We just may get the JDM CTR in Australia.

Well, why don't you try go around the street and ask people would they purchase a 38k Japanese car but need 98ron petrol ? Over 1000 people, I guess there would be more people would accept a car with lower fuel requirement over high fuel reqirment for the same performance. (subject to the same car, eg: carA rated as 98ron min Vs carA rated as 95ron min)

In another way, if the car can be driven with a lower spec fuel and more people would accept it, why would they put it at higher spec? What benefit can the car dealer gain for setting a higher rate petrol? And I would believe that some Japanese cars lowered the fuel requirement even without doing any changes to the car, probably just reprogramed the fuel/air ratio so the car doesn't knock.

And Golf GTI is a euro car, euro vs jap? I think more people would say Euro cars are more prestige than Jap cars, thus, using a higher rate petrol is more acceptable for euro built cars.

10% just a rough estimation, ok, my bad, please allow me to correct it, last night I refueled @ shell, 149.95 for 98 vpower, 139.95 for 95, 135.95 for 91, ok,big deal, I'll correct it to 6.6688896298766255418472824274758% extra running cost per year, probably won't be that much but if you add everything in your daily life expenses together, and try to save everything with 6.6688896298766255418472824274758%, the total is quiet a lot. Eg: spending of 30k a year for a family, 6.6688896298766255418472824274758% saving would be $2000.67 why don't you want an extra $2000.67 bonus at the end of the year? Sorry for the number but since some people here are very concerned about the exact %.

We're talking about performance car here, not white goods on wheels.

there is always trade offs in life. if you want one thing, be prepared to give up something. ie. want performance, pay more. want to reduce cost, suffer with ordinary performance.

everyone know performance has higher running cost. use more fuel, parts/service are more expensive. if they're that concern with running cost, they should stick to Toyotas which have set service fee up to i think 60000km.

your thoughts is exactly why we only get the water down version of a so called Type R (aka DC5R), and why it's unlikely we'll ever get the proper ones. but the excuse Honda gives is just BS to me.

A VW that is made in South Africa/Mexico and cost similar $$ to buy is more prestige than a Honda that is made in Japan???? LOL VW is very good at marketing then.

a Type R ffs is a not for the mass. they are never intended to sell in a great volume. that's the job for Jazz and bread and butter Civic.

just like organic food, they cost more for sure but there are still market for them.

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And Golf GTI is a euro car, euro vs jap? I think more people would say Euro cars are more prestige than Jap cars, thus, using a higher rate petrol is more acceptable for euro built cars.

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That is not a midset that I agree with. :)
Japanese cars have just as high a compression as Euro cars. Prestige doesn't determine whether someone would be willing to put in 98 over 95. When it comes to 95 and 98, the general public doesn't give a hoot between the two and would usually go for 98 anyway if they are rich enough to afford such a fun/performance/prestige car. I've seen middle aged ladies put in 98 into a car which requires only 95. Heck, my gf who thinks cars are boring and dull and are only as a means of transport still puts in 98 into her car spec'd for 91!

hehe, maybe I'm talking on the wrong forum. I would say people here are biased with japanese cars. But for me, if I can get a same deal for GTI and TypeR, I would purchase GTI. I pucrhsed the Civic, due to 91ron and good fuel consumption.

Anyway, my conclusion came from a friend of mine working at subaru dealer, he received many complaints about their new Tribeca. The problem is the car stated to use 95ron, but it has knocking issue, engine doesn't run very smoothly, however, using 98ron is perfect, smooth as butter. So that's what they suggested to the customer. What are the feedbacks? 99% people complaint that they purchased the car for 95ron, why do they need to pay extra for 98ron for the car to run smoothly, if they knew the car need 98ron, they would purchase a euro car.

Hence, why I said before.

By the way, I'm not saying water down or what, I'm trying to say why car company in Australia, try to reduce their fuel requirement here. Of couse, fuel quality is the biggest issue, but consumer behaviour is the second.

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hehe, maybe I'm talking on the wrong forum. I would say people here are biased with japanese cars. But for me, if I can get a same deal for GTI and TypeR, I would purchase GTI. I pucrhsed the Civic, due to 91ron and good fuel consumption.

Anyway, my conclusion came from a friend of mine working at subaru dealer, he received many complaints about their new Tribeca. The problem is the car stated to use 95ron, but it has knocking issue, engine doesn't run very smoothly, however, using 98ron is perfect, smooth as butter. So that's what they suggested to the customer. What are the feedbacks? 99% people complaint that they purchased the car for 95ron, why do they need to pay extra for 98ron for the car to run smoothly, if they knew the car need 98ron, they would purchase a euro car.

Hence, why I said before.

By the way, I'm not saying water down or what, I'm trying to say why car company in Australia, try to reduce their fuel requirement here. Of couse, fuel quality is the biggest issue, but consumer behaviour is the second.

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1. GTi is not an Euro car, only the VW badge is made in German (maybe) the rest is built in South Africa and Mexico (which is worse than Japan - or even Thailand?)
2. When ppl bought new car and found problem with them, they will try to make any possible excuse to throw to the dealer... buying the car becoz its run on 95 RON? What a BS!!! It becoz they found the car not running smoothly on 95 RON then this "excuses" comes up. This is happens in live, from PC Games perspective, Unreal Tournament 3 has "minimum requirement" (note: 95 RON is not recomended requirement by Subaru, but "minimum requirement") that you need at least Pentium 4 3 GHz CPU to play them, but I have Core 2 Quad Q6600 and it still laggy!!! Should I go to them and complaint?
3. I agree with consumer behaviour is one issue (beside fuel quality). but ppl who bought Type Rs are not a mere daily customer. They buy Type R not becoz they want to save some money on fuel consumption, not becoz it has high safety rating, or becoz it has Aircon.

I think we are not talking about type r, but why fuel type reqirement is lower in Australia in general.

I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

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I think we are not talking about type r, but why fuel type reqirement is lower in Australia in general.

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See the Topic title...

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I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

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I didnt said it has to be 98RON "minimum requirement" coz there wont be anything to recomend after that... "minimum requirement" is sort of like 'its enough to run the car, but not the best option'. That is why the Subaru put 95 RON as minimum requirement, but maybe the "recomended" is 98RON.

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VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

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Again, I (and as the topic title said) talked about the CTR (and why Type Rs are 'downgraded' here in Australia), not the normal Civics.

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Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

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And for this one I still prefer the Type R (note: Type R are made in Japan).

peace out...:zip:

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Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

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Brand/country/euro/mexico car does not determine whether it runs 91, 95 or 98 RON. It comes from engine design, compression and the efficiency it runs at. You can get mexico specials that need 98 RON, and you will find high class Euro cars needing only 91 RON (Mercs). It has nothing to do with which country the car comes from.

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Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

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If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FD2 Civic.

Ultimately, they are very similar. The GTI gets a bit more torque, while the Type R is faster with more top end (as you'd expect from a Type R). The FD2 is lighter too.

I'd really like them to bring the FD2 Type R here.

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If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FN2 Civic.

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did you mean FD2R Civic? :confused:

biased I guess, hehe :P it would be a totally opposite answer from a GTI forum.

Anyway, ignore me :P My point of view is from the car manufacture's feedback, and since petrol is so expensive, people in Australia is taking it as one of their consideration when they purchasing a car, of course not as a first priority, but they do concern, like a $30k car but requires 98ron?

At lease myself would be turned away and purchase another car that has similar performance, but only need 91 or 95 to achieve this. That's all I'm trying to say.

And I would buy a FD2 too :) FN2 looks too sexy and girly to me, just my personal view hehe, don't flame me :P

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If you mean the FD2 Civic Type R for $38K, vs. the GTI Golf, I'd get the FN2 Civic.

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do you mean FD2?

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I know it sounds a bit bullshit, but since the customer brought it up, you think it is totatlly bs? There are some facts, and what else you could sugget. Personally, I would not buy my Civic if it require 98ron as min standard. Would you? (not talking aobut type r but a 20k civic)

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personally i would not buy a 20k civic if it runs on 98ron purely becos it's not a special car which warrants the better fuel. on the other hand, i'm prepare to live with the extra cost for a Type R tho.

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VW is still a german brand, like civic is jap brand. Although civics are made in Thailand, ok, lets say, would you buy a $20k Civic made in thailand, or a $20k Babulandagulan Thai car brand but also made in Thailand and the factory is next door to the civic factory?

You see, it is still about the brand reputation.

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yes you are right but i still won't buy a Thai built or China built Honda. however i'm happy to buy a UK built one.

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Again, ask yourself, if you can buy brand new GTI at 38k and Type r at 38k, which one would you buy?

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i'd buy GTI rather than FN2R becos GTI imo has superior performance and better steering feel and driving position (ie. lower). in fact i placed a deposit for a GTI back in Dec07 when i was shopping for a new car. until i came across with a good condition EP3. however if you compare GTI with FD2, i'll buy a FD2 in a heart beat.