shouldnt the euro be compared against the camry sportivo and not the corrolla sportivo?? the corrolla seems so different as a car is all
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shouldnt the euro be compared against the camry sportivo and not the corrolla sportivo?? the corrolla seems so different as a car is all
Camry Sportivo is a whole different beast as well -- it's bigger and heavier than the Euro. The 2.4 4 cylinder version is only good for about 115 kW and the 3 litre 6 is 145 kW but makes a lot more torque. (Interesting that again Australia gets the crap engine -- I think the US has a VVT 6 cylinder which makes a lot more power, as a 3 litre six should these days)
Comparing the Corolla and the Euro, you're talking more about the engines, with both high revving 4 cylinder good for 141 and 140 kW respectively.
Gear ratios (from comparion at carpoint.com.au) areQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
HONDA ACCORD EURO TOYOTA COROLLA
Ratio 1 3.533:1 3.166:1
Ratio 2 1.880:1 2.050:1
Ratio 3 1.354:1 1.481:1
Ratio 4 1.027:1 1.166:1
Ratio 5 0.825:1 0.916:1
Ratio 6 0.659:1 0.815:1
Reverse 3.583:1 3.250:1
Final drive ratio 4.388:1 4.529:1
Oops, I was commenting on Chris_F's comment that the 80-120 was quicker in the Euro than the Liberty GT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobster
Anyone have 80-120 figures for the Sportivo on hand now?? I can check my old Wheels magazine review once I get home.
Yeah, the Camry is more in the size class of the Honda Accord, with its own 117kW 2.4L and 177kW 3L V6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobster
The only car which is a similar size to the Euro is the Altezza (although is smaller), but that is FR and $$$ more because of branding.
I was about to buy the Sportivo, and then the Euro came out for sale in Aus. So I waited a bit and here I am now fully satisfied with my Euro. But I think the Sportivo should go a bit harder. Probably a driver's race.
Im not a fan for Camry's or Corolla's despite what people say.
Bringin the celica into this quickly, i found it cramped, hard to move in and out of and I would've purchased my DC5R (Integra Type R 2004) ANYDAY over the celica if it wasn't for that stupid sales person who made a few comments to my mother who was like NO NO INTEGRA FOR YOU! So.. the Euro won :)
I do admit that the new sportivo corollas are mighty impressive, very roomy and comfortable inside, well placed instruments for dash - and from memory the manual layout was on the dash similar to the rally setups - not very fond of that.
Like all light cars they dart around pretty fast, i've had a go in an older Mazda 323 SP20 - it was automatic 3 gears (shows it's age) and man i reckon i would've flung myself off the road when going around a corner - i like my cars to have a bit of weight thanks :) and the ability to drive along happily if say the car was loaded with cargo/passengers - i doubt a small sportivo could handle that - most hatches i see struggle going up hill unless they have a bit of speed :p
As for the camry sportivo.. a bit glorified for what it is in my opinion - it's a camry.. and ur a camry driver.. and you thought volvo drivers are worse (at least they're not on the road everyday and everywhere :p)
I've driven a few camry's and each one i've driven (haven't tried the latest model) i've been dissapointed. Very akward blind spots in the mirrors, poor interior, poor handling too. Not a car i'd recommend to anyone personally. For the price, i'd buy a Holden anyday over a Toyota Camry - and that's not bagging out holden either. The commodores for what they are are built quite well. I was considering a Commodore S or even an SV8 while looking around - but settled for the Honda Euro.
If anything the Euro has a lot of potential, like all things Honda - they have extra hidden potential :)
I like 2nd gear in the euro.. i don't ever get to stretch to 3rd gear to redline.. because by the time i get 2nd to red and shift into 3rd.. and look at the speed i'm already hitting 100km+Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
But 3rd does feel steady and powerful enough for my liking. It definately imo feels a lot better and more powerful than 3rd in a Mazda6
Plus the euro just loves to bounce to redline so fast :) i think it needs to be higher :D
Usually where I drive, I can only get to hi-cam in 1st gear. 2 weeks ago, I took the car out to the Old Pac highway, and then back through the Sydney-Newcastle freeway. Joining the freeway, I let the car rip, 2nd to red and 3rd up to the speed limit. :p The sound was lovely!!!!! And to think all this while I was cheating myself with the 1st gear hi-cam induction sound!Quote:
Originally Posted by VirIIx
I'm waiting for Hondata... then I can have nice hi-cam from 5000rpm onwards.
hey come and say hello, theres only about 100km of dirt roads :P (near Tom Price)Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
the time is closer for yfin to experiance WA's best euros :thumbsup:
LOL i know what you mean by loving the sound! Anytime i get a chance to get on the motorway eg M2, i love hearing the engine go from 1st to 2nd red and then shifting into 3rd follow through into the speed limit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I just wish i could listen to 3rd as well go up - won't ever happen unless im on a dyno i reckon hahaha.
But the slightly deeper sound of the icebox i have makes it so much nicer than the stock squeel!
That would have been good - but I am back in Perth now - drove 1250kms today! I wish I had my camera - you guys should see a Euro covered top to bottom in red mud and insects. The roads were flooded in parts up north (some sections around 25cm under water - like a river!) - no hydrolock issue at all with the Icebox. I also drove at 110k/ph in torrential rain for a few hours with lots of large puddles, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERTH_EURO
Ok - back to topic now fellas -
I've had enough insects during my drive from Sydney to Canberra. I parked at a parking lot that was not tarred, and the ants (huge ones about 1cm in length) went all over the front of my car to collect the insect carcasses!Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin