Any idea when this new model will hit Oz's dealerships?
I'm keen on having a look at the new Euro as I'm in the market for a new car..... my choices are 09 Jazz, 09 Mazda 3, 09 Accords.
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Any idea when this new model will hit Oz's dealerships?
I'm keen on having a look at the new Euro as I'm in the market for a new car..... my choices are 09 Jazz, 09 Mazda 3, 09 Accords.
There is NO way i'd change my oil and filter only every 20K.The longest i'd leave it between oil and filter changes is 10K or 6 mths.
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Wow...looks bad Aaronng. You make some great points their.
My mercedes van done 180,000 klms serviced at every 22,500klms (Work horse and diesel) van drives the same as new, no smoke. New vans are 32,000 klms now, diesel too.
Look im not a fan of longer oil changes either. I assumed it was material and oil which made this possible.
.....heard bmw had burning of oil issues in the past aswell.
+1, I'd also like to know if anyone has any further info on release dates and pricing?? I've heard different things from different places.... some say later 08, some say early 09, and no word on how the pricing will be on the new model.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACE888
Just have a talk with saleman of honda dealer yesterday, he told me the new eruo will release around this June. but its pricelist still unknown at this stage.
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Originally Posted by d0p3y
The new Euro's pricetag would most likely be lineball with the new Mazda 6( looks ugly imo), and others like the Ford Mondeo price range... I'm looking forward to the new Accord Euro wagon and the diesel engine.
I too am keen on the diesel (however, in sedan form) but I wonder whether we will get that or the wagon....
The new Euro looks like an old mans car IMO. I'm 58 but clealry I'm not old enough cos when I look at my MY06 ERuro Lux I cant see anything about the new model that I like better. Its just got a whole lot more generic and is now a competitor for the Camry etc and I think that's very disappointing. Too many conflicting angles and lines, too much rear overhang, fussy interior ergonomics etc etc
One of the great things about the first Euro and the subsequent upgrades was that the lines of the car were quite unique, actually classy. It didn't really look like any other car. You didn't mistake it for something else. The new one could be a Toyota or a Mazda or a ............................ :thumbdwn:
I was told last Wednesday this week when I picked up my car that the price for the new euro (coming in june/july) will be alot higher than the current euro, in the 50s. Not sure if that was on road tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyljoy
This is plausible. The car is possibly now to be portrayed as being of higher quality than the Accord. It comes with quite sophisticated technology overseas. And the car is substantially bigger as well. It might be priced to fill the gap between the Accord and the Legend as this price gap is enormous.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper8548
However, if you're a car manufacturer who's spent the last five year developing a market for a model complete with a good following, why would you alienate a ready-made market by jacking-up the price?
If they do that then they'll put it out of my perceived value-for-money reach. I might have to consider buying an equally expensive car of another brand instead.
I think you'll find that the new shape,when it's been on sale for a year or so and you see a few on the road it'll grow on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Star
Well it is quite possible. The new Acura TSX that has just been released in US carried $2K-3K price increase over its predecessor. I think I still like the current model better by the outside but new Euro is definitely nicer inside :pQuote:
Originally Posted by viper8548
I think you'll find that the AUDM will be a slightly stripped down version of the USDM model to compete with Mazda 6,Mondeo,Liberty and will be priced around the same as it's competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euro76
still not enough for me to keep my euro...
golf gti all the way! :D
wah2 hot wagon :D
the chrome around the window looks exactly the same as the old one, the handle as well
hopefully the price is still the same or probably gettin cheaper ;)
i dont really make my decision on new cars with just pics.
ive learnt over the years when u see the actual car in the flesh some opinions will change alot.
better or for worse that up to you.
so i usually dont comment on any of hondas new models till ive seen em in the flesh coz sometimes they look better than in the pics.
Or hold positive thought consistent with quantum mechanics where the observer probably influences the outcome of infinite possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by splashalot2000
I think the new Euro will look just fine in the metal/plastic/rubber/leather. I think the 3" of extra width will give it more presence on the road. I think that the much larger tyres will make it look more substantial. I think they will have cured the woeful directional stability of the current model. And the cabin will have been designed for Americans from the outset and so I should fit better.
Thanks! A good review overall. But, I think that we need to think more positive thoughts about the following extract from the article so that the car can be cured by the time it is released in Oz:
"Lastly, a 201PS 2.4i auto Touring. Like the 2.0i, this steered more like the old Accord, feeling disconcertingly vague at high speed on long motorway sleepers"
I think we get ripped-off on car prices. What about the poor Brits? A $53K Euro!!!
I've never heard the Euro engine described as noisy and not smooth!
1414kg, for the base 2.0 litre model. I guess we're looking at about 1500kg for the bas 2.4 litre manual when it comes to Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestjohn.co.uk
That's really pushing it for a 4 cylinder car with 200hp
The brit's opinion on cars are a bit skewed. I've seen a review from a reputable magazine bagging the 2.4L and claiming the 2.0L petrol was slightly better while the OLD 2.2L diesel was a MUCH better drive and car than both petrol versiosn. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Yeah, and Americans think big, ugly, crass grilles look nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I Think I might have said in an earlier post that the 2.4L is about 1,580kg. The heaviest would probably be the Diesel wagon.
Has anyone seen the new Euro in Melbourne? We got those photos of the cars on the back of a truck but since then no reported sightings. Has anyone peeked into one parked somewhere to see what equipment they have?
They are not launched yet though, so they would have to go into a dealer holding yard to look. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
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Originally Posted by SPQR
those 2 euros are behind closed doors at honda australia now.
no dealers have any.
Here is a photo taken on temple of vtec - a photo of both the new TSX (Accord Euro) and the old TSX (Accord Euro) .
Seems like the new car is wider than the old car. But imo, both cars look great.
Looking at them side by side, I still love our current shape.
that probably makes sense... honda is bringing in the high-spec versions of the civic hatch. price range is rumoured to be around the mid 30s. and with the Thai Accord priced at the 30-mid 40s, that leaves some room for the euro to be priced higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper8548
a higher priced Euro (a Acura TSX), will sort-of paves the way for the Acura brand in Aus, if honda decides to go down that path.
a higher priced euro also means the current euro will retain its resale value better.
I want the manual diesel wagon. As long as its under 1500kgs and has 350NM plus Ill buy it. Otherwise im keeping my current ride as it still only got 45 000km after 3 years driving.
The TSX with body kits in a sedan looks HAWT tho.
I get the feeling the new Euro will be slower than the current model...
Possibly due to the increase in weight , size etc(maybe sapping performance a bit)... it's probably the i-DTEC diesel engine that might be faster than the normal K24A one( unless they managed to get some of the low end torque happening). I wonder if the new one still has the current's surefooted handling?
New one is supposed to have even better handling because of the wider track and altered suspension design.Quote:
Originally Posted by IVTECS4
It most probably would... but then again, the old Euro's official performance numbers were underestimated. So the new one might be slower than the old Euro in real life, but in the numbers game, could be the same or slightly quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
In the end, the Euro is a medium sized family car with a reasonable engine. It wasn't meant to be a 0-100km/h performance car. So maintaining or losing out a bit on performance won't affect the majority of the potential Euro buyers. It just affects us enthusiasts.
hey guys,
Looking at new mid-sized car and right now its gonna be a Mazda 6. However I have heard that the new Euro might be released soon.
After reading an article on autotrader two things caught my attention.
So is this correct, will the cars be available for sale end of June?Quote:
Originally Posted by AUTOTRADER
So we would be looking at ~$37k+ entry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Autotrader
http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor...257447000AAD0F
I think this is an accurate assessment of where the old Euro and the new Euro are pitched at the market. We enthusiasts have hoped that it would be a little more than what it was ever intended to be. This might manifest itself in a better spread of torque but still:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
"All I want is a little more than I'll ever get"
Some news on Accord Euro Diesel at Carsguide.
http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/mo...re_for_diesel/
There's a mention of the release of the new Accord Euro in June 08 at the end of the article.
And also here.
http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/re...o_first_drive/
i heard from honda dealer, the new euro will be ready on the first week of july after 'end of financial year sale' ended (june 30th)..hopefully the price is still $33990 ;)
There's a launch review at Carpoint:
http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2934946.aspx
They say it's likely the price will go up to around $35k for the entry level. Overall a positive review too.
From the review: "A full version for the 18-inch-shod models' wouldn't fit in the boot, and besides, Honda Australia says customers aren't complaining... Just Aussie motoring journos!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Exar Kun
This is what I dislike about Honda Australia. They like to make up our opinions on our behalf. I would complain if my lux didn't come with a full sized spare. Also, the 17" comes with 225/50R17 tyres. If the 18" isn't going to fit, i wonder what tyres it comes with. 235/40R18? If it is 225/45R18, I'd be spewing because the overall dimensions are the same as 225/50R17.
Personally while it looks like a nice car, it doesn't do enough for me to want to upgrade from the old body. I think Honda Australia will do themselves an injustice if they don't bring in the diesel engine version. It's the reason I'd upgrade
it's a pity the wagon version of the Euro and that diesel engine isn't gonna come yet. The wagon and the diesel engine would be sweet ( 5AT as well - yep found the next car to replace the 1995 Nissan Maxima 30G lol).
Mazda and Subaru have a wagon version of the (new)6 and the Liberty so why is Honda Australia hesitating about bringing in the wagon version of the accord euro - ADR issues? They said in a review on www.goauto.com.au that 2010 would be accessing the possibilities of bringing it over - not good enough!
I agree. There were two reasons I didn't look at getting Mazda 6 (could have got a better deal on one too) and the full size spare issue was one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I cant justify upgrading. Im only doing 12 000kms a year on my euro. My 2005 only got 42 000kms on it and its in mint condition.
Sure the new body looks nicer, but its the same engine and transmission. Its a nice car but its not as sport IMO.
I would consider a diesel wagon though. Its would be just as quick, if not quicker, but better on fuel and great for a bit of towing. That being said im not paying a $5000 premium for it either as it takes to long to recover the extra cost.
i heard the diesel model is onlt manual, and will have 112kw...but over 320nm of torque, Honda also said, they will develope a 5AT for the diesel but it will come out after the 6MT.
ill be disappointed in those figures. They are pimping this new honda DTEC gen diesel spec, but Mazda is already knocking out 350nm in a 2lt diesel mazda 3 and BMW have a 130kw 400nm sport diesel already in europe.
That being said honda do normally aim for the best emmisisons over outright power.
i think the current model is soo perfect... love the exterior looks of it...
That's absolutely right. Can't compare the current exterior styling.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB7_OWNER
What size engines are the mazda and BMW and are they forced?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
BMW 120D - 125kW @ 4000rpm, 340nm @ 1750rpm - Turbo Intercooled. 2.0LQuote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
BMW 530D - 160kW @ 4000rpm, 480Nm @ 1750rpm-2750rpm -Turbo Intercooled 3.0L :cool:
Mazda 6 (2007) - 105kW @ 3500rpm, 360Nm @ 2000rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L
VW Jetta - 103kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2500rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L
Ford Mondeo - 96kW @ 4000rpm, 320Nm @ 1750rpm-2240rpm - Turbo Intercooled 2.0L
it doesnt looks good.
maybe inside change alot and looks nice.
but the outside is too "big"~~~~~
also........the muffler just like the old version Mazda 6!?
small and nothing have sport feeling.
Anyone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe its the 2.0L that gets the "small" exhaust. I think the 2.4L has something like this; http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachm...5&d=1210584964Quote:
Originally Posted by bentusi123
not a big fan of the shape of the lights
One would expect the same overall diameter as you say. In which case it should fit but it might protrude more if the rim is wider.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Thanks for that.... I think the next logical comparison would be to see how frugal honda's diesel is compared to the others. Personally.. I think the 112kw is enough... would like to see another 30-40Nm more torque, but if the consumption is better than the competition even with the extra cc compared to all those in that list (minus the 3L beemer), I think it could end up being a good choice.... time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilan
I dont think slightly better than 3 year old ford and vw diesels is good enough. Not when you have an extra 200cc to play with.
But in hondas defence it because it exceeds the Euro VI standards for emissions which is fantastic, using the ammonia recovery system honda developed. Very high tech.
regardless of all this it comes down to how the diesel drives...
I dunno if i can come off my 7600 rpm limit and drop to a 4000rpm one!
With all that torque from 2000 to the 4000 RPM redline, I won't be complaining :p That diesel would be nice to drive (either with the 6 speed Manual or if they are able to get the 5AT to handle the torque).
I like revs too but go drive a modern diesel if you haven't.... last diesel thing I drove was the Volvo XC90... the bloody thing just pulls from the lights so hard it truely shocked me. Granted.... the thing drives like a bloody truck (steering and handling through Brisbane city streets was not real pleasant at all) but the engine matched to the auto they offer is top notch :thumbsup:
I think the days of "manual a must" with a diesel might be over with these modern autos. They just keep the thing right in the meat of the torque really well.
Might be getting older.. but instantaneous torque is alot more appealing these days then having to work the ring out of an engine to get the thing moving.
Modern autos keep the turbo in boost and so have an advantage over manuals. The new Ford XR6T is, according to the current issue of Motor, quicker than the manual version and the Porsche turbo auto is apparently quicker than the manual:Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...ID=11039&vf=10
As for modern turbo diesels, it's about keeping in the boost zone.
I just saw a new euro on the way home from work on Dandenong Rd, Caulfield! Red euro - plated EURO-25. Looks better than the photos and cannot be far away for sale if it is being tested on the road. The guy must have thought I was a nutter as I was speeding up and slowing down to get a good look.
With a plate like that, it is probably being used for a TV ad. Apparently, dealers are getting together for a preview in three weeks. Release date at end of June.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Anyone noticed how the new Euro doesn't appear in the 'what's coming' sections of Wheels or Motor or that neither has done a full test of the new Accord? It's a reflection of how far below their radar Honda cars are for these mags. Well. I want authoritative opinion. I need to have my future purchase validated by the experts. I need to feel the warmth of the aura of success. I want my bank manager to pay out my mortgage......
any start button?
hahah I am hoping for one. The new 6 doesn't have one, even though (AFAIK) the base model in Japan doesQuote:
Originally Posted by marcus
I think Road and Track had a quick test of the TSX, and they got 0-98km/h in 7.5 seconds and 1/4 mile in 15.5 seconds. Quite spiffy considering the loss of 4hp and weight gained.
lol our demo plates for euro are EURO 1
yes the release is the end of june.
i will be inviting members on here to a private release and information night to view all the cars, learn about them with reps from honda aus attending as well as prizes and other fun things.
will be on june 19th.
watch this space.
Ooh, that sounds very interesting. May be a good time for a potential Euro owner to get a sneak preview, hehe.
Does anybody know when prices are going to be revealed? IIRC some sites were speculating that it would be on the 1st
I just had a look at new Euro on the Honda Italy website. We don't get anywhere near the features that others can choose from overseas. Honda Australia should make them available as options. People would be willing to pay but we don't even get that choice.
SPQR - Honda maybe is waiting for the Acura Brand to intro the fully featured/optioned models?
Well then get to it! We need to increase Honda's take-home pay from 60,000 to 100,000 units so we can get the Acura brand. Hang-on a minute, would that mean the Euro would be renamed the TSX?Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
no, maybe this:
Euro Standard - Honda Accord Euro
Euro Lux - Acura TSX
Euro Lux Nav - Acura TL :-D
The TL is a different chassis; based on the American Honda Accord. It is not from the same family as the TSX/Euro. I don't think that sort of marketing will work because Acura has to have snob value to sell. No Acura buyer would want a cheaper Honda version of the same car in the same market, no matter what the differences in equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
Doubt that is the reason. Probably Honda Australia is not able to get certain features like Lane Keeping Assist to pass under ADR, or other features like memory seats and night vision camera to come in while maintaining the current price points.Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
Kudos to them for bringing in the base model with 17" rims and the Lux with 18" though.
It's better that the standard version now gets 17 inch otherwise 16 inch would look far too puny for a grown up Euro :D