Shock Horror - BAR-Honda Accused of Cheating

man this doesnt sound good at all...:thumbdwn:

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Ecclestone claims BAR Honda have no excuse
'You have to assume they'll be found guilty'
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BAR's Nick Fry and his documents:
Enough to win this case?

Formula One Management President Bernie Ecclestone insisted that a fine is not enough if BAR Honda are found guilty of deliberately breaking the rules. The ruling will be announced on Thursday but Ecclestone for one would have little sympathy should the guilty verdict come in.

"If you can do that why doesn't a team at the beginning of the season give over a cheque and say if I'm caught cash the cheque," said Ecclestone. "There are a million things you could do. I suppose if they are not excluded from the championship you could say the constructor cannot score points in the championship and maybe the driver is excluded from the points he has now and all the other ones count."

Ecclestone offered little hope for a not guilty verdict for BAR, who continue to protest their innocence.

"With the information that's available, you have to assume they'll be found guilty," he claimed. "There's always a reason for these things - it's never a mistake. If they said they had a problem and they needed a particular part to overcome a particular problem, they would have gone to the FIA."

E.A.
Source AFP

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what a fkn wanker :rolleyes:

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Alonso accuses BAR and Ferrari of cheating
Championship leader pulling no punches
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Alonso has his own views ahead of his home
event at Circuit de Catalunya
BAR-Honda and Ferrari both cheat by respectively fielding an under- weight car and conducting more testing than is allowed, Renault's Fernando Alonso claimed today.

"There are two teams that cheat: the first is BAR Honda, that was proved in San Marino, and the second is Ferrari - all the teams tested for six days whereas Ferrari tested for 20," Alonso stated ahead of his home Grand Prix.

The championship leader was speaking out on the day that the FIA called on BAR Honda team to be thrown out of this year's championship if they are in fact found to be cheating.

The British team are in the dock after the car in which Button finished third in San Marino weighed in 5 KG under the 600 KG weight minimum. The International Court of Appeal has however not yet announced their verdict which is expected on Thursday afternoon.

Alonso's claims that Ferrari are cheating is actually wide of the mark as the Italian Champions have been perfectly up-front in the fact that they decided not to join the remaining nine teams in limiting testing this year. According to the FIA, this is completely legal as they do not dictate testing regulation.

Alonso goes into this weekend' Spanish Grand Prix seeking his fourth straight win of the 2005 season.

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source f1live.com

yeah 20 test days vs 6 is just bs ferrari are dogs

have to wait and see what happens to BAR

Unless he's been mis-quoted Alonso is clearly an idiot.

Alonso says that BAR cheat because it was proved in San Marino ... well it hasnt been proven yet. That's what yesterdays hearing was for. Alonso is clearly basing his opinion on whats been heard around the paddock (and probably most of what we have heard) not any hard evidence.

Alonso says that Ferrari cheat because they have exceeded/not agreed to the testing limit. This is rubbish because the testing limit is a "gentlemans agreement" between all teams except Ferrari. Ferrari would not agree ... and whilst this is a little unsportmans like it is by no means cheating.

I have just lost a lot of repect for Alonso ...

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FIA request BAR exclusion if guilty
Plus a one million Euro fine


A big day for BAR Honda and
Technical Director Geoff Willis

BAR Honda will find out in the next 24 hours whether or not they are to be excluded from the remainder of the 2005 Formula One Championship.

According to the Reuters news agency, the FIA have requested the International Court of Appeal today in Paris that the team should be excluded from the championship and fined at least one million Euros if found guilty.

Few details are available at present, but it is up to BAR Honda, headed up by QC David Pannick, to prove that they did not intentionally run Jenson Button’s BAR Honda 007 underweight at the San Marino Grand Prix.

Button finished third at San Marino and a verdict is expected Thursday afternoon.

Earl ALEXANDER
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Excluded from the rest of the season is a bit harsh i think, exclude points up to now i reckon for manufacturer and drivers.

and yeah, i agree, Ferrari refusing to limit testing is pretty bad for the sport i think, as its one of the few cost cutting measures that actually cuts costs, but its not cheating.

Alonso is acting abit immature now.
BAR have not been proven guilty yet and you can't call them cheaters to the media JUST YET ;)

As for Ferrari cheating comment, here is a simple and effective way of solving it.

Each tyre Manufacture should be allowed a certain amount of hours to test with any team.
Now if Ferrari are the only main team using Bridgestone then they get to test more, and teams like Williams, BAR, Toyota, McLaren and Renault can share the hours for testing for the Michelin tyre.

Is that fair? I think so.
How do you like LUD02C's testing purposal?

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Originally Posted by LUD02C

Each tyre Manufacture should be allowed a certain amount of hours to test with any team.
Now if Ferrari are the only main team using Bridgestone then they get to test more, and teams like Williams, BAR, Toyota, McLaren and Renault can share the hours for testing for the Michelin tyre.

Is that fair? I think so.
How do you like LUD02C's testing purposal?

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nah, then you'll have arguments between teams that team A has got more testing than Team B, coz obviously the tyre company is going to use their best team for tyre testing. And if you make it an even split, then teams who get tyres from a supplier who supply's only a few teams will have more testing time than those who get their tyres from a supplier supplying lots of teams....if that makes sense :D Problem is that no team tests just tyres, they test everything else too!

If Bridgestone had looked after all the teams they had instead of just Ferrari they wouldn't be in this situation.

Any more news??

Why dont they just put their foot down and tell Ferrari(and every other team for that matter) that you have X days...if you cant get your shit together by then, then you arent what your makin out to be.



Soz...jus cut at the thought of Honda cheating :(

coz the FIA and Ferrari are too busy kissing each other's asses...

man this saga just drags on and on...

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Originally Posted by Hondavirgin

coz the FIA and Ferrari are too busy kissing each other's asses...

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Theres always someone thats on the payroll lol


Mate was tellin me (he gets the FIA newsletter) that weight is car+driver+remaining fuel after race....all the fuss was about the so called 'surge' tank...a loophole in the rules that Honda used to their advantage to atomise fuel or sumthing...im sure someone else must have the newsletter and can confirm and reword what I said lol...

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GMM) Formula One's governing body has asked an appeal court in Paris to 'exclude' BAR from the 2005 championship.

At a nearly three hour hearing on Wednesday, the FIA also called for a million euro penalty after essentially accusing the Brackley based team of cheating.

The case centres on a 'flexible' fuel tank that, the FIA believes, can pressurise fuel and give BAR an 'illegitimate' advantage.

BAR's lawyer, a QC, argued that the penalty would be 'disproportionate,' while technical director Geoff Willis denied any wrongdoing.

The court's ruling is expected Thursday afternoon.

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source f1central.net

Cheers mate