Handling ability between a FTO and DC2R

think of it like this..... ITR is no doubt the best handling fwd car around, but its a small to medium car....... way bigger than the petite and nimble 306.
urban & mountainous roads, i reckon ITR would beat the 306..... not by alot, just a lil bit. but say put them both in the cbd and make them race from point A to point B........ i reckon 306 would out class the ITR in that comparison.
i've never driven the 306 but can sure appreciate its petiteness and nimbleness around the urban jungle. that said, lets just say the're both great cars

My 2 cents...

I get to drive both a DC2R (mine) and 206 GTi(my works). I would say the 206 GTi has better steering `feel', better turn-in and better composure in corners. It really is chuckable and fun to drive. The DC2R has MUCH better brakes, better acceleration, better gearbox, better driving position, and good traction out of corners. I have a driven a 306 xsi? and it felt pretty similar to the 206. The pug's just have terrible driving positions, especially if you are tall.

As for FTO, its a good car, but I reckon the DC2R wins stock for stock in braking, straightline and cornering grip.

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)

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Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck

My 2 cents...

I get to drive both a DC2R (mine) and 206 GTi(my works). I would say the 206 GTi has better steering `feel', better turn-in and better composure in corners. It really is chuckable and fun to drive. The DC2R has MUCH better brakes, better acceleration, better gearbox, better driving position, and good traction out of corners. I have a driven a 306 xsi? and it felt pretty similar to the 206. The pug's just have terrible driving positions, especially if you are tall.

As for FTO, its a good car, but I reckon the DC2R wins stock for stock in braking, straightline and cornering grip.

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the thing that blew me away about the pugs was the compromise they struck between ride and composure. they felt about as tied down as a type-r, but the ride quality felt alot better...

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Originally Posted by Bludger

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)

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So your tellin me a CTR is a shoppin trolley? Thats the most "UNPLEASUREABLE" thing i have heard or read.

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Originally Posted by Bludger

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)

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how about you take a look under a "shopping trolly" eg and a "sports car" dc2 and tell me if you see some similarities there...

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Originally Posted by ginganggooly

i don't know what 306's you've been driving me old china, but the gti6, s16 and xsi's that i drove leave any honda for dead in terms of steering feel and on road body composure. in fact, hondas have shithouse steering feel, they're famous for it. if you drove both back to back (as i did in the case of a 306 gti6) you'd see what i mean. i don't know what they'd be like on the track, but they certainly feel more fun to chuck around on the street, despite the primative rear suspension setup.

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wot does "me old china mean"? LOL...

well, i'm not an expert, but i know how good the ol 306's were, especially the gti6 cos that's the exact one i was looking for a while back (too expensive then). alot of honda's do have a crappy steering feel, i agree but i can't say the same for an itr... completely different imo. then again, i've never seen mags/etc compare an itr to a 306 since they're different in class and body shape, so we'll never know ;)

anyways, i'm goin off topic AGAIN! my bad...

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Originally Posted by Bludger

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)

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dude your gonna get eaten alive saying things like this... :rolleyes:

look at it this way, all cars were made for a certain "market" and many were factory modified for a totally different market. generally it would be too expensive to build a sports car from the bottom up when you have a perfectly good chasis to work with - think civic and ctr.

that said, u can also call the bmw 3 series a shopping trolley made to drive old rich guys around... and so is the M3. :D

Sorry, last time i'm going O/T, i promise!

I know its been a good discussion but can we please get back onto the topic of Type R vs Fto Handling. Thank You

-Tien

BTW Vinh Mod yourself please :p

Actually I've read a review of HK Car and driver comparing the Celica 99', FTO, ITR DC2 and 206 Gti in 1999.

They said the ITR DC2 is the best handling one out of all, while the 206 and FTO is more suitable for daily use (they set up is said to be less extreme too). In their opinion, the Type R has better balance and cornering grip than the 206 Gti and could carry more speed into and out of corners, while the 206 is more all all-rounded in terms of handling/ride. Fto is less nimble than the 206 Gti but it has much more power.

on topic - i don't know how FTO drives
off topic - sorry, just my personal thoughts on the civic, eat me if you want. I'm sweet. The civic and DC2 are similar cos they are both Honda........ still a shopping trolley to me :P but you know DC2 owns all

FTO-Drove a friends bout a year ago, doesnt go anywhere near as good as it looks like it should go..... (i'd compare it with a ford cougar)

305GTI6 - The first manual car i ever drove (3 years ago). It was a while ago now but from what i remeber that it had awesome midrange compared to dc2r and also had a really heavy clutch. But didnt make that good of an impression coz i obviously bought a dc2r....

DC2R - Great sports car, easy to drive, looks farking awesome. Great feeling gearbox.... But still not the be all and end all like some people seem to think...