence that you mention?
and lastly i do dislike you but i'm not angry at you :)
you are the one that needs some anger management classes. you're always spitting the dummy threatening to leave over petty bullshit.
here you are complaining about a system which barely applies to you as you rarely help the general public as their car queries/problems are too petty for you (ie. not a tuning/engine build thread)
as said in a delete post how about you try and have some POSITIVE input on the forum?
i'm sure you could be a great asset to the forum if you wanted to, you just choose not to
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oh shit u pwned me again. i'll leave the thread with what little dignity i have left :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
The PQ system is meant to be used in the technical and model sections only. Since you have used it in the site discussion section, it shows that it is not the PQ system that breeds e-violence. It is people like you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
You don't like the PQ system - fair enough (I am not the biggest fan either). But we all live with it because it is the best system we could come up with at this point in time. Your suggestions about change have been noted too. Just because your ideas are not immediaately implemented by the moderating team is not a reflection on you or the worthiness of your suggestion.
If you really were a supporter of Ozhonda you would just focus on what you are good at - giving technical advice and not getting caught up in petty personal disputes.
It is plain for everyone to see you have had some personal issues with certain members of the moderating team in the past. But the time has come for you to get on with your life and let it go. Everyone else is able to do that. So the decision is not for Wyn to tell you to leave or for us to delete all your old posts. You need to decide whether you are here to help out the Ozhonda community or whether you are forever going to hold grudges. Life is too short to hold grudges but you need to realise that for yourself.
ProECU , TODA AU , panda[cRx] , everyone ~ its going around in circles.
"We" all think we know best but its just immature to argue it out here.
You got a problem with this system , type it up here and lets talk about it :)
If you have a problem with a member , be a man and pm the guy/girl and talk about it there.
Anyone else have any issues about the PQ system ?
Its implemented and judged BY THE PEOPLE and not the moderators. If you are whining because you feel "superior" and cant see why another gets more blocks , you only have yourself to blame. Get to it and be helpful !
I say just close this thread...
The amount of deleted posts on this page is impressive.
Yes, they should. I think thats the issue...Wishful thinking, but lets hope he takes your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Posts were deleted because they were off topic.
This thread is for discussing the PQ points system only. If you have any other concerns make a new thread.
Rep points are reserved for knowledge based answers and technical posts only. Its a representation to others of a members "involvement" and actual knowledge . It helps others identify those that can help out.Quote:
Originally Posted by claymore
People post images up because they want to show off , not to be rewarded :)
If you allow rep points for the "effort" in taking pictures then what will be next ? (puts hand up for golden rep points for moderators for the millions of hours put in effort) :wave:
Calymore, it's like ben said (saves me doing all that typing :p). Basically its meant to be only for tech posts to do with cars/Hondas
how many reputation points do i require to have before i receive member status?
1 point and be a newcomer for 90 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyobibi
there must be something wrong with my account because my user cp shows 5 points and have been a member for 1 year, 1 month.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
(and thanks for the extra quick answers :))
do those points in your user cp have green or grey boxes next to them?
for the points to be worth anything (ie. green square) the giver needs to have 50 pts, otherwise u get the grey square which means shit all.... other than that warm fuzzy feeling of having a 'rep point' :)
ahh i get it now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[cRx]
i've been reading the rep points faq over and over.. i finally understand it now.
thanks panda =)
Hey there I am finding it hard to gain member status I have been a member for 3 months and specalise in audio/visual-alarms-a/con but all posts on these subjects are very general most the time and have been answered ten times correctly already most the time, help a brotha out wit some tips pleeeeeeeeeeesssee..............
I've been a member for years and still no member status yet :(
are u making good posts?
Obviously not good enough to get the points...
does bennjamins neg rep count for minus a ***ing million?
i got lyk -12 now
WTF!
i had green box a while ago
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...992#post952992
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nick rep me up ben rep me down frk
bahahahahahaa...
that is what u'd called
uber pwned~!
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Originally Posted by chunky
ahahah !
thats totally irrelevant to NA VTEC motors. Its for V6's or V8's .
So neg rep for just googling + pasting and NOT looking at the article yourself :P
Dont ask for rep points!Quote:
Originally Posted by chunky