MY FD ONLY TAKES ME 450km FULL TANK AND ITS BRAND NEW

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Originally Posted by FDPete

Buddah, how the heck to you average 7.08 L/100KM in yoru euro? What type of driving do you do?

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All my driving is country, mostly rural B class roads - no freeway driving & obviously some driving in country towns. When i go to town which until recently was daily, it is 25km each way + about 7km of town driving. I would do that trip twice a day, 5 days a week. I recently took the Euro to Sydney & back, a round trip of 3075km & averaged 6.45L/100km for the trip. Here is a picture i took of the trip computer on that trip.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o.../SydTrip09.jpg

ahh that makes sense now...you could get away with a V8!

why would I want a V8, I can't think of a decent 1 under 100k that i would buy

just got 705k's out of one tank with 2 bars showing. light just came on.

after the light comes on how long berfore your fuel fully runs out??

ive driven a further 100km with the light on, but too scared to test the limits lol
im guessing it has 10litres left or so

After I ran out of the last two bars and still drove on for a further 50km+ there was STILL 7 liters left in the tank. This was on my NSW>VIC drive. Scary as hell.

My fuel consumption city driving is 600km/50L on V-Power

FD1 Auto, 718kms 44.2 litres

Herre is an article on carsguide.com.au : http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/too...est_for_my_car
talking about which type of RON to use.

I am currently using RON 91 as indicated in the fuel cap which is designed for my Honda Civic Auto FD1 MY09. I have tried using RON 95 and RON 98 as well, noticed not much different in term of fuel consumption or performance.

For fuel consumption in term of L/100km, i almost of the time drive in city (gold coast) only with the fuel consumption of 8.4L/100km to 8.8L/100km.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

FD1 Auto, 718kms 44.2 litres

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highway k's though right?

600kms+/50L is achievable if you drive mostly 90% highway

wondering if anything wrong with my FD1... i am getting 10-11 lt/ 100km...

Sounds normal

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Originally Posted by ks_b

wondering if anything wrong with my FD1... i am getting 10-11 lt/ 100km...

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Its normal if you're driving in lots of stop start traffic. If you always go out in peak hour traffic most of the time ur doing 0km/hr while your car is still consuming fuel...
I have changed different driving styles in order to find out the most eco drive...but it only works with a manual/tiptronic

1) Accelerate slowly - careful on the gas...the more slowly you step on the pedal reduces the chance of you injecting big globs of fuel into your engine which doesn't get burnt.
2) If you see a red light or people stopping ahead immediately gear down and let your car stop by engine braking (people tell me it wears out the gear box but i dont believe it does unless u crunch your gears). Doing this should tell the ECU to stop sending fuel to the engine to "choke" it so you can brake and wont accelerate while its slowing down. I strategically keep gearing down from 4th-2nd until i come to a stop.
3) Minimize the time you stay stationary and minimise braking...so if someone in front of you that you can see is driving like a moron or too slow overtake early.
4) wind up your windows if you dont have window visors as it affects fuel consumption...about 0.5L/100km at least..
5) where possible do not use heater/AC, saps at least 1L/100km

Unproven theory
6) Try to take the route that favours the left hand turns (slip lanes) because it means chances are you wont have to stop at traffic lights. If for example you are travelling to a destination there are 2 methods to get there (that are roughly equal distance) use the route that favours left hand turns to get there and to get back (you should be going opposite routes).

In my ED3 by driving as such i can achieve an average of around 7.8L/100km in a 1.5L carby which is good considering its a carby...In my mums V5 Volkswagen Bora i lowered the average consumption from about 11-13L/100km to around 9L/100km. The FD1 should be able to achieve 6.9L/100km normal driving conditions, i reckon with my driving style you should be able to get 6.5L/100. The trick is to minimise the amount of stop/starts you do and also ignition starts....both are usually where most fuel is consumed...

Then again it could be because your engine hasnt "warmed up" yet...and if you work "in da shiddy" theres not that much you can do =)

thats one thing i love about my hybrid. engine totally shuts off in stop start driving or when you come to a stop at the light. god bless IMA. lol

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wondering if anything wrong with my FD1... i am getting 10-11 lt/ 100km...

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its normal...im getting the same.

Good tips nairda, especially the one about suddenly accelerating.

and you guys getting 10-11 makes me feel better about my 8.4. lol.

what engine is that from anyway?

hey guys, havent been here in awhile due to exams...just remembered...

What fuel are you using? in my past experience i found that shell unleaded 95 normal consumes on average 1L/100km less than Caltex/shell...so i always pump with Shell cause it gives me more mileage...

Caltex average = 9-9.8L/100
Shell unleaded 95 = 8-9L/100

i found shell to be better too.

I am doing the research on fuel consumption on my car (Honda Civic FD1 2009) with different fuel type by tracking all my expenses on fuel:

Temporary:
RON 91: Full tank: 400 to 450 km (Gold Coast - Brisbane 2ways - All city drving in Gold Coast)
From 9- 10L/100 km

BP Ultimate: 450 - 500 (Gold Coast - Brisbane 2ways - City drving in Gold Coast)
From 8 to 9L/100km

At the momnet i assume that the BP ultimate give me better miles per tank. I easily to achive 6 to 7L/100km on M1 with cruise control on

i just put a full tank of v-power and am about to do a long distance drive. im keen to see how many k's i can get out of it.

its funny now that im older i dont care about going fast anymore at all. i get excited about fuel consumption. **** im boring. lol

Man same with me. It's all about the fuel meter now

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Originally Posted by threesix

i just put a full tank of v-power and am about to do a long distance drive. im keen to see how many k's i can get out of it.

its funny now that im older i dont care about going fast anymore at all. i get excited about fuel consumption. **** im boring. lol

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Im with you on that...when you drive a car with no power (ie. me) its all about the fuel gauge...i should be getting new car in a couple of weeks, i got my eye keen on this 24,000km white FD2

i WISH my car was white :(

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Originally Posted by threesix

i WISH my car was white :(

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I WISH I bought a white one to begin with :(

In my JDMFD2R i got 656km last week on shell V power, needed to find out when it would run out of fuel as it seemed to go on for ever with 1 bar left on fuel guage i now know when it runs out and goes no further!!!!!

Even with no bars left the car still has around 7litres.

I seem to get more mileage with E10 compared to V-Power 98

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Originally Posted by Brian FD2R

In my JDMFD2R i got 656km last week on shell V power, needed to find out when it would run out of fuel as it seemed to go on for ever with 1 bar left on fuel guage i now know when it runs out and goes no further!!!!!

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Talk about taking it to the extreme!...fuel wise that is...

How did you manage to measure it so accurately?...did you have a canister of fuel by your side before it cut out? :)

today i pump 98, seem ok...

95 ron seems to run best for me. better than 98.

havent tried E10. to scared to.

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Originally Posted by xenonkuraz

Even with no bars left the car still has around 7litres.

I seem to get more mileage with E10 compared to V-Power 98

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could be psychological. chemical physics doesnt work that way...or you may have had a bad batch of V-Power

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Originally Posted by Nairda

could be psychological. chemical physics doesnt work that way...or you may have had a bad batch of V-Power

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No actually it's just fact. My CD5 is always able to get more mileage with E10. Same driving style.

Vpower just gives the car more grunt with normal 9-10L/100km

Uhm, i personally always get BP ultimate since i tried 1 month ago from Ron 91

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Originally Posted by Nairda

1) Accelerate slowly - careful on the gas...the more slowly you step on the pedal reduces the chance of you injecting big globs of fuel into your engine which doesn't get burnt.
4) wind up your windows if you dont have window visors as it affects fuel consumption...about 0.5L/100km at least..
5) where possible do not use heater/AC, saps at least 1L/100km

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Your kidding arent you.... who told you all this stuff

If your engine is 'injecting big globs of fuel into your engine which doesn't get burnt' then you need to get it checked by Honda as your engine should be burning all the fuel regardless of throttle position.
Winding down your windows does nothing unless you plan on travelling at extreme speeds. I dont believe everything i hear but i dare say thet Myth Busters would be pretty correct with their findings.
The heater will not use any more fuel even if you have it turned to full hot. All the heater does is circulate water through the heater core and the air from the fan is directed through this core to heat the air.
A/C on the other hand is a different matter as it needs the A/C compressor to cool the air entering the interior

As for fuel economy....
I have a manual FD1 that i religiously run on Caltex E10 and i have no problems getting between 550 and 600klms per 42 litres around town including peak hour traffic

I dont know just how much extra power people are expecting to gain by running 98 octane but lets remember here guys its a naturally aspirated 1.8 litre engine. The gains to be had by using 98 octane may be at most 5kw's and you will never feel the difference with such a low power gain.

is caltex E10 any good , been using bp mostly ever since i got my eg.. then been turning to shell v-power now cus of fuel prices and its hard to find anywhere which gives out bp fuel discounts.

Maybe ill give it ago since i have lots of safeway fuel discounts. :D and see if its the same as the other 2

Well i have no problem with it and get good fuel economy from it. I never have problems with performance, actually the car drives very very well given its only a single cam 1.8 :D

fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu just got 9L/100km. Filled when it was cheap, didn't finish the tank. did 364 km over 15 days, and used 32.9L...

Badly broken in engine and short drives ftl

With E10 I got 360km with 32L. I think that's pretty good considering I was punching it to work every morning, vtec every corner lol...

Edit: lol curtis I just read your post. Pretty much the same...

lol can u actually feel vtec in the FD2?

i drove liek grandpa and got shitty fuel consumption... I find that if i drive reasonably aggressively, shifting at maybe3-3.5k, it makes no difference in the end in terms of fuel usage... :(

im getting 5.1/100ks atm FTW. one tank last me so long. and it looks shit hot parked next to a prius.

but god damm its gutless. the brakes are ****ED too. rear drums FML.

still happy with it.

time to get a bbk

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Originally Posted by curtis265

fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu just got 9L/100km. Filled when it was cheap, didn't finish the tank. did 364 km over 15 days, and used 32.9L...

Badly broken in engine and short drives ftl

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my prelude does 9L also and it has over 200k km...

bbk???

i think my engine's just badly broken in, and i only get short drives. mowells.

Bigbrake kit :D
it'll be similar weight or lighter than stock...

Hey all,

Bought the Vti brand new a month ago, now has 2000'ks on it. Has the 5 spd auto in it. Best we've got fuel wise so far is 580'ks on 42 litres of premium fuel. Very happy with that. 600'ks no problem as long as your not too far from a servo.....There were no bars left on the gauge and the light came on at about the 490 to 500 k mark. Thats just normal driving. Not even trying to save on fuel. Want to see what its like on E10 next.

I'd say it really depends on whether you'll have to stop and start a lot
that wastes a lot of fuel

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Originally Posted by curtis265

i drove liek grandpa and got shitty fuel consumption... I find that if i drive reasonably aggressively, shifting at maybe3-3.5k, it makes no difference in the end in terms of fuel usage... :(

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i agree, that's what i've experienced too

Wow it seems like u guys have amazing records. I recently just tested out over my last tank, 290 Kms with 2 bars left on the gauge. This is on Shell Unleaded95. So presuming it has used a total of 45 litres, that would mean 15L/100Kms. Dammit, must be city peak hour traffic everyday and probably revving too much :(
Just filled up a full tank of Shell Vpower today, so far 10km done and - 2 bars already, not feeling good lol.
So since there are 2 posts on petrol i shall just post my question here.

Over the past year of owning my car i have always been filling up with Shell Unleaded 95 and nothing else. Read this thread and am now running V-power so as to clear the unwanted stuff in the engine.
So my Qns are :
1) Would my engine have suffered in any case due to not having premium petrol clean it over the past year?
2) Since the overall conclusion was that BP seems to have better L/KM, if my car is left with say, 2 bars of Shell Petrol, would mixing it with BP petrol cause any negative effects?

Hopefully you guys could help me out here, cheers :)

To be honest, i think this is all about psychological effects in human between using BP Ultimate and other RON 98. I have noticed that i would have done at least 550km/tank with BP but for other RON 98 i done max is 510km/tank, refuel when one bar left. The best so far, i have achieve is 640km/tank most highway driving.

Civic FD1 Auto Spark Earth installed.

holy crap you are a madman, Try taking it for a service or something :O

maybe your engine is badly broken in, and you cruise on the highways in 2nd gear...

but 15L/100 is more than my mate's 4.0L V6 Prado... and a 180sx etc...

maybe more than a V8

Hey all,

Well have run a couple of e10 tank fulls now and we're still making it to 600k's. There is no noticable difference in performance either. This is a combination of stop/start traffic and freeway driving and no deliberate economy driving. Very happy so far. Car has about 5000k's on the clock.

Cheers.

I have a stock EK1 and I get 10L/100km when I drive like a hoon it in city traffic (which is most of the time :P), and about 7L/100km when I drive sensibly. My record was 5L/100kms (highway driving). I had to go 400kms on 20L lol... I just made it...

On the topic of fuel quality, I have always been a believer of buying premium. I have always been told your engine will last longer if you do and I have seen evidence of people getting more km's out of higher octane fuel (they were bigger cars though, not sure if smaller cars would be different). When I can afford it, I will always try to put premium in my car.

And on the topic of e10, DON'T USE IT! lol. They know that it reduces the life of your engine, especially in older cars that weren't designed for fuel with ethanol in it. I mean, its up to you if you think the saving is worth it, or if your car is new and can handle it (still debatable), but personally I never let it near my 1997 car.

I use e10 90% of the time. I get consistent high mileage and no engine troubles to speak of

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Originally Posted by xenonkuraz

I use e10 90% of the time. I get consistent high mileage and no engine troubles to speak of

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Its more of a long term issue. Is it an old car or a new one?

Well, inside of the petrol flap it says Ethonal (E10) suitable. So if Honda recommend it I'll use it. They have to warrant the repairs if it all goes bang....:cool:

Yeh, new cars have been designed to handle it so your all good :D

hrmm yeah my fd2 says e10 suitable as well. but on my cd5 i've been using e10 since it came out. the engine has been running strong and no ill symptoms yet :)

i was just thinking, if premium fuel is more saturated with fuel and what not, wouldnt it burn faster? therefore giving u less mileage in the short term at least?

nah ur ECU will know and inject less fuel in

hmm.. cos i got more mileage out of 91 fuel than 98 =.=

I get more mileage out of E10 than 98

thats fukd ==.

You're probably just inconsistent - try and average over 5000k's and then compare again - one fill often isn't enough to determine how good a fuel is, yet that's what everyone does.

also try reseting your ECU from time to time.

Used vpower for first 25000km. E10 for the next 20000. E10 better for milesge

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Originally Posted by black8thgen

i was just thinking, if premium fuel is more saturated with fuel and what not, wouldnt it burn faster? therefore giving u less mileage in the short term at least?

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No, because your engine manages the input of fuel based on the throttle. The fuel only burns once its in the cylinders so how fast it burns wouldn't have any effect on usage. And if its more combustible, it should need less fuel per revolution to achieve the same speed, meaning by your logic it would use less (not sure it does though).

Hey,

I have heard of this problem before as a friend of family bought a auto version vti and could only get about 370-400km on one tank. This improved progressively after he had done about 7000+ km and he manages to get around 550km now which is really good considering his is a auto as well. I believe stick to the ultimate aswell. I have heard people say that the caltex vortex is really good aswell especially for hondas.

Hope this helps.

Capt Armen

i started this thread around 2 years ago.. when I picked up the civic, since then ive only been using v-power or bp ultimate, however im still averaging the same milage around 10l/100km.. which i think is very very poor.. i dont thrash my car at all and i dont really do any short distance driving or city driving.. =S

then it has to be your driving style

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Originally Posted by curtis265

You're probably just inconsistent - try and average over 5000k's and then compare again - one fill often isn't enough to determine how good a fuel is, yet that's what everyone does.

also try reseting your ECU from time to time.

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Reset the ECU? How?
My FD2 runs like 190km with half tank of the BP ultimate fuel,
So I would expect the total mileage to be less than 400km for 40L, that's like 9.5Km/L....and which is 10.5L/100km, is it normal for a FD2 (sport)?
Is there any product that can be added to the engine for a better fuel consumption (I heard a fd saying there is sth to be poured into the engine....)?
My FD2 done 63k now....auto......I live in northbridge and work in the city, and sometimes (2/week) bk to Curtin, and sometimes go places like Carousel.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by curtis265

You're probably just inconsistent - try and average over 5000k's and then compare again - one fill often isn't enough to determine how good a fuel is, yet that's what everyone does.

also try reseting your ECU from time to time.

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Reset the ECU? How?
My FD2 runs like 190km with half tank of the BP ultimate fuel,
So I would expect the total mileage to be less than 400km for 40L, that's like 9.5Km/L....and which is 10.5L/100km, is it normal for a FD2 (sport)?
Is there any product that can be added to the engine for a better fuel consumption (I heard a fd saying there is sth to be poured into the engine....)?
My FD2 done 63k now....auto......I live in northbridge and work in the city, and sometimes (2/week) bk to Curtin, and sometimes go places like Carousel.
Thanks

just disconnect ur battery n leave it for a few mins and then reconnect it to reset ur ecu.

when i first got my civic (auto) it would only give me about 400-450kms before the fuel light came on. 3 years later and on premium 98, fuel light now comes on at about 550kms with about 9ltrs left in the tank.

Aero is right. Dc the negative terminal of the battery for a few

obtw guys, if it makes you feel any better, my gifriends car got 6.5 L/100km, driving in almost start stop traffic daily...

R18a fail

so, if my FD2 (sport) runs only about 350km with 40L 98 fuel, is it normal? or sth goes wrong?
i feel like that's quite too much......... (@.@)'

yes that is too much. drive calmly for a few tanks and tell us what your average is

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Originally Posted by curtis265

yes that is too much. drive calmly for a few tanks and tell us what your average is

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ok, i will try my 2nd tank.....and will have the data available later :)
but, i was driving gently on my 1st tank, the rpm is up to 3k MAX for the whole trip, but i was driving in the city.....anyway, Curtis, may i ask wht how far can ur car go normal?

i ended up usually getting around 7-8L/100km from the FD1 - they seemed to alternate according to my spreadsheet. this was probably due to me not filling it properly and stopping at the first click.

Check www.redbook.com.au to see what you should be achieving.

umm mine's around 9.2L/100KM city drive, everyday from and to work
and I have been using BP ultimate ever since I bought my car
Did one trip to canberra and now the average is 8.5L
still much higher than all of you guys do...

I rarely go over 3k rpm..

curtis does it mean that we should keep it pumping after the first click??

I'm still getting a consistent 6.63 ltrs/100klm.

Filled up this morning 40.79 litres and drove 615K's. Use normal 91RON fuel and drive to and from work everyday. Manual VTi limited edition and mix of sedate and fast off the lights. 75% sedate...

It seems I got a freak! :)

^^ what mods (if any) have you done to the car?

I have done nothing to the car. Stock standard 6 months old with 8500klms

I generally fill up as many clicks as i can before fuel starts regurgitating itself out of the tank.

Going to get a good run this time, just lost 1 dot below half and i'm on 360km for this tank :D

are u going on long straight runs or soething willo?

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Originally Posted by curtis265

I generally fill up as many clicks as i can before fuel starts regurgitating itself out of the tank.

Going to get a good run this time, just lost 1 dot below half and i'm on 360km for this tank :D

are u going on long straight runs or soething willo?

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No mate :)

Just normal driving to and from work. From the burbs to CBD. So there is an element of stop and start there.

Fill up to second click, usually 40.xx litres.

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