Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

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10-07-2007, 06:45 PM
bennjamin

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Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck

What I don't understand is that the JDM FD2 is $13000 cheaper, that's a huge profit margin Honda AU could be making even for selling less cars.

Probably mostly due to the fact its made in Japan (no need to ship overseas) and that is the general "price" of cars over there compared to here ? Im sure if such a car was released in AU , without honda making such a big profit the price would be similar ( to the FN2) or more.
10-07-2007, 06:45 PM
mpd076-chuck

Re: Brembos... DC2R has single piston OEM brakes and IIRC it out stopped every car in Motor's BYFB in 2000.

Re: LSD... VSA better for road-biased, LSD most likely better for track-biased (helps stop inside wheel spinning on corner exit).
10-07-2007, 06:49 PM
e240

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

a formula 1 driver tested the CTR on the track, he felt that it was fun and felt like a Type R if you kept it above 5000rpm, so you cant really complain until you start pushing it that hard, and if its good enough for an F1 driver, why should we complain?
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Hello...Marketing, these guys get paid millions to say these things and then they're probably given 2 or 3 for personal use.

You have to probably take out a loan to buy yours.

And you raised a good point, I rather fork out 40K to get an Evo than the new CTR (which other than looking like a UFO, has nothing special about it)
10-07-2007, 06:57 PM
mpd076-chuck

Marketing alert... just like the Honda video with FN2 versus EP3, where the FN2 appears to be whipping the EP3 easily through corners. On the track you generally pull away very slowly from similar cars, it's not usually that simple.

If the FN2 does actually do that then I should eat my words, however The Stig's laptimes weren't that fast, so I just don't believe that video. (This is not FN2 bashing, it's marketing bashing! For those with FN2's enjoy them!)
10-07-2007, 07:00 PM
BlitZ

I remember the good old days when the R was sold.. :

thinner glass for lighter weight
options radio
no sun roof
semi seam welded, strengthened chasis
LSD for the track
independent suspension
close ratio 5 speed
no deadening

It was even advertised as a race car in a box. Known for its racing heritage.

Now its got a racing start button eheheh..

There is nothing wrong with the car... just that the definition of type R is as defined by WIKI :

The design of Type R ("R" for "Racing") models was originally focused on race conditions, with an emphasis on minimizing weight, and maximizing performance potential (e.g. engine tuning, suspension set-up, etc). Thus, Type R models were first conceived for racetracks.

One day my children are gonna say, "Daddy, the truck driver is here with the type r 1 tonner to deliver the fridge".

I cant state enough there is not 1 single thing wrong wiht the car. Its just that the type r marque will never be remembered in AUS as a race car in a box, designed for speed, handling and rawness. This is a shame.
Nevertheless this is a great car and should sell well.

Its really a shame that an AUS type r will never be on par with a JDM R. makes me kinda sad ;( (Back to buying a dc2r).
10-07-2007, 07:44 PM
ginganggooly

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Originally Posted by e240

Actually, if they brought the Japanese Civic Type R in, I would put a deposit for it straight away.

ditto.
10-07-2007, 07:56 PM
locote

HEHEH so would i after seen it in action in a jap dvd...
As far as the UK spec one. Felt slower than a DC2r DC5r.
JDM CTR made the JDM DC5R look like a very slow heap in this DVD,,
It crossed the line virtualy neck to neck with a NSX TypeS,
leaving the S2000 and 350z miles back...
10-07-2007, 08:03 PM
locote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW82ozR71M
10-07-2007, 08:07 PM
aaronng

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Originally Posted by slipangle

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think the reason why there seems to be so much emotion about this new CTR is that a lot of ppl have invested a lot of their goodwill in to Type R which has been borne about by an appreciation for cars such as the DC2R (and maybe to a lesser extent, the AU DC5R (but that's a whole can of worms there)). When Honda no longer delivers on something we've invested in in the past (both emotionally and financially), then we feel betrayed that our beliefs can be so easily dismissed for the sake of what Honda believes will bolster their bottom line by raking in more of the masses.

So what is it about Type R which manages to evoke such emotion and a faithful following that makes this new CTR so grating for people like me?. Well, when I sit back and think about the amount of effort that Honda had put in to the DC2R, and I mean the minute detail things, I can see that a bunch of Honda people really devoted a LOT of thought and effort in to feel, performance, and dynamic factors that are most likely irrelevant to 90% of drivers. I like that a lot. It's the same reason why Rolex makes diver's watches that can go to depths that most people wouldn't even dream to venture. Conversely, the new CTR instead places a LOT of thought and effort into compromising a package to suit the 90% of drivers who couldn't give two tosses as to why the car is not fitted with an LSD.

The CTR that is in the same family line as the DC2R that you love is the FD2. Not this FN2. This FN2 is a hot hatch. It is not a track weapon like the JDM-designed Type Rs. Why can't all of you understand this?

Complain that Honda Australia is not bringing in the FD2, that's fine. But there is no point complaining that the FN2 doesn't have Brembos or an LSD, because even in the original UK version, it is not an option!
10-07-2007, 08:16 PM
6ary

Hi guys, I've just recently arrived from singapore and have tested and bought the new CTR, supposed to be delievered in 2 weeks. Compared to my base dc5 (although not much of a comparison) feels alot more planted on the corners. You can quote me on this, i would much rather have LSD, brembos, recaros and double wishbones than a climate controled glovebox and cruise control. I have driven a jdm dc5r and a b18 eg9, they are way more fun to drive. The reason i settled for the CTR is that i just can't stand 2nd hand cars and old interiors. Looks like the brembos and lsd will have to come out of my own pocket. Thanks Honda. Look out for a red CTR in melbourne soon!
10-07-2007, 08:27 PM
aaronng

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Originally Posted by 6ary

Hi guys, I've just recently arrived from singapore and have tested and bought the new CTR, supposed to be delievered in 2 weeks. Compared to my base dc5 (although not much of a comparison) feels alot more planted on the corners. You can quote me on this, i would much rather have LSD, brembos, recaros and double wishbones than a climate controled glovebox and cruise control. I have driven a jdm dc5r and a b18 eg9, they are way more fun to drive. The reason i settled for the CTR is that i just can't stand 2nd hand cars and old interiors. Looks like the brembos and lsd will have to come out of my own pocket. Thanks Honda. Look out for a red CTR in melbourne soon!

Come out to the Melb meets and show off your CTR when you get it!
10-07-2007, 08:29 PM
Moya

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Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck

Re: Brembos... DC2R has single piston OEM brakes and IIRC it out stopped every car in Motor's BYFB in 2000.

Re: LSD... VSA better for road-biased, LSD most likely better for track-biased (helps stop inside wheel spinning on corner exit).

oh ok, so Type R means Type Road. Thanks, I kept thinking Honda kept the same principals as the DC2R. My Bad.

Why are people standing up for this car soo badly? It's a nice car, but just admit it's not a Type R and we'll all be happy. Type R is crazy, stupid, fun, loud off the shelf track car. This thing isn't.

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