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Don't be childish now, Mr. Moderator.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
How in god's green earth you've managed to extrapolate a single piston brembo from "more than one model of brembo" I won't understand.
Something like this would have been fine:
http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/%7Ekuroki/kit.jpg
And they don't cost $16k either.
I didn't say that they cost $16k. But that setup in the pic will cost about $5k at least and Honda still has to retool to produce the brackets, which will cost a lot since they don't sell as many Type Rs as they do regular VTi models. Add that to the cost of a new master cylinder. So in the end, would you buy a CTR with 148kW, torsion beam suspension, Brembos and no LSD for $48000 OTR? Or will you instead complain about the price and how the DC5R was being sold for $49999 on the road with A/C, with LSD, rear double wishbone suspension and a track-orientated chassis?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
very very well said! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
i also think a 'few' and i mean just a few people like the 'brembo's coz of the bling factor...also how many owners of older type R's and type S's have put brembos on their cars???
People always want what they can't have. If the UK CTR came with Brembos for the same $39,990 ($42000 OTR), then everyone would be complaining about the lack of LSD then.
i know and most of the time its people who have no intention whatso ever on buying a new car! Some prob have never even bought a new car...
tell me does the XR5, VXR, Golf Gti have brembos and LSD???
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Originally Posted by UNLS1
aiya tai low...............let aarong jai do the arguing...........your making honda dealers look bad.
fark that... sell me a festiva with a type r badge..
its a hot hatch... good car.. takes me from a to b...
I'd hit one.. its the best..
lets wait until they do the track comparo with this civic R and its precessors.....
the Type r's are meant to be race cars from the box...
type r's having a racing heritage... lets see if this is a dud then..
with everythign aside.. i am very skeptical it will be faster or greater than any R's in the past...
With all said and done we just have to wait until someone could do a proper comparo
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Originally Posted by UNLS1
Its about bettering a previous model..
Are the latest XR5, VXR and golf GTi better than its precessor with more features and punch? yes
or could it be u makin the car look bad and having no idea about the current car market???Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
I cant believe this car is getting such a flogging over such little things, are u in the market for a new hot hatch MK14EVA?? have u drivin the CTR? have u driven the golf and the XR5???
I think we are lucky to have this car, but its not good enough so maybe we should all tell honda that dont want it at all coz its not up to jap spec one, its got no lsd, no brembos and its not a true type R!
There are heaps of die hard fans that arnt happy, i also think alot of them are canning the car and havnt even driven it, or have no intention of even buying it or a new car for that matter!
What about all the new people this car has bought to the honda product?? What about the customers that we have had that are young and some middle age that have taken delivery of their new CTR and love it to bits???? not one of them have come to us saying blah it needs LSD and brembos, they have come to us saying Omg its such a thrill to drive and im so happy i bought it....
what would they know anyways....
:)
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Originally Posted by UNLS1
No, but they have more power, more torque, more capacity, a turbo and similar weight. I think they're justified in their price.
Incidently, you left out the Megane 225 with brembos, turbo, less weight, more power and more torque (for about 40k drive away), and the mps 3, with the LSD, also available for similar money.
Thanks for your take on consumer psychology.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
We're in the situation here where we can see a civic that is manufactured in the pacific, has the LSD, has the brembos, has 20-odd extra kw, is lighter, faster and also carrying the same name and same label. I think we've every right to feel shafted with the UK built ctr hatch.
If Honda sees that the enthusiast community is happy to have the wool pulled over their eyes with the UK built CTR, they'll keep supplying the bastardised little rice rocket, and you can expect more of the same contempt from them in future models to be released.
From a commercial perspective, I'd be interested to see the difference in manufacturing and delivery costs between the UK built CTR and JDM CTR.