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13-01-2008, 04:08 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by tekung89

lol man u have the worst luck for some reason. i turbod my civic in 1 week and everything was fine up until now

He dose :thumbdwn:

I turbod my Civic in 7 hours :p

What's wrong with yours?
13-01-2008, 05:10 PM
1996ek1

nothing, unfortunatley i dont have ALL the parts for the turbo yet
Almost there!!!!
13-01-2008, 05:49 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1996ek1

nothing, unfortunatley i dont have ALL the parts for the turbo yet
Almost there!!!!

lol

How can you stand the wait?

I can never wait for anything :p

RedVTi must be going insane by now lol
13-01-2008, 08:43 PM
1996ek1

Yea, im dyeing to get it over with.
I WANNA FEEL THE BOOST...

but i cant, lol
few $$ short; and waiting on some people
13-01-2008, 09:25 PM
Limbo

i know i am
14-01-2008, 12:49 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukezen27

lol

How can you stand the wait?

I can never wait for anything :p

RedVTi must be going insane by now lol

Yeah...I was going loopy...christmas came and no new toy to play with. Not cool :(

Anyway, that's why I asked Tim to send the car off to get the gearbox fixed and in meantime work on my S13 to make it bulletproof :thumbsup: Heaps of upgrade have been done in the last 2 weeks.

I did ask my civic politely to be a good boy after we performed the major surgery. And it answered me with a finger. Luck...what's that?! It said " Show me the money now !!! ".
14-01-2008, 02:45 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

Yeah...I was going loopy...christmas came and no new toy to play with. Not cool :(

Anyway, that's why I asked Tim to send the car off to get the gearbox fixed and in meantime work on my S13 to make it bulletproof :thumbsup: Heaps of upgrade have been done in the last 2 weeks.

I did ask my civic politely to be a good boy after we performed the major surgery. And it answered me with a finger. Luck...what's that?! It said " Show me the money now !!! ".

So did you even boost up your street a lest?
09-04-2008, 10:04 PM
RedVTi

It's alive!!!

The map sensor issue issue is now sorted. The boost comes on strong and the turbo is running smoothly. Everything appears normal for now.

I waited 3 months for someone to be free so he can look at it. I guess it is worth the wait because the cost to sort the headache is only $150

Time to move forward....
09-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Limbo

cool finally done also aye
10-04-2008, 07:32 AM
Lukezen27

Well its about dam time...

How's she rip'n?
11-04-2008, 11:54 AM
FEL12X

saw the car last night

its quick and smooth

but abit smokey tho *cough*

still need some tuning i think
14-04-2008, 04:34 PM
Weq

Quote:

Originally Posted by FEL12X

saw the car last night

its quick and smooth

but abit smokey tho *cough*

still need some tuning i think

Thats the nature of the chinese turbos put together by child labour. They use a peice of wood and some stick tape to balance the wheels.
15-04-2008, 01:29 PM
paps02

bro this looks good
17-05-2008, 04:01 PM
RedVTi

Hi all,

It is alive and boosting.... though I think next things I need are raditors, coil overs and new clutch. Tim will need to install the gauges and SAFC so we can tune it for bigger power.

I don't know how much power it has now but it has no problem pulling away from V6s.

And my baby also scored a Sparco seat along the way. Don't knock the side mirrors. Yes, they are ricey and pretty much useless.

Stay tuned!

Enjoy the new pics. At least it is not sitting inside the garage this time. LOL.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f.../IMG_0198A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f.../IMG_0204A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f.../IMG_0196A.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0197.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f.../IMG_0199a.jpg

The only thing left remaining from the crappy XS turbo kit is this manifold. Everything else has been ditched and replaced with better stuff. Even the dump pipe is custom made.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0202.jpg
17-05-2008, 05:48 PM
Lukezen27

Nice one bro :thumbsup:

Red Civics rock!!!
Looks hot apart from those mirrors :p Makes me wish I went with red seats and not black lol

So the eBay kit ended up being a bad chose hey!

At lest this thread shows the downfalls to anyone trying to save a bit of cash by buying cheap eBay kit.

What power is she making?

You'll love coilovers and a new clutch :thumbsup:

Are you doing any brake upgrades or leaving it stock?

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen
18-05-2008, 07:54 AM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukezen27

Nice one bro :thumbsup:

Red Civics rock!!!
Looks hot apart from those mirrors :p Makes me wish I went with red seats and not black lol

So the eBay kit ended up being a bad chose hey!

At lest this thread shows the downfalls to anyone trying to save a bit of cash by buying cheap eBay kit.

What power is she making?

You'll love coilovers and a new clutch :thumbsup:

Are you doing any brake upgrades or leaving it stock?

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen

Thanks mate.

Yes, don't ever buy any cheap ebay turbo kit. Save yourself from headache. At least buy a decent kit like the Greddy one.
18-05-2008, 08:01 PM
Limbo

lol even i could have told you that one ;)
I think its more don't buy cheap made in china kits and no-brand turbos
19-05-2008, 10:55 AM
040501912

how you... getting the cold air for your turbo intake =.= seems pretty tight eeeh...

oh btw just quick question how did you fix your map sensor? cheers..
20-05-2008, 11:58 AM
kraiye

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukezen27

Hey wheres your turbo inlet filter located as I can't see it in the photos?

LukeZen

look at the turbo closer... u cant see it cause it's not there! lol

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0202.jpg
20-05-2008, 12:24 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraiye

look at the turbo closer... u cant see it cause it's not there! lol

DOH

That's cheat'n lol
20-05-2008, 11:06 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

At this stage, I do not know what will work and what won't work until the exhaust is done and start driving it.

I am sure all of you have good advices:)

I bought the injectors and pump so it won't lean out and end up cost more to fix. They are not expensive items.

Here is the cost summary to date:

Imported EK with rego $6,300.00

XS T3/T4 Turbokit $1,150.00
Stainless Steel Oil line $90.00
Second intercooler $160.00
3" to 2.5" reducer 90degree $35.00
Apexi AFC Neo $420.00
550cc Injectors -saturated high impedance $200.00
255 LPG Fuel pump $80.00
Sard Fuel regulator $164.00
Cluster console for duel gauges $40.00
Boost gauge & oil temp gauges $80.00
Front strut bar $50.00
Front lower 4 points H bar $90.00
Total : $8,859.00

Custom Exhaust with Xforce items( may use a Varex muffler) TBA
Clutch, pressure plate ( ACT/Exedy) TBA
Flywheel TBA
Brake pads TBA

I need to keep track of the costs because i have two projects running at the same time.

Most importantly, the cost of this project + the car must stay below the cost of an imported EK Type R/VTi-R in order to prove that the statement in my signature is true. Fast EK is both affordable and fun. We have already got another working example but it has a custom turbo kit with expensive parts.

What should be the expected power after all the work is done? 120kw at the wheel? Become a mess and take months to sort out?

Stay tuned.........

Okay, I am going to redo the total spend.

XS T3/T4 Turbokit $1,150.00
Unused kits part sold individually -$850.00
Nissan R33 turbo (spare) $0.00
Stainless Steel Oil line $90.00
Second intercooler $160.00
3" to 2.5" reducer 90degree $35.00
Sard Fuel regulator $164.00
Front strut bar $50.00
Turboback stainless steel exhaust $850.00
Map sensor fix $150.00
Sparco sear with rails $300.00

Total : $2,099

I have spent $2,099 excluding Tim's labour cost to have this civic reaching this level. It is not the running at it is full potential but at least it is boosting smoothly and does not have bad idling. It is like a factory turbo car and it is definitely faster than a Vti-R in straight line. Now I need to install the below parts to reach the next level.

Items not used:

Apexi AFC Neo $420.00 Not yet nstalled
255 LPG Fuel pump $80.00 Not yet installed
Cluster console for duel gauges $40.00 Not yet installed
Boost gauge & oil temp gauges $80.00 Not yet installed
Front lower 4 points H bar $90.00 Not yet installed
Clutch TBA
Radiator TBA
Coilover TBA

550cc Injectors -saturated high impedance $200.00 Now Sold
20-05-2008, 11:10 PM
EKCivic96

so not using an ECU at all??

very nice work
20-05-2008, 11:11 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by EKCivic96

so not using an ECU at all??

very nice work

Factory ECU.. occasional engine light comes on under hard boost.

Everything looks factory inside still.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0200.jpg

Thanks
21-05-2008, 08:35 AM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

Factory ECU.. occasional engine light comes on under hard boost.

Everything looks factory inside still.

Thanks

Never new you could run boost with the stock ECU at all lol
21-05-2008, 10:58 AM
Limbo

looks like he got around it with the Map sensor Fix.
It tricks the ECU so i thinks its not reading boost.
Not the best option for turbos as you could get alot of detonation.
I'd recommend an ecu
26-05-2008, 11:56 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limbo

looks like he got around it with the Map sensor Fix.
It tricks the ECU so i thinks its not reading boost.
Not the best option for turbos as you could get alot of detonation.
I'd recommend an ecu

What ECU do you recommend? Do you think I can get by using the Apexi Neo-AFC since the civic is using stock injectors and pump?

The engine light still comes on under hard boost and I need to switch off the ignition and restart in order to reset it. Otherwise, the ECU will stay in limp mode after the light comes on.

Can someone please advise which method will fix this?

1. Use a check value
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU
27-05-2008, 08:31 AM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

What ECU do you recommend? Do you think I can get by using the Apexi Neo-AFC since the civic is using stock injectors and pump?

The engine light still comes on under hard boost and I need to switch off the ignition and restart in order to reset it. Otherwise, the ECU will stay in limp mode after the light comes on.

Can someone please advise which method will fix this?

1. Use a check value
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU

1. Use a check value (foind out what the check light is) http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67113
2. Purchase a 3 bar map sensor (what would this help? are you running more than 11PSI?)
3. Use Apexi Neo-AFC or other ECU (Why both when you can get a aftermarket ECU for just a bit more)
27-05-2008, 09:20 AM
Aza

when i first bought my civic it was previously turboed running on the factory ecu. it didnt last very long and defantly didnt perform, by the end it couldnt hold the boost without alot of jerking, warning lights, ect.... that setup also lead in blowing up the turbo and ****ing the engine. mind u on that set up there were a few other things that needed to be fixed. to fix the setup in that car i basictly ****ed off everything and started again.

my second setup i ran a hondata s100 and it made 108kw's on around 5 psi.... that was using an rb20 turbo.

if i were u i would do the ecu now before u do damage to ur parts
27-05-2008, 01:01 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aza

when i first bought my civic it was previously turboed running on the factory ecu. it didnt last very long and defantly didnt perform, by the end it couldnt hold the boost without alot of jerking, warning lights, ect.... that setup also lead in blowing up the turbo and ****ing the engine. mind u on that set up there were a few other things that needed to be fixed. to fix the setup in that car i basictly ****ed off everything and started again.

my second setup i ran a hondata s100 and it made 108kw's on around 5 psi.... that was using an rb20 turbo.

if i were u i would do the ecu now before u do damage to ur parts

Thanks

Did you have fun with the Civic? Or prefer your Evo :p

I don't know how close i am to having a functional turbo Civic? Any idea?
27-05-2008, 01:04 PM
Aza

On a budget build u can never really know how reliable it will be. BUT the first step to making it reliable and drive how it should would be a safe tune.

and..... EVO!!!! Civic was fun cuase of torque steer and loosing traction but i still much prefer the evo
27-05-2008, 01:30 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aza

On a budget build u can never really know how reliable it will be. BUT the first step to making it reliable and drive how it should would be a safe tune.

and..... EVO!!!! Civic was fun cuase of torque steer and loosing traction but i still much prefer the evo

Cool. I like Evo, especially your version. Much lighter than later series.

On your civic, did you break anything else besides the engine. For example, did the driveshafts and gearbox hold up? How about the chasis front?
27-05-2008, 01:36 PM
Aza

when i re did the engine i had to replace an engine mount and both cv's. but that was more fatigue in the car then anything to do with the engine. But as far as damaging goes. the turbo had completely seized from it which put oil all through the intercooler piped into the front mount, so i ditched that front mount. blow off valve was the same oil all through it. Also rendered the pod useless when the oil going into the turbo ****ed the seals and went all sprayed all over the intake. It was abit of a mess. Like i said thats why i re did it all :)
27-05-2008, 01:48 PM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aza

when i re did the engine i had to replace an engine mount and both cv's. but that was more fatigue in the car then anything to do with the engine. But as far as damaging goes. the turbo had completely seized from it which put oil all through the intercooler piped into the front mount, so i ditched that front mount. blow off valve was the same oil all through it. Also rendered the pod useless when the oil going into the turbo ****ed the seals and went all sprayed all over the intake. It was abit of a mess. Like i said thats why i re did it all :)

Yeah, that's sounds a mess but at least you fixed it all.

But i really want know is that if anything else fail due to extra stress and constant abuse from the turbo.

What clutch did you use?
27-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Aza

I used an excedy sports tuff clutch. clutch and drive shafts would be the ones to watch for, ur not putting out massive power so it shouldnt be too much of a problem
27-05-2008, 06:32 PM
Lukezen27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aza

I used an excedy sports tuff clutch. clutch and drive shafts would be the ones to watch for, ur not putting out massive power so it shouldnt be too much of a problem

What power would f**k the drive shafts?

I'm running an Extreme clutch rated to 250kw so that's no problems :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

Yeah, that's sounds a mess but at least you fixed it all.

But i really want know is that if anything else fail due to extra stress and constant abuse from the turbo.

What clutch did you use?

What power are you making?
28-05-2008, 07:42 AM
Aza

also depends how harsh ur power delivery is how much stress it will put on the drivetrain

but from what i can gather off other people around 200kw's it can start to be a problem, so u shouldnt have anything to worry about.
13-07-2008, 05:12 PM
RedVTi

Here are the final pictures for this civic projects.

Parts and the car will appear to the " Parts for sale" and "Car for sale" section shortly.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0234.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0231.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0239.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0233.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/IMG_0229.jpg
13-07-2008, 05:48 PM
Lukezen27

All that just to sell it bah

Strange
15-07-2008, 08:14 AM
Aza

always happens :D

what is ur reasons, not a bad setup
15-07-2008, 10:25 PM
kraiye

red + black + BC2 + FMIC = SEX
16-07-2008, 12:17 AM
RedVTi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aza

always happens :D

what is ur reasons, not a bad setup

Still looking for a good reason.

Let's just say the car deserves better attention than what I am willing to give.
There is something else raising my heart beat more than boost.

I have only driven less than 2000km since I owned it. It still have plenty of potential.

:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:
04-08-2008, 12:10 AM
spuderump

how much KWs does it give with the turbo kit installed?
11-08-2008, 04:16 AM
Bludger

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedVTi

Just want to show you the items which i have included in my cost summary. They are not installed yet. Will do it the same time when I installed the other sponsored items.

Front strut brace and lower 4 points bar

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...i/DSC01165.jpg

that 4 point brace is total rubbish.

I installed one on my dc2r.
Low and behold, one day i look under the car to find that it was totally snapped in half. I couldn't even remember hitting anything.
You yourself can confirm that it is vrey cheap looking, light and flimsy.

just my 2cents
thanks
11-08-2008, 08:57 AM
hisoka

is it a copy of the cusco one bludger ??

btw nice thread guy~you are pretty good with the tools and mechnical buisness
14-08-2008, 09:57 PM
Bludger

Quote:

Originally Posted by hisoka

is it a copy of the cusco one bludger ??

btw nice thread guy~you are pretty good with the tools and mechnical buisness

I can weld a better one myself
24-08-2008, 11:09 PM
rosso

You can run factory ECU with Stock Injectors, Stock Fuel Pump if you have an FMU (Fuel Management Unit) installed you'll be fine :)

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