I agree. The CU2 has much better setup than CL9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
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I agree. The CU2 has much better setup than CL9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
It would be interesting to see someone put RE040 in 205/55 R16 om their base Euro to see if they get tramlining like the 17"Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Here are the CU2 trip computer pics.
Pretty much the same as CL9.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...Euro/blank.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...seat-belts.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../trip-time.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../fuel-left.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/fuel-ave.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...0Euro/fuel.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../door-open.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../ave-speed.jpg
Got a pic of that sensor next to the airbox yet? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...seat-belts.jpg
they finally got this now.....
^^ does that tell you if passengers in the back aren't wearing their seatbelts?
If so, that's awesome!
mazda 3 already does that
Thx very much for those trip computer pics Type R+ve. Much appreciated.
Does it also come with tripA and tripB distances?
Yep. I haven't pulled it out though. Is that what you want (big boy, hehehe)?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Yes. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by centurionau
That trip time is a good feature. I never seen that before. I had '04 CL9.
Yes. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psy
How about the shift indicator light?
Honda claims if it's followed, it saves 5% of petrol.
http://world.honda.com/news/2008/408...ord-for-Europe
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Manual models feature a ‘Shift Indicator Light’ or SIL which appears in the center of the rev counter. ‘UP’ or ‘DOWN’ are displayed to advise the driver of the optimum point (in terms of best fuel economy) at which to change gear; Honda tests have demonstrated fuel savings of as much as 5 per cent simply by following these commands.
I haven't found it.... must read manual.Quote:
Originally Posted by twing
I hope there is something, but don't think so.
A better pic of the head / 1st cat:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../first-cat.jpg
Reading this manual, there is a speeding alarm you can set.
Did the CL9 have this?
No.Good feature.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
No shift light....
Manual has 'recommended shift points' for fuel economy under normal acceleration.
Shift up:
1st - 2nd: 27km/h
2nd - 3rd: 46km/h
3rd - 4th: 59km/h
4th - 5th: 69km/h
5th - 6th: 79km/h
No shift down sorry.
From the manual:
Maximum allowable speeds in each gear (otherwise enter 'red' zone):
1st: 56 km/h
2nd: 97 km/h
3rd: 135 km/h
4th: 179 km/h
5th: 221 km/h
6th: They dont have a 6th either!
Looks almost the same as the CL9. I thought the ppl who test drove the CU2 said that the gear ratios were shorter? :confused::confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Not liking the chances.... That looks like an AFM. Is there an intake air temperature sensor on the intake arm like the CL9?Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
When you drive it they appear to be shorter.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
A few are. 2nd - 3rd - 4th - and 5th I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I will try and find ratio comparison for ya.
Intake arm? Anyway, I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
2nd on the CL9 also goes to 97km/h at redline. Hmm, wonder if they updated the manual. Also, eventhough the ratios are shorter, they are slightly offset by the larger tyre rolling diameter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
driving the Cu2 is so much better than driving the CL9. this is standard model in manual to standard in manual.
ive had both as demos and the Cu2 is better in every way possible from drive to features. its been ages since ive enjoyed driving a new honda so much.
Rolling diameter difference isn't that much, but yes, it would make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hi Type RQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
The CL9 also shows that you can set a "speed alert" in the manual and I tried to set it up one day but alas as is problem with having a "Manual for the world" it isnt included in the good old Oz version of the car.
(privately still fuming about the tack on bluetooth for the new Euro.. integrated to me means more than auto muting the stereo when the phone rings... looks like I transfer my Blue Ant (with manual left hand operated stereo mute) to the new Euro when I get it lol)
[QUOTE=Type R Positive;1788501]No shift light....
Looks like another 'expensive' module that was ommitted for Oz.... Leds, circuits and relays are just so expensive these days lol
The gear ratios might be shorter (I haven't checked the details). But factoring in the substantially larger diameter tyres would affect the overall gearing as aaronng said.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
225/45R17 CL9 Luxury
Diameter = 634.23 mm
Circumference = 1992.3 mm
Revs per km = 517
225/50R17 CU2 Standard
Diameter = 656.59 mm
Circumference = 2062.7 mm
Revs per km = 500
235/45R18 CU2 Luxury
Diameter = 668.52 mm
Circumference = 2100.0 mm
Revs per km = 491
There is quite an effect from the tyres. There is a big difference between the Standard and Luxury CU2 as well.
Hi TYpe R I am hoping to get my car in the next month or two.. all sounds great cant wait. Just looking at the audio part of your review so does the display show you the song titles on CD"s that you are playing? Also hve you tried the audio input jack ??
And re the shift 'prompt' feature in the manual car version. The little spot lower bottom left in the Tacho is that a light?? or just blanked off?? just wondered if this actually comes on when shift rev is optimum or something??
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Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I can't complain. I don't use the bluetooth in my Prado, it gives me the shits. You can't make a call when moving, only recieve one. Pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I might try setting the speed alert. Would be interesting to see if we actually got it.
I would have thought features would have been the same as everywhere else. I like TSX spec, but man, that would be expensive here.
7cm extra tread substantial? I suppose it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
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Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Kewl would be nice but thought Honda might be crowing about another feature if it was there.
Yeah all those bells and whistles would be nice, I suppose I just wish that we had the option if we WANTED to pay for them to have them as a factory option.. ah well dream on, all about car sales numbers potential market and bean counting lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I will still buy the car in spite of a few niggles re features I was hoping for. I like the toys ok!! I will just continue to look disinterested when my mate in his lexus answers his phone on bluetooth, calling number display, muted audio.. gee who wants THAT... hehe and he payed 20 grand more for his car...
Nah, we miss out on the 'shift light'. That little spot is some alarm thingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I haven't seen song titles yet, as I have been using my ipod with the aux jack. Great feature combined with the power outlet! :thumbsup:
The CD has to be compatible for song titles, the 2 CD's I have in the car are not.
I actually haven't driven my car that much. I have just come off nightshift at work yesterday morning.
So do you control the iPod track selection etc on the iPod and feed the audio into the speakers..by selecting Aux on the car audio?Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Hmm I would be happy to run it in for you while you are at work lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Have fun and sorry for all the questions atm..
Yeah, im happy with mine mate. It's WAY better than my old CL9. I got the base (just my run around car), and I still can't believe that this car is so cheap! I got a VX Prado TD for long distance luxury. Im also buying another house, so I didn't want to spend too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I would love a Lexus, like IS250X, but for $65k? Come on!
Yes. The Aux is just headphone jack. Not USB like TSX lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I'm actually suprised at the comments Im getting at work though. People have seen it in my driveway, and have hit me up about it. They all like the look of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
Keep the Q's coming mate. I know it's hard to tell what a car is like in a 5 min test drive.... let alone the potential of this CU2.
Yeah the Lexus has more bells and whistles and the look at me thing.. I have a Lexus, but I would NOT pay $20 to $25 grand just for those few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I will be getting the Auto Lux version again, with the traffic in Brisbane these days, I will trade off the extra buzz of the manual for sanity when driving round town traffic all day. And the paddle shift should be good just a few sec slower off the mark.. well goes with my grey hair :-))
To be totally honest, I really liked the Auto. The paddle shifters are really well done. The shift was precise and generally felt great. I think I would have got auto if it was the same price, but it's $2k extra. If I lived in the city, I would have gone the auto. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
Auto's have grown on me for sure. My VX Prado is auto (had no choice) and it is the sweetest thing in the world. I would have got a manual if they made one for VX and Grande, then, but definately not now.
Gear ratios: CU2 (CL9)
1st: 3.27 (3.27)
2nd: 2.04 (1.88)
3rd: 1.43 (1.36)
4th: 1.07 (1.03)
5th: 0.87 (0.83)
6th: 0.69 (0.66)
Rev: 3.58 (3.58)
Final: 4.76 (4.76)
Nah that isn't correct. The CL9 definately had a long 4.4 final drive. Only the Acura TSX had 4.76.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
If your data of 4.76 on the CU2 is correct -that explains how it partly overcomes the weight increase as the acceleration is similar to the CL9. Is your data for both vehicles from the Acura TSX?
Maybe they only changed the final drive ratio on the CU2 and left the gears the same??Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Quite possibly yes - a 4.7 final drive would noticeably help acceleration and go much of the way to offset the weight increase with the CU2.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
These are from TSX off the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I'll try and find Euro. I would have thought they would be the same???
Ratios: CL9/CU2Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
1st: 3.533/3.27
2nd: 1.880/2.04
3rd: 1.354/1.43
4th: 1.027/1.07
5th: 0.825/0.87
6th: 0.659/0.69
Rev: 3.583/3.58
Final: 4.388/4.76
CU2 is significantly shorter than CL9. Manual's top speed in 2nd gear onwards has errors.
For CU2? I think it's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
What Honda manual states and what I got were pretty much the same, except 2nd (85km/h@~7krpm vs 97km/h@???) which I will retest for ya.
Honda manual did not state top speed. It stated maximum recommended speed before entering red zone.
I just retested it, 2nd gear = 95-100km/h@7k rpm.
It can go faster in 2nd.....
top-speed per gear has absolutely no indication of how quick a car is.. infact in my opinion, it's the opposite. a higher top-speed per gear would indicate taller ratios.. this would actually sacrifice acceleration for a higher speed.
The ratios on the new 6-speed are definately CLOSER matched than CL9. wether they've shortend and closed the ratios or simply shortened the final drive, the effect is the same - much snappier !!
I took a Std. Manual home the other night and it was very very impressive.
the mid-range torque is so much stronger than the CL9 and it actually throws you back in the seat when u floor-it in even 3rd and 4th gears !!
there is a definate change in the audible tone at 5,000RPM (or just after) when VTEC engages and while there's less of a 'kick' than the CL9, this is probably due to the gains in mid-range masking the changeover point... like the B16A has a strong VTEC 'kick' but the B18C-R isnt quite as violent at changeover due to the extra torque before the switch point.
But overall this new model is a substantial evolution from the previous model and when you consider the price has dropped $1,000 across the lineup and we have more car with more features - it's definately a good move.
As Aaronng said (i think) that this is the first time in a while he'd felt excited behind the wheel of a new model - i'd have to agree. the FN2 was great but you kind of expect that from that kind of vehicle.. the ACCORD was a huge improvement over the older model also but is also of the standard you'd expect - where this new Euro is even beter than I expected and a significant improvement over the CL9 - which in it's own right is still an exceptionally good car.
Any 0-100kms/hr figures?
Does it beat the CL9 MT6 of 7.8 seconds?
I've read that the auto only does 9.5 - how crap is that? No wonder honda doesn't publish performance figures. LOL
The times are only what's available off the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroBro
Where did you read auto only 9.5?
Figures show that the CU2 manual is quicker.
But That's if you can trust the internet! ;)
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=754035Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
..it also has 2.2 diesel @ 9.6 seconds.
The CL9 is also 9.5 - see here http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1967...y/article.html
That's why I was wondering why you only got up to 85km/h on 2nd gear? Should be at faster speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
That top one is a good read. It has the manual sedan at 7.8 0-100.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroBro
As I said before, every review had a different time.
That diesel is auto only too.
It was hard to remember 5 gears worth of speeds. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Euro76
OK, based on the gear ratios given by aaronng and the tyres sizes, I have calculated the following speeds:
Manual CU2 Standard with 225/50R17 tyres.
Gear - km/h per 1000rpm - theoretical speed at 7000rpm
1st - 8.0 - 55.7
2nd - 12.7 - 89.2
3rd - 18.2 - 127.3
4th - 24.3 - 170.1
5th - 29.9 - 209.2
6th - 37.7 - 263.8 (you wish)
Manual CU2 Luxury with 235/45R18 tyres.
Gear - km/h per 1000rpm - theoretical speed at 7000rpm
1st - 8.1 - 56.7
2nd - 13.0 - 90.8
3rd - 18.5 - 129.6
4th - 24.7 - 173.2
5th - 30.4 - 213.0
6th - 38.4 - 268.5 (yeah right)
Manual CL9 Standard with 205/55R16 tyres.
Gear - km/h per 1000rpm - theoretical speed at 7000rpm
1st - 7.7* - 53.8*
2nd - 14.4 - 101.0
3rd - 20.0 - 140.3
4th - 26.4 - 185.0
5th - 32.9 - 230.2
6th - 41.3 - 288.2 (Ha!)
Manual CL9 Luxury with 225/45R17 tyres.
Gear - km/h per 1000rpm - theoretical speed at 7000rpm
1st - 7.7* - 54.0*
2nd - 14.5 - 101.4
3rd - 20.1 - 140.8
4th - 26.5 - 185.7
5th - 33.0 - 231.1
6th - 41.3 - 289.4 (Ha!)
* caused by rounding to first decimal place.
Anyone got the auto gear ratios and final drive ratio?
I think I previously posted that, after having driven the new CU2, I came away thinking that the CL9 is still good and that Honda could quite easily have released both as concurrent models and they would have sold well side by side; each in their own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
CL9 is dated. And the sales figures reflect that. The new model couldn't have come at a better time, considering fuel prices and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Will also have a look for the auto ratio's too.
What I said was that if both cars had been released as new models at the same time, they would probably have sold equally as well. Obviously they are not and so what you say is true of the actual situation but not, in my opinion, of my supposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I was in fact agreeing with the last sentence of VT3C's post that I had quoted.
I am happy to do the calculations for the auto gearing as well as soon as someone can post both the CU2 and CL9 gear ratios and final drive ratios.
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CL9 does have this actually. It has two speed alarms. Can also make trip A reset each time you refuel. And a couple of other things too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Sweet. My CL9 didn't have any of this stuff ('04 base).Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
I have not set the speed alarm yet. They are a great feature but can be annoying if they constantly go off. I suppose the onboard gps units also can be set for this purpose too
Hey Type R Positive, could you please tell me whether turning the A/C has any affect on ride quality and power?
That's where I love cruise control. Set and forget.
Speed alarm would be great in the city, such as Melbourne and Sydney.
(Where speed camera's are saving sooo many lives!)
Well, the ride quality improves (becauise I'm cooler! LOL!) :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
Seriously, can't really notice it. I've had the aircon on stuff all though, being winter down the bottom of Aust and all...
Will have a play around tomorrow on my 600km round trip to Albany and back.
Cruise control is good but still not perfect. It's very easy for your speed to increase a few kms/hr when going downhill. The police only have a 2 or 3 kilometre tolerance when it comes to exceeding the speed limit here in Victoria
Speed cameras and speed limits are saving so many live in the NT that our road death toll has doubled in one year since they introduced urban speed cameras and speed limits on our once open road.
The emperor marched in the procession under the beautiful canopy, and all who saw him in the street and out of the windows exclaimed: “Indeed, the emperor’s new suit is incomparable! What a long train he has! How well it fits him!” Nobody wished to let others know he saw nothing, for then he would have been unfit for his office or too stupid. Never emperor’s clothes were more admired.
“But he has nothing on at all,” said a little child at last. “Good heavens! listen to the voice of an innocent child,” said the father, and one whispered to the other what the child had said. “But he has nothing on at all,” cried at last the whole people. That made a deep impression upon the emperor, for it seemed to him that they were right; but he thought to himself, “Now I must bear up to the end.” And the chamberlains walked with still greater dignity, as if they carried the train which did not exist.
Hans Christian Andersen
Cool, I think when I turn my A/C on it seems to make the car hold back a bit and also seems to be causing a small vibration within the cabin and through the pedals. Its hard to put into words but you can feel a difference.
Damn! Radar's aren't even that accurate LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
I'm sure they would let you off, or not even flash you....
The benefits espoused by governments of the efficacy of speed cameras reminds me of the sketch from Sesame Street:
Ernie is standing in the basement kitchen with a banana in his ear. Bert sees him and says "Why have you got a banana in your ear" and Ernie says "Because it keeps the elephants away". Bert says "There are no elephants here" to which Ernie says "See....It works!"
Speed cameras save lives? If the road toll goes down they do. If it goes up then us motorists are being extra naughty and so we need to be punished more. They work as a brilliant instrument of taxation.
Now, about carbon trading......
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Originally Posted by unity
Sorry Unity but I cant find that setting on my car Multi Function menus?? 2006 Auto Lux Sat Nav ?
Because AUDM CL9 doesn't have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
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Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
Sorry, I got it wrong. According to the manual there is one. There is however a sub menu that you can access and there are a few settings that you can change, but definitely no speed alarm. Have to rely on GPS for the speed alarm.
Yep.us aussies are short changed again on the features that come on the US and European models.:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
So true. Same problem with buying electrical equipment. I pay way more for my Onkyo receiver but get fewer features. This is the problem because of our relative isolation and small population.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
But their cars are the same price as IS250's, BMW's..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
The TSX is a similar price to the Euro, while our IS250 and BMWs are much more expensive here than in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
That is because they get their car way cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
An R35 GTR in USA is $69k. They want to flog it off in Aust for what, $150k?
An Evo X MR in USA costs $38k. They want to flog it off in Aust for what, $70k?
I'm sure I could play this game with all their cars...
There is no way I'd pay twice the price of a Euro, just to get TSX spec.
Otherwise I would get a BMW, IS250, etc... ;)
does the cu2 have a rear strut? how thick is it?