Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Well, it is only a hot hatch. Not really a daily driven track car like what the old Type Rs were. And since the chassis is based on the Civic in the UK which is sold as the equivalent to our 1.8L VTi, they can't do much to make it look more aggressive other than by adding bodykits and larger wheels. :)

Just watched Best Motoring's test of the FD2 CTR and eventhough it has 165kW and weighs 1270kg (7.69 kg/kW), which is worse than the JDM DC5R (162kW, 1180kg, 7.28 kg/kW) the CTR still beat the DC5R in 0-300m by 0.22 seconds. So eventhough the FN2 is heavy (1345kg) with similar power to the AUDM DC5R, it might still turn out to be a surprising hot hatch.

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props to your wealth of knowledge man. :thumbsup:

but i prefer the raw feel of a car even if its used for daily driving. the new CTR is not for everyone i suppose.

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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

not yet Aaron. soon i hope. but personally i do not like the exterior. For an R doesnt look as aggressive as it should be.

But from the specs. i wouldnt expect it to be any more exciting than a dc5r.

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I have to agree with you on the looks, my opinion is that it looks really girly from outside but the interior is another thing all together, test drive wise honda homebush said that it will be available in a few weeks as it only got released yesterday, ill be looking forward to testing it out

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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

but i prefer the raw feel of a car even if its used for daily driving. the new CTR is not for everyone i suppose.

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It's funny in the JDM CTR video, they were testing comfort. The passengers were bouncing up and down in the car when they were driving on straight flat road. The suspension is stiff. Even at the end of the review, they said that the CTR is a fast car and a real Type R, but might be difficult to sell in today's market because it is very harsh (ride quality-wise).

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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JDM FD2 has front Macpherson struts and rear double wishbone.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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there isnt a JDM FN2, at this point anyway. JDM sedan is the FD2.

so in addition to what aaronng said.
yes the FN2 has a torsion bar rear as does the AUDM one. along with macpherson strut front.

is the motor in the civic type r a new motor design?

its still a k series, been revised a bit tho from earlier k series.

1kw more and alittle less torque but earlier delivery , apparently.

yah VTEC xover is at about 5400rpm compared to 5800 for earlier verisions.

not too sure how different cam profiles are or intake/exhuats

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Originally Posted by outl@w

is the motor in the civic type r a new motor design?

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From the info I've seen, the UK CTR (FN2) has revised cams and ECU tuning, so torque is improved throughout the RPM range, but at the peak amount is still similar to the DC5R. Of course, the headers and exhaust are different because of the different chassis. But the base engine (valve size, porting, runner design) should be very similar to the EP3's engine. What makes the FN2 quicker than the EP3 is the lightweight flywheel and the shorter final drive, so you don't have to wait to hit VTEC to get good acceleration.

The JDM CTR (FD2) on the other hand gets more improvements. In addition to the lightweight flywheel and shorter final drive of 5.0x, the intake runner design is different, has NSX-style head porting, higher compression and it has a 64mm electronic throttle body. The headers are beautiful too! Have a look at it:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4...headersop2.jpg

well well well, finally had a chance to drive the top gear king of hot hatches CTR!

the looks are striking! I like it particularly in red. interior is heaps wide with the application of magic seats...this is very practical in a "type R" car. interior is a lot nicer for the fussy ppl. climate control now standard. the price is quite good for this well equipped type R...back then my car didn't have air con standard when it was selling for the same price $39,990 rrp.

into the cockpit...the first thing u notice when u fire it up is that i can't even tell it's on or not...it's quiet. however, rev it a bit and it's engine note gets u realli fired up. it has the rumble of DC2 and the hi pitch of S2000.

low end torque is extremely strong with 3 guys on board. whoever looked at the spec sheet and said it needs to be revved to get going clearly expected too much from an NA 2.0...low and mid range acceleration is comparable to the turbo GTI - this is mostly attributed to it's close gearing and smarter i-VTEC set up catering for across the board. The car does not seem heavy although it's ard 1300kg.

while being a tad less frantic then my B18C at the 7000rpm to 8200rpm (FN 2 cut out) range, it felt WAY faster at everywhere else below top revs. this makes the car much more drivable around town n gave the car good aceleration out of corners. there isn't any flat spot around 5500rpm like B18C R.

The lack of LSD does let the inner wheel spin much during corner exits, although the VSC was turned on...LSD is the critical thing that it lacks, being a hi power front driver. if it wasn't for this reason, i would prolly think of buying it now.

steering feel and turn in is top notch. the let down is the rear suspension. The rear end is less adjustable and progressive than DC2R / DC5R models, possibly due to the switch to torsion beam / coil spring / damper set up instead of the previous double wishbone.

overall, it is a very competent car - fun to drive (not to be confused with very fast), practical, looks good, and also quite comfy.

It would be a wonderful car for me to drive to work in / do the shopping. if only it has an LSD, it would be near perfect.