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Oops, I'm a noob when it comes to tegs, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
looking at all these pics of the CTR im still not feeling it. Although white would be the sure winner for this car. Perhaps seeing one in real life might change my opinions but from the pics doesnt look all that great and i feel most people will be dissapointed.
no recaros either? means theres nothing to steal then lol
What do you mean by "poor"?Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
Please elaborate...
It's like the Type S. A sporty car. It's not a Type R in the sense where it is 100% race orientated and all comforts are stripped from the car to reduce weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.
For the proper Type R, we'll have to wait for the 4 door JDM CTR.
Well cant you just self modify it to be a true type-R experience?? Im sure taking out a stereo and air conditioning and insulation is not that hard. If you dont want to do it yourself, just leave your car in Bankstown for a week and you'll have your real type-R when you come back for the car.
I would doubt the 4door JDM CTR won't come with the same creature comforts as this UK CTR.
The true meaning of the word "TypeR" i feel just doesn't exist in new model Hondas anymore.
From the CTR prototype pics, it looks like it has the TypeR goods (extra stiffening, thinner windscreen and the usual suspension changes)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tofu
ill put a list of mods for it straight awayQuote:
Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.
Bucket seat
good set of coilovers
oil cooler
wheels lol
like Fly said got to wait till the real thing appears
Is it me or most people in here are over reacting with the term VTEC in honda's engine? Im not any kind of engineer or mechanic but isnt vtec just a method honda uses to maximise fuel economy by switching into different valves at certain rpm to produce max power, while at lower rpm uses different valves to keep good fuel economy and maybe safer emmisions?
Anyways, people seem to make it that honda's vtec is some sort of force induction like turbos and supercharges when honda's engine is really n/a, just honda engine can really produce decent power without other methods of force inductions? its just abit anoying hearing people making it out like without vtec honda is nothing and needs to vtec this and vtec that to keep up with turbo's wrx and skylines. Honda makes good engines and cars!
VTEC just allows you to use lumpy cams at high RPM and mild cams at low RPM to maintain drivability and get decent fuel consumption. Without VTEC, Honda wouldn't dare put in lumpy cams and have an engine that had a 2000rpm idle and decent pull to move the car from a standstill only at 3000rpm and above.Quote:
Originally Posted by vupham
In my opinion, I think you are under-rating VTEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by vupham
When driven at circuits, I think post vtec range is most you will be using.
AND,
"Honda claims the Type-R sprints from zero to 100km/h in 6.6 seconds. "
although it clearly states its honda's claim, but its also clear that its VTEC that brings this kinda result.
To me, it is a very very impressive result from an NA 2 litre engine, especially from a todays heavier civics! (s15 claims similar result, thats with a turbo)
"No smoke without fire."
When you see this much VTEC addicts, they have their reasons.
You can do the same without VTEC. Just that the car will be almost undrivable at low RPM and fuel consumption will be bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tune2look
lol lots of honda people think vtec is the greatest ever! its far from it, its good but if u want real power im sorry u have to go forced induction or a V8!
thats when u see the lil vtec cars in the rear view mirror!
Its not designed to be the next big thing in engine power! its designed to be efficient and smooth in lower revs and more power/torque in higher revs!
Variable Valve Timing isn't put into vehicles for pure power reasons! it lowers emissions and improves driveability also!
I've been holding off buying a new car for this? I can't believe this is all Honda can do with all their engineers and designers. All that money and time they poured into this project, and thats the best they can do? For 40K, they needed to produce something fantastic. Something like the Integra Type-R or the Euro; not some cheap looking toy.
All i can say is that it better drive like its on ****ing rails, or else Honda will lose another fanatic supporter to Volkswagen...
This CTR was designed by Honda UK. Not Honda Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronos
What are you after? If you are after a coupe or a 4 door, then this CTR shouldn't even be in the list of cars that you are considering. To me, this CTR > GTI. Of course, I'd be happiest with the JDM 4 door CTR.
I'm also interested in what the 0-100 time will be when people test the car. what are the CTR figures again? 148kw, 1301kg (according to the info NightRyder got) 0-100 in 6.6 seconds?
DC2R (141kw, 1087kg), AUS DC5R (147kw, 1160kg), and AUs DC5S (154kw, 1230kg) all get low 7's that i've seen in magazines such as motor, wheels, speed, etc.
I'm no racing expert, but would have though (like Yfin) bigger wheels and gear ratios can only do so much. Vtec engagement at 5k rpm instead of 5.7k?
When we got our DC5R people complained cos it had the K20A2 instead of K20A and no brembos. When we got the DC5S people said it was worse because it didn't have an LSD.
Does the new civic have a K20A or a K20Z? How about an LSD and brembos?
Don't get me wrong. I think it looks like a great car and getting any type of Civic R is better than none. I really like the interior and exterior and I'm sure it'll drive fantastically as well.
Never underestimate the power of VTEC
http://www.civictyper.com.au/
Don't know if this has been posted yet but check it out!
Low 7s is underrated. Euros pull high 7s. So DC2R, DC5R and the DC5S should pull high 6s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
Ok I went to the motorshow today. It's on a rotating thingie so no entry into the cockpit. The car was certainly a looker and attracted tonnes of attention.
Please find reasonably high res shots here:
http://funkdancer.com/2007/03/07/a-much-nicer-civic/
Hope you like em? Got a few more, but they're kind of the same from this point on. ;)
Oh, did I say, I want one? 6.6s with all the said luxuries is perfect for me. I wouldn't want to be without them, maybe I've gone soft but I would much prefer something that strikes the kind of balance that this car seems to do.
http://funkdancer.com/images/civictyper.jpg
yea perfect balance of luxury and sport. and its what ppl demand these days too. all out sport car just dont sell anymore.
still think 6.6 is abit impossible...hope im wrong
I hate the look of the rear, but think this might just be my next car.
Thats if its priced under $50k..
ohh and LSD, please tell me it has a LSD...!! Also RECAROS???? or has honda gone soft and are going to go with the crapping lux integra type S seats?
It's UKDM designed. That's why Recaros were not specified. The old UKDM EP3 also didn't have Recaro seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix
recaro is just a brand man. many other better seats than recaros. the seats that comes with the CTR isnt so bad looking either. hopefully it does a good job
Yeah i know, just hopeing they dont use them ugly "luxury" seats that were in the integra type S.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
LSD?
there isnt LSD on this car from what im aware of, whether it has recaros or not the fact is its not a pure hard racing car as the older models were, seats are designed to be supportive and comfortable...
On the bright side, you can always install an LSD from the DC5R into this CTR since it uses the same K-series gearbox.
It has only got 4 speed with no lsd…kidding..
If you have a read at the latest Top Gear Magzine, they had a huge hot hatch comparison, and they rate the CTR to be the best hatch on the market.
Hmm, for some reason this sounds just fine to me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by industrie
I did manage to get a couple of shots when they opened the left hand side door a bit later, however the exposure was a bit off with heavy flash usage and only shows the edge of it really.
I'll upload it tonight anyway.
I did see on the web that the VSA is tuned to be more sporty than normal, i.e. allow a bit of play. I know that when I bought my Euro the brochure said the VSA offered "LSD like" qualities, however I've also come across threads saying VSA can't co-exist with LSD (check in particular Test Drive's post).
Where can I get this? Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
VSA's LSD emulation is not good. Why? Because traction control cuts the power as soon as the wheel spins. So even though it is braking the spinning wheel to send power to the opposite wheel, your throttle is also being cut at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aratahu
Newsagencies? I read a bit at wynyard station newsagent yesterday, to Top Gear it was an undisputed win and an easy pick. The stig especially liked CTR's handling.
Thanks XTERCII, I'll go hunting on my way home tonight. Has it just been released? I've only recently moved to a new area (Glenroy, VIC) and am not familiar with newsagencies there. Heading out from Richmond... ;)
Ps. Seeing the Type R in the flesh was the only reason why I went in to the carshow, I wasn't going to until I heard it was there... :)
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Originally Posted by xtercii
But do they take price into account?
Primer specs that include the 6.6s on this Honda page. No mention of LSD.
I don't know, my train was coming had to run haha…might read a bit more today…
If you are looking to buy an expensive hatch(I personally wouldnt but everybody is different). This is the one I would go for, because of the looks and the Honda quality. The Mazda3 MPS is nice looking too but too similar to a normal 3. All the european hatchs look bad.
+1 Rep for HONDA AUS!
I just cant believe they arent releasing a type R in Champ White ?? i mean Champ white is honda's true race-car colour.. maybe they're subtly telling us this aint a real race car ;) but personally i hate red cars, silver is too generic and black in the australian summer just doesnt make sense.
I dont think you can have VSA and an LSD together. I'd put my hand up for the LSD over VSA. One thing that's kept me out of a DC5 vs EG5 for example is that the EG5 has no ABS, no SRS, no fly-by-wire etc. so it's simpler and you get more direct feedback.. closer to a true racecar.
however the EG5 is ~13 years old now.....
front on it's sex, I dislike the door-handles and HATE the twin triangular exhaust (even if it has a round pipe inside it still looks like rice).
Personally i'll be waiting to see if there's a facelift model mnus the horrible rear bumper treatment and with a possibility of a Champ-White version.
But man is great news for the Aussie Honda Enthusiast as it will keep the passion burning (it was gradually dying every year since the demise of the DC2R) for a few more years plus as someone else said - the ricers will crash em then we can buy the front-cuts.. not to mention an extra 10 years of legislated compulsory parts support for Honda Australia of the K20's.
FYI the website in my last post features full PDF brochure download link on the right hand side once you've opened the CTR section - with lots of very very nice piccies. So I won't bother about doing my crap interior ones up. It will now be interesting to see what parts they drop for the Aussie model.
For myself, I just hope they retain the curtains - that's a major item on my vehicle checklist (and the reason why I got the Luxury over the standard Euro). Certainly rain sensing vipers etc are nice to haves and would mean less adjusting between the two vehicles, but not in any way requirements... ;)
i like the look, definetly different to anything avaiable.
what annoys me is the engine power of just 148kw?? if jdm K20A's get 165kw and dc5S has 154kw and the competition has much more, so for it to be competative its got to have at least 154kw....
Ok, I've tried visiting 2 different news agents in person and calling another 3, but noone has the March issue of TopGear in stock. Would anyone know of a place in/around Melbourne which has it? Thanks :)
...just download it...so i was told ;)
hahahaha my ep3 sh#ts on that.....
my todas**t on that to....
im pretty sure my 350Z would sh** all over your car :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JDMtoy
In the latest Motor magazine, there is an article about this latest CTR saying there is no LSD, but it could be had as an option, and you can also option for a power upgrade. Apparently this is all refering to the current UK version.
I'm reading the PDF brochure (see my previous post) by Honda UK and cannot see any mention of such upgrades. Those 19" wheels look mighty nice though.
Just got my Honda email newsletter and it looks like the Type R will be on display in Sydney next week at Chatswood Chase Shopping Centre :D
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...hatswood+Chase
ill go and check it out when its there
the Type S wasn't meant to be a full on "Racer" hence the leather seatsQuote:
Originally Posted by Felix
but they probably used them because they're cheaper then recaros
Bunch more shots from the Melbourne Car Show of the CTR uploaded to my site. Hope at least 1 person here has a look... ;)
nice skills... makes my 5x megapixel camera photos look like VGA phone camera sh!t.. lol :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aratahu
As much as I love the Type-R, I don't think I can justify myself paying over $40k for it.
There are many better cars out there for that price!
you could always argue theres a better car for that price...most cars around 40K are luxury or family orientated cars, and hatches are a niche market, where you dont expect it to be the leading area for car sales, its a minority who love these cars and are willing to pay 40K for a hatch...Quote:
Originally Posted by SLPJCooL
the same argument can be said purchasing a second hand WRX, s2000, etc..
That is why Honda decided to stop the DC5R before. No one wanted to buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLPJCooL
To put things into comparison..... I went to look at the original documents that where in the G/F's EK4 glove box....... the person that bought it from Honda back in '97 payed $37k for it.
A $40-44k price tag I think is more than justifiable for this CTR given that its 10 years worth of increase in cost of materials and labour, even before we consider that its a hell of a lot better car than the EK4 in equipment levels not to mention looks.
I never understood how the EK4 sold in Australia looking virtually identical to the other base and lower spec EKs.
has anyone got a closer look of the brake caliper? tnx
I'm sure the CTR will sell well down here. Just a personal opinion I stated b4.
If you think about it, it's pretty much the same price as a MPS sports Pack edition. And If I had to pick between the two, the CTR has my thumbs up! :thumbsup:
ek4 was priced around 33k which is like the civic sport and there were less competition back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
Remember to factor in inflation as well.
holden and ford are trying to block the civic type r coming in. They have stated that it will take away thier sales in the small car segment.
anyone know what the concept typre r rims were? they were pretty hot
I rest my case...
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Originally Posted by j3z3z
Hey great pictures! This part of your web site can't be right though ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aratahu
"Plus, it’s got to be the strongest 2.0 naturally aspirated engine ever built."
What about the s2000?!
where has honda said anything about pricing? We shouldnt say the CTR is expensive or cheap until we get firm pricing
haha spot on haha
ug as fark..............
with a high roof line like that and what looks to be alot of weight over the rear wheels.............good luck in handling.
hot hatch didn't have to mean they had to design a flip'n WOMBAT!!!.
aka "WTR" for the win.
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Originally Posted by bigdongers
benchmark is golf gti at around $38K exclude dealer delivery and all that.
It's a safe bet that the WTR will come in around that level.
if you want some'n that rip everyone up wait for the wrx 'hatch'.
Poor Button didn't even know what to say about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=watt8mfkEAI
Clearly he thinks it's ugly.
now before you start flaming the CTR, please back up your statements with some facts,
yes we all have our own personal preference..
but what do you have to say that its handling is like a "wombat" so to speak?
mind you, there are many reviews that say its absolutely fab atm thank you very much
Will there be a chance of the 4Dr JDM model coming in AUS?
Cos' personally I love that 4Door Sedan Racer Look.....Esp White....FRESH...!!!
LOL, you clearly don't like hatchbacks. Don't look at the CTR then. Many other alternatives like the 350Z for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
looks better in person than on camera.
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Originally Posted by sitta
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...pe_r_bg_10.jpg
not too clear, but you get the idea......too bad it wont come with the brembos seen on the 4 door type r in japan :(
the Type R engraved on the brakes are for rice factor, but nice
nopes...........i grew up on hatch backs, which probably why i hate this WTR more.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Current Projeztk
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2-4207_IMG.jpg
Old car.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...f/837f94d1.jpg
the z is a one off coupe thing
can't you guys tell the Button is standing there lost for words at how ugly a fark the WTR is?...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRbCrqMQB4
That's because Button drove the JDM CTR concept and preferred that one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA