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if the civic did come in with less 'features' (eg it was what we would call, more stripped down) i reckon it'd wouldn't be all that much cheaper.. maybe $35,990+ ORC? Then it might not sell as well because compeditors cars offer more value for money, and like aaronng said people want that these days.
ohhh this is some good discussion!
just remember, new cars is a business. Its not worth bringing these true type Rs in for such a small market of die hard honda fans!
We have sold a few to business men, and one to a gentleman over 50 coz he wants it for a daily.
They dont make intergas anymore coz that market is over, nobody wants one, ony the 'die hard' honda fans would want a true type R integra...i doubt honda would think it would be worth making just a few thousand world wide to keep them happy.
Be realistic, its a business and the civic the way it is in the australian market is wat we need.
Japan is totally different, look at the cars they have....
To use another Porsche analogy (albeit exaggerated) that some might better understand... Don't build a Cayenne and call it a 911. There is a large 911 fan base, (undoubtedly bigger and deeper pocketed than purist Type R fans,) and when you continue to put out products that don't display the integraty (pun intended :) ) from which the fans had formed their loyalty, then you will screw all that awareness and goodwill that had been built with the people (like me) who had purchased in to that brand. If Porsche tomorrow said that they'd stop making 911s and future models will be front engined and weigh 2 tonnes, I doubt that they will continue to be the most profitable car company in the world.
I have fallen deeply for the DC2R (sad but true), I'm fortunate not to be limited financially to virtually any mainstream performance car available on the market, but I choose to be patient, for someone to make something that is worthy of my dollars, something that displays that the manufacturer has really moved the game on from the DC2R. From what I've seen of the FD2, this hits a lot of those buttons. For now, I still have an affinity with Honda (and Porsches!), but if the Japanese folk were not creating the cars they are in Honda Japan, my affinity with Honda will slowly dissolve and I will not place them as first preference among the Japanese makers, they may as well become a Toyota and build as many mundane Civics as they can to bolster their balance sheets, then people with a loyalty like me will not place them first on the list to earn my money. They will just become another maker of a commodity from which I can choose between a whole host of generic suppliers. Yes, Honda is a commercial entity in business to make money, but Soichiro also recognised that there is an intangible factor in creating halo cars that say something about their capabilities that don't necessarily make them any money on those particular niche cars, but say a lot about Honda, and in particular Type R. This UK CTR says to me... I just want to sell as many of these things as I can...the bigger the subwoofer, the better. I suppose even the Pussycat dolls make money in the music industry :), but in time, they will slowly fade away (hopefully) in to irrelevance, like Type R if Honda Aus keeps telling people like me that sat nav and electric power steering is more worthy than genuine performance and driver involvement.
I don't mind the fact that the JDM car is a 4 door, I know in the results that it weighs even less than this 3 door car we're getting...and I have more confidence that those clever people in Japan has pored over the minute details to extract as much performance as possible within the Type R ethos. They didn't come to the conclusion that it could do without an LSD...they've shown us in the comparative lap times that it is a very effective machine despite the 4 door layout.
I leave you now with the image of Ayrton Senna driving the NSX Type R around Suzuka (if you haven't seen it, youtube it, it's worth it). Now, there is a core appeal of true Type R, whether it be an NSX, Civic or Integra. The only image I associate with the UK CTR are hats worn backwards and neon lights driving down Chapel st wif da doof doof cranked up to 11.
I don't see the comparo on their website: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/archive/Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
it will be interesting to see the sales results... being realtively new to hondas (not so much of a vtec fanatic) i dont feel that strongly about the "Type R" badge... Honda has done the smart thing here... hot hatches are the flavour of the months and they bring repeat customers in to buy the family car etc.. VW has done the same thing with the GTi.... an iconic badge for much longer than "Type R".
To compete with these cars, the car needs to be specced up... its hooks will be its character and styling (which is divisive, but ive got an FD civic so i know what it feels like). At the end of the day, all car makers are in business to MAKE MONEY... How many nice cars are going to be available if Honda cater to a small bunch of enthusiasts half of which (lets be real here) have no intention of buying either the JDM or UK CTR.
It's funny that people are saying that the UK CTR is not a true type R, while they like the JDM one which breaks the Type R tradition of having 2 doors. :)
Oh and for that Porsche analogy, they are backed by the German government. I don't think Honda Australia is backed by the Australian government and therefore can't risk bad business models.
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Porsche are a publicly listed company with probably the largest brand awareness of any car manufacturer. They know how to do business in the car world and they are very good at trading off their brand. Their success is not a product of Government protectionism unlike our local manufacturers. In fact a lot of their business comes from consultancy so they know a thing or two.
What Honda Aus are risking are the loyalty of a group of their devotees. Having said that, I don't doubt that they will continue to make money, and that you can't please all people. They will probably gain followers from this venture, but every once in a while, at least throw us a bone to keep us types happy, and don't try to tell me this orange is the latest and greatest apple!
I agree with what you are saying here, but I think we need to note that unlike Porshe, the majority of Honda sales are not in the traditional 'sports car' market. Look at the number of Euro's sold as a good example.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
That being said, I do find it incredibly interesting the direction of the new car market. You have companies like Nissan who are bringing out the 'super car' gtr as well as the sales seen of the 350z and rx8. To me it would appear on its face that the sports car market is doing pretty well. That being said I think a few things always need to be considered by car manufacturers when looking at new models:
I think we also need to remember that most people here are not true representatives of the car buying public. Most here are enthusiasts, who know (or want to know) about their cars which is fairly different to the average buyer.
- Market size and scope
- Market demand (whether influenced by the particular manufacturer through advertising or not)
- Strategic direction of the overall car manufacturer
- Strategic direction of the local car manufacturer (ie the Honda brand in the Australian setting - this is particularly different to the last dot point)
- etc etc
One thing for sure... sports car sales are dying "slowly"... look at the market now... Toyot stop Supra and Celica and only making Aurion (big bulky car - sounds like a family car to me) as their sports car? Honda stop Integra (and Jap dealer told me when I was there that they will soon or later stop S2000 as well) Mitshubishi stop their 2 doors car (only EVO left as their sports range - 4 doors? again... family car?).
Well most of the customer wants is, like aarong sed, value for money. some minor ppl (especially for 1st time car buyer - like myself and other P Platers) might still want to get power + sporty looks on their car...
but yea... i think there wont be much to choose in terms of sports car form Jap manufacturer...
Believe it or not UNLS1, u barely seen any Sports car on Tokyo streets most of the time. they only out around midnight on weekends around some "gathering" area... daily, ppl drive fit (jazz) or smaller cars... No more "wow" looking car on Tokyo on daylight for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Yes, they are publicly listed. But the German government is pretty protective of their national "assets" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
Unfortunately for those in their 30s and 40s with lots of money, they don't have brand loyalty. And this bone costs a lot to make if they can only toss one or two hundred bones. They need a market of at least a thousand a year I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
I think it was evo mag 102, they don't publish all the magazine articles on the website. I have it somewhere at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Anyway, to all you CTR buyers, enjoy the car. Whether it's true to what we perceive as `Type R' Heritage doesn't matter if you like the way it looks and goes.
4 door vs 2 door thing? Come on I thought you were a honda fan! There have been 2 highly acclaimed 4 door Type R accords already... once again the point is about the substance and ethos of the car.
http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCORDEURO-R/
again like I sed... another "family car" to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
LOL, the EuroR is not a Type R. :) It's just an Accord with a k20A and Recaros. The suspension is still softer than a TSX. There is no additional chassis strenghtening nor bracing over the standard model. Weight reduction? None at all. It still gets the full interior, dual zone climate control and even the sat nav option.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Also, if I can quote Tsuchiya Keiichi, "アコドはタイプRじゃない。イユロRよ。". Or translated loosely, "The Accord is not a real Type R. It is an EuroR."
I want to add that there is one thing that indicates whether the car is a real Type R. That is when Honda uses a thinner windscreen for weight reduction. Whether the UK CTR has a thinner windscreen, I do not know. :)
How true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
Keiichi does have good opinions, but EVO rated them both. So I need to expand beyond EVO, but obviously your Japanese is better than mine! (well you probably used google)
Anyway aaron, if the CTR is a Type R in your eyes, then so be it. For me, I watched the DC5R come out in 2001 and now 6 years later in 2007 I see very little difference between it and the CTR. What is a Type R fan boy to do?!
Defect to a Megane R26 :) The RenaultSport boys are also quite good at creating sums greater than their parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Honda DB8R anyone? LOL!
Thanks for the complement. I did Japanese at school. Helps with all the new Best Motoring issues that have no subtitles. But the volume with the EuroR had english subtitles too (which was pretty terrible in my opinion)Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
I don't really care if the CTR is a real Type R. To me, all it is is a sub $40,000 hot hatch, in the same class as the GTI. Just because a car has the Type R name doesn't mean that it is good. Judge each car individually I say. Heck, if the JDM CTR was called a Civic Extra, if it had all the necessities of a track car, then I'd consider it a good daily driver that can go on the track (i.e. the original objective of a Type R).Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Honda DB8R
Ha Ha! oops...
:thumbsup:
does the ctr have a lsd?
no it doesnt
dam that sucks.
man this is one of the best threads i have seen on here, so many good opinions! and for 16 pages its kept so nice and clean! well done blokes!
I just took the CTR for a spin just then.....theres alot i want to say but u cant tell much after drivin it for like 15mins.
Im takin it home friday night so ill post up my thoughts on sat!
mate.... u the man UNLS1... wot colour is ur CTR? black?
have fun with ur CTR :)
Take some happy snaps as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
He works at a dealership.Quote:
Originally Posted by R123
lol i drove a silver one, im now looking at the black one.
and we just sold the red one!
I still dont understand, Honda JP already developed the CTR and alread in production, so why Honda Aus cant get them available for us? It doesnt hurt the market to have the JP CTR as another option for some enthusiests, plus its a 4 door so you can put baby seats in and drive your parents around. That way ppl who loves the hatches can get the UK CTR and the sedans can get the JP CTR, whoever is a hardcore type r fan will know which one to choose. Get rid of the Civic vti-L, so we have civic vti for the standard, civic sports for the ones with spare money, civic hybrid for peaceful ones, UK CTR for the hatch lovers, JP CTR for the JDM enthusiests. Really, just give us 10 JP CTR in AUS and see if it sells in the 1st month, it all honda so im sure it doesnt hurt them that much to make 10 extra to experiment aus market.
The issue as I would see it is that Honda AU would still have to go through the full ADR and registration process for the Japanese car (which as has been discussed) costs both time and money. To cover those costs they have to sell more units so it starts to become a 'cost benefit analysis' type situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by vupham
Guys,
Just took it for a quick wrap down the street. Feels pretty punchy, nice and tight, nice sounding engine & good brakes.
I think its definately a step in the right direction.
I'm sure UNLS1 will give a better review than I lol...
As for vupham, mate its so easy to talk about it in theory, but to make it reality is near impossible. There are so many factors with bringing another car here. You have no idea how hard it was to get the UKCTR for our market.
the biggest issue was quality! the britts arnt known for quality built cars. At the launch i talked to the 2 blokes from honda UK about the quality. It was amazing the stuff they were goin on about. This car in Aus is a massive thing for honda UK!
Honda aus believe there are 3 smiles to this car
1. When u look at it
2.When u sit in it
3. When u drive it
i had a small hard on after my quick drive hahahahaha j/k
ill post up sat morn.
Looking forward to hearing the first hand reports.
Personally I have a :( about no. 1, but fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
yeah its like that. its goin to come down to person opinions i think.
im getting alot of i love it so much
and omg the front looks great but the back looks shocking!
PICTURES OR BAN....omg show us pictures...and give us a proper review..time to book a test drive!!!
is it possible just to have test drive? or do we have to look like we wanna buy it? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by industrie
i reckon "true" type R's are all going to be in the form of k-swaps from now on in aus :p
at least we will have a few more k20a's for sale in the next 12 months.. thanks CTR owners :thumbsup:
44k drive away is not bad for a CTR except this ugly Honda...
teh euro typeR is waste of money, JDM typeR is much better
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Type-X
JDM CTR got 221kw and our dodgy one got 186kw
for 44k, i rather get another hot hatch not a copy 206 LOL
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Originally Posted by TypeG
um ill take a 186 kw k20a CTR. just not a 148kw one
Thanks for your constructive opinion. JDM honda forum that way =>Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeG
umm the jdm ctr is 165kW
http://http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/webcatalog/engine/
i love it how all the young honda fans who dont really understand where the market is talk about power and performance...if you want something fast get a turbo car or something V8 and above...i think until they understand where the business is going and whats viable for profits, you will always get those comments...until then we have a UK type R and thats all australia will get and that is to compete in the hot hatch market!
Please do review it, but when doing a review about your test drive in a CTR...please let us know what car you own/drive daily...
because if you own an EVO (i know this is a Honda forum, but for argument sake lets say someone here does own an EVO), your opinion about the CTR's drive/handling/etc can be read differently. On the other hand, if you have a Holden Barina, of course you will be impressed by the CTR.
Oh my god. I cant remmber the last time i read such a fantastic post on ozhonda.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
*hats off*
Us young 30 year old's understand where the market is... and don't understand why people are falling over themselves for a car that on paper seems like very little improvement over a DC5R, six years on.Quote:
Originally Posted by industrie
Guess we wait and see how it drives for the final verdict.
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
i have a very open opinion, i understand the market, im a honda dealer...
My opinion is open coz i love my cars. Ive had 3 holdens my last a 5.7lt V8 that i miss so much.
I have lernt since being in the auto industry no to be one eyed!
I love the new CTR, i love all hondas in general for what the are and what they do!
I still love my V8s, ive drivin golf gtis, XR5 and most other cars that compete against hondas too.
Im on here coz i love hondas, my holden mates bag me but i dont care as they are the one eyed bogans who have no idea! I love the golf GTi too, i even love ford XR6 turbos....
anyhow i do what i do coz i love it! and im so very proud to work for honda and sell such a good product!
Im going to purchase another V8 soon so i can have the best of both worlds!
Sorry for this post, i may sound like a loser but i dont care!
P.s i cant wait to take the CTR home tom night lol
What engine does it have? K20A what?
is this any quicker then the EP3?
EP3's seem to have a $32k asking price, who in their right mind would pay $32k for an EP3 when the new CTR is $40k
You made a good point there, i am getting my civic type r in a couple of weeks, i even considered the ep3 but looking at their price which is around 28-32 k is just ridiculous. I might consider the ep3 if it cost 20 - 25kQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffske
I test drove an EP3 and it's a great car, but I agree it's a mid 20's car. I think you will find you can negotiate that 32K asking price down well into the 20's and they will settle around that price as more come in.
Have to wait and see if it is quicker, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffske
EP3 158kW, 1200kg 7.6kg/kW
AUCTR 148kW, 1345kg 9kg/kW
However, the AUCTR has lower gearing with a FD of 5.062 versus EP3 4.764, which will help it make up the power to weight deficit.
Is the AUCTR 40K on road? I thought 40K plus on-road costs?
is the ep3 158 kw? arent they build in uk and has the same k20 as the new ctr?Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
JDM EP3 gets a 215ps engine, compared to UK's 200hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by sitta
There is a review of the CTR in July 07 Motor mag. Mixed review - ride not so good as was road noise. Weight listed as 1345kg which is suspect as the base euro is 1375kg.
Did they list the 0-100km/h and 400m times?Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
The Euro also got the same thing about choppy ride and road noise with the michelins back in 2003.
Nope - no testing. There is a good break out piece on the JDM Type R and they discuss how much better the JDM version is. They also say "while both cars weigh in at 1270kg"| - in reference to the JDM and European CTR. Not sure why there are so many weight figures for the same car.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I also have the Motor Mag.These reviewers over the years have been spoilt with cars such as BMWs Mercs,etc and they expect superb handling/roadholding and not a hint of vibration or hardness in the ride of a $40,000 car,for goodness sake it's a Type R!The grandpa reviewer in the Motor mag should not be given the job of reviewing sports cars but luxury cars eg Audi A8etc.
The JDM Civic Type R apparently has a VERY hard suspension set up so they would sook about that to ad infinitum
i still reckon Honda Aus etc have given us the bare minimum with this 'type R'.
result = wouldnt even consider buying one. 45 grand on road.. ill buy a dc2r or dc5r and modify with the change.
OK my mini review, im not going to sound like an auto writer just a normal car lover. (not just honda)
Well i chucked guns n roses in the cd player, welcome to the jungle comes on, i drive out and after 3rd gear i realise i dont need music on, the car sound bloody horn!
Im gunna kind of compare to my old demo the 06 type S integra. The seats are fantastic, so strong and firm and me being 6'3" hold me in just perfect. The old type S seats were the worst seats ever, didnt do squat!
The gear box is just awsome, smooth quick gear changes that are pretty much effortles. Once this car gets to about 5 1/2 grand i tell u wat the roar is unbelievable. It sounds nothing like the old type S. It screams! and its great watchin the lil vtec light light up!
I decided to take the mrs for a spin around the yarra bend (for melb people u know where it is) being 830pm dark as can be and a lil mist rain. Its like it was ment for the twisties, ive taken heaps of new cars round this bend and this one seems the best so far, its more like being stuck on rails the whole time, VSA had to work a lil but did a great job at all times of need. Doin those bends u dont really need the breaks that much just alot of gear changing from 2nd to 3rd and back again, if u hit 4th u would be doin over 100.
The breaking is outstanding also, it pulls up hard and the ABS comes on at the last 2nd.
The one thing with this car is the sound its just amazing and u want to hear it all the time.
Now if i was given a teg type S i would hand it back, shocking seats, very poor turning circle, crap saftey features, bad blind spots and just annoying to drive in everyday traffic.
I think the best thing about the CTR is u could drive it as a daily and it drives just like a normal car with comfort and ease. The 2nd u want to drive it like it should u have a different car again!
Watching a 50yo man pick up his red one yesterday was a great feeling, hes had a few civics before, hell he even had the 1st one to come to aus in the 70's! He was like a child, couldnt wait to get in and drive it and had the biggest smile ever. In this business @ honda where ive been for 3 years i cant remember the last time we had a customer so happy and excited about a new car. We took his pic of him next to it and sent it to honda aus telling them it was good to get that feeling back again.
Now some of u arnt happy its not a true type R i understand but makin it this way opens it up to a larger market. Id take this over the jap type R sedan as i think that just looks like a normal vti civic riced up with a big wing and has no appeal to me visually( i know the donk is more powerful ect).
Im going to sell one today to an older mother whos kids have grown up and she wants to get rid of the 7 seater and have a lil sports car she can enjoy! i think thats great!
We are finding a few of the performance car people are now ordering them to!
Im also about to get my old man out of the SS and into one and he is very excited.
Just remember this is just my opinion on the car, i love it, i would drive one everyday and i still cant get the smile of my face after driving it, i even had to get the XR5 out at work and drive it just to make sure i wasnt getting to excited over nothing, well i wasnt!
james
u are doing a good job for Honda Australia !Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Do they pay u well for these reviews ?
just joking ... :)
lol no they dont!
I forgot to say a few bad things....some of the plastics dont line up, in some ways the thai civics a better in some parts and others the uk quality is better than thai. Its hard to explain unless i point it out in the car.
Remembering the engine and gear box is out of japan too.
It takes a bit of getting used to looking in ur rear view and seeing the spoiler split up the rear window too.
I test drove the Type R this morning and put down a deposit, with the car arriving in approximately 3 weeks. Very very impressive I must say, I was hesitant of the look of the rear but once you see it in person in it blends in with the rest of the car quite well, and looking at the rear from the a distance it looks great. In comparing it to my Integra VTi-R (Hondata, Toda header, Mugen cat back, Injen CAI, 116kw atw) I would say the Civic Type R is definately as quick, but it is so much smoother than my old Integra and seems to take less effort. The gearbox and clutch... delicious. What I was most impressed with is the interior features, they definately compare to a luxury car.
My criticisms are the fuel filler cap, the quality and finish of it is absolutely crap, I don't know why Honda didn't make it colour coded and have it flush with the rear panel like any other Honda. The driving position, for me at 5'8'' the steering wheel obscured the view of the tacho, and after about 10 minutes of adjusting the seat and steering wheel I still couldn't find a position where I could fully see it. Finally the position of the rear spoiler, visability is pretty poor, again why didn't Honda position the spoiler at the top of the window like the concept car.
Overall I was very impressed with the car, and the service and deal I received from my dealer. Just for a comparison I test drove the Golf GTi, Renault Megane Sport, Honda Accord Euro, and the Subaru WRX.
Well done wazza very happy for ya mate! ;-)
Hey Wazza
How does the CTR compare to the Golf Gti?
i went in and checked the car out today at robert lane...its fantastic, looks hot comfortable and seriously the looks grow on you...the wheels look fantastic..as agreed the spoiler is in the way of the rear, but you can get used to it...either black or red would be the best colour for this car...im itching to trade my euro lux for this car haha...but well see after i can get a test drive and find out what its really like! but overall everyone whos seen it in the flesh and is looking for a new car has given it a the thumbs up
I had a look at the Civic today too - test driving next Saturday. It is impressive and lots of room in the rear seats too (although head room in rear seats not so good for tall passengers). I don't see 2 doors vs 4 doors as a huge inconvenience as access to the rear is very good. Boot space - good. Mirrors - massive and very good. Space saver tyre - not so good. As is the plastic fuel filler cap - really bad.
Some other observations.
The engine bay is very tight and compact. I can't see fitting a strut brace as possible as one tower is hidden. Fitting aftermarket exhaust could be problematic too given the way the exhaust finishers are designed. So perhaps not the car for people keen to modify.
Seats are quite comfy but not very broad (I found it tight in the thighs but the back was perfect) so if you are a "chunky" person you might find it a tight fit or even uncomfortable on long drives.
I have the optional accessory list (but no prices)- if people want me to I can scan it up here...
Looks wise, the Civic wins hands down in my view, as I found the Golf very bland both interior wise and exterior wise. But the Civic is very in your face, while the Golf is understated, its personal choice I suppose and I can see why a person would buy either car. My concern with the Golf was that in order to get it to how I wanted, ie replacing the crappy 'scottish kilt' seats with leather and getting the DSG I would be looking at well over $50K, and then to also get the colour I wanted with those options I would be looking at a three month wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATSE
Accessory and specification wise, the Civic again wins again. Although I am a sucker for the little gadgets in the Civic like the folding mirrors and climate controlled glove box. I think Honda has done very well to have such a well kitted out car for under $40k.
Driving wise, very very close. The useable power on the Golf is amazing, down low it still pulls, but I guess you can expect that from a turbocharged car with superior torque. On the otherhand, you have to rev the **** off the Civic to get into useable power, but it loves it, which is what we all love about Honda engines. The DSG on the Golf is absolutely amazing, it cannot be compared to any tiptronic, completely different. The gearchange is instantaneous, and when you are belting it, the gearchange gets you right in the powerband again. Then again its about a $3000 option, but I would love to see the Civic with DSG. On the road I also found the Golf to almost float when pressed hard in corners, which made me very uneasy.
At the end of the day I love Hondas so I chose the Civic, but both cars are exceptional.
Hey Guys,
I just test drove one today. And i'm telling ya, it was fantastic.
I got to drive a Red one. Took me awhile to get used to the fact that the indicators were on the right hand drive like in european cars :p, but after i got over that the drive was just awesome.
The acceleration is really good and it just takes off when you get it upto around 5000 rpm. Had a really hard time keeping it at 60km/h in 60 zones. The handling was very responsive, even though its got electronic steering.
And let me tell ya, this is one head turna of a car, everybody from little kids to old grannies were turning around to have a look at it.
I liked the interior and found the seats to be pretty comfy and kept me in place. Had a couple of my mates in the back seat and they said it was the same back there as well.
Personally i loved driving this car and am hoping to buy one as soon as i can afford one :D
I guess it's not a proper review but thought of sharing my experience with you guys.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
kanishkaz - unless you are on the track - pls be careful what you post -particularly any reference to illegal road speeds.
good to see some people drivin it!
The thing about these cars is u get heaps of dreamers just commin in wanting to drive it but have no intention of buying a new car at all. But usually after chattin to them a bit u can find out if they are genuine or not.
I wont take any tom dick or harry for a test drive if they just come in and go let me drive one...
Luckily,my name is Joe :DQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
I took a look at the Type R on Saturday,I didn't take it for a test drive(that may come later ,after some financial considerations) The car in person,looks quite stunning,some reviewers have said that the shape may date quickly.INMHO,the shape has actually dated the competitors,such as the Golf GTI,XR5 and Megane RS.
The seats are good ,however, if your backside happens to be very big you may find it uncomfortable ,especially on longer trips.
Just looking at the unique dash gave me a feeling of being in a "special" car.
I hope the sales go very well,because we may later see a continued effort by Honda to bring in more Type R/sports cars especially if Thailand gears up for such cars ,I'm sure that they would be very competitive price wise.
AUS get like only 10% of the whole JDM car types...
Another sad fact is that honda around the world are rebadging unoptimised hondas as type r's and its currently killing the type r marque.
Type R's were once advertised as a Race Car from the box
I no longer hear that or believe that with the later versions.
I honestly cant see the same thing happening to the japanese domestic market. They would seriously loose face if they were to name one of the current, later r's as a type r in jap as their flagship model for the make.
nevertheless the badge sells.. its all about sales and profits
I thought there was no way that it'd be that porky, but the honda aust website lists its mass as 1345kg...
Is the jdm version as obese as ours?
JDM 4 door CTR weighs in at 1270kg.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
damn.. how did the little hatch get so porky.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoNode
what a fat biach:thumbsup: more cushion for the pushin
how it get so heavy? the fn2 ist still light its just that the jdm type r is extremely light. Jdm type r got no stereo system not even a speaker. they did everything to keep the weight down while the Fn2 got 6 speakers, etc etc. the fn actually weights around 1270 as well but the gt model adds foglights etc