btw, which non VTEC NA car have you owned that is more powerful with just 1600cc out of curiosity?? :)
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btw, which non VTEC NA car have you owned that is more powerful with just 1600cc out of curiosity?? :)
Umm - who said anything about 1600ccs? :P
I'm thinking bent 8 in a Torana ;)
Capacity is where it's at :P
hehehe...
of course the bigger the capacity, the more horsepower you will produce....
but with only 1600cc, i think your SiR would leave any NA car in its class behind!! :)
Can i go back to what VTEC is about?
the term/line that ur in VTEC "mode" is often misleading. VTEC is the system that makes the engine engage the higher lift cam profile. So in actual fact, its the cams making the power, the VTEC is the system that switches the cams.
Thus a car without VTEC under the VTEC cut in point of 5,500rpms, is going to be the same as a VTEC equipped car IF, and its a big if, they share the same cams, rodstroke ratio, etc etc. So in effect, yes it is the same below VTEC switch in point, but its the after VTEC point that the cams are much more aggressive.
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but its the after VTEC point that the cams are much more aggressive.
I hear people talk about this all the time but i don't feel extra power when VTEC hits.
really simple to explain Vic, u know how NA big v8s change to big "lumpy" cams? that make that really loud "bop bop" sound at idle? Well thats because they have chosen to change the cams that are in there to a higher lift, longer duration cam, which is good for high rpm work, but the rough idle is caused by too much overlap (because of these long duration cams being too aggressive at low rpm). The VTEC point, simply changes the low duration cams (for low rpm use) to the higher lift longer duration cams for high rpm, which is why VTEC cars still idle without stutter and other common problems of biug atmo V8's...Capish?
I understand that, i just don't get why people say they feel a shove in VTEC cause there ain't none. Even with modified VTEC's that i've been in there isn't a noticeable kick in the back. The transition in power is usually smooth but the sound is loud as ****. With modified VTEC's though, things like top end etc are improved. ;)
Anyway, don't want to sidetrack too much here.
What do you mean, Vic?
There is no feeling of a "extra little push" when VTEC begins to engage?
Vic thats cos u have the VtecH engine, and we all have VTEC engines :)
nah just kidding, u dont feel the shove, cos u never driven a h motor, b motors, dont really pull like the H series, man i miss H22 power :(
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What do you mean, Vic?
There is no feeling of a "extra little push" when VTEC begins to engage?
Why do so many people say you can feel VTEC? You can't!
Last time i checked, mine was a VTEC. I better check some dodgy fob called Andy hasn't swapped a VTECH into my car. ;)
When I drove Mishale's H22A, we could feel a push, not as hard as a turbo charegd car, but a push nevertheless. Also I noticed it wasn't as loud as in the Integra's.
Yes indeed WE could feel a push...of ur hand on urself as Mishale wasnt lookn :PQuote:
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BTW relative to all cars - the larger the displacement , the more torque ( pull or push....PULL in a FWD lol ) - so the 2.2 out of the lude will PULL more than say a 1.6 vti or 1.8 Vtir...in a stock small capacity car - IF u muffle ur ears at the vtec engagement point - there is little difference in torque between off and on.
I guess the only way you "feel" a Vtec PULL is once past the vtec meet the engine will peak at its optimum HP and thus feel like its "maximum pull"...often NOISE is associated with a cars speed - the louder it is - the faster it seems to be going at.
And , oh yeah- Honda's arent known for torque - thats teh reason u gotta rev its ring to get any numbers out of it !