that was a pretty good race.
i wonder if micheal is still pissed at webber! lol
wells i racked up 4points. :):)
bloody button drove so good that he took my 5th point from trulli.
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that was a pretty good race.
i wonder if micheal is still pissed at webber! lol
wells i racked up 4points. :):)
bloody button drove so good that he took my 5th point from trulli.
watchin that incident...
to me it looks like schumacher caused it...
schumacher dived to webber's right webber crossed back to he left with a faster car... and was right next to schumacher in the apex... schumacher just didnt leave enough room...
ah man i just got that lolzQuote:
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good call ahahhaaa
I personally think both are to blame, at pretty much even levels. I went to bed before it finished, missed that incident with the jordan and Montoya, very silly
they're blaming each other lolz
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Webber critical of 'unsporting' Schumacher
The BMW Williams driver in the wars again
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Webber had a forgetable race in Turkey
Michael Schumacher was accused of 'un-sportsmanlike behaviour' by Mark Webber after they clashed during the inaugural Turkish Grand Prix. The pair collided on lap 14 of the 58-lap race when Schumacher battled on track with Webber, who had already suffered an early puncture, and turned in on the Williams driver at the end of the back straight. Both drivers ultimately retired from the race.
"I think he was out of order because in the braking area it doesn't matter if you are a lap down or whatever, and I was catching him," Webber stated. "I was a lot quicker and I wanted to get through and get on with my race. The Ferraris were very, very slow and Michael was incredibly slow and I pulled out of his slipstream side-by-side. He started moving across in the braking area, which all the drivers have agreed not to do that because it is not sporting-like and we have agreed not to do that."
"When he started to do that I wasn't that worried about making contact at the end," the Williams driver admitted. "I didn't show him much respect in the end when we went around the corner and then we collided."
It was an optimistic move from Webber as Schumacher had to turn into the left-hander at some point, but did turn in late. The inevitable collision ripped the front nose cone off Webber's car and damaged the rear end of Schumacher's Ferrari, which forced both to pit for repairs and put the German in the garage for 18 laps as his team worked on the problem.
Schumacher eventually gave up late in the race to post his first retirement in nine Grands Prix while a second tyre problem caused Webber to pull in and retire for the fifth time this year. But Schumacher refused to take the blame for the accident, which went unpunished by the stewards, and although he reserved final judgement until watching a video replay he thought Webber was in the wrong.
"Heading down the straight I saw him coming close and he went to the right," explained Schumacher. "I started to brake and I couldn't see him, I didn't know where he was, and going into the corner I got a bang in the rear. I would suspect he was not really next to me. I don't think it makes sense to do that in that position, being one lap down, because you are never going to make up that lap. But I have to watch the video."
Webber admitted he could understand what had gone through the German's head and said: "Sometimes even when he is in the shit he doesn't like to give or take. But that is probably why he is a good champion!"
Or perhaps it was just a racing incident?
E.A.
Source AFP
EDIT: on a diff note .. it was interesting to see the pace increase (by 2 secs in some cases) durnig the race.. as the tracked quickened up...
Awww... Webber is so unsportsmanlike. It's a racing accident. That was a high-risk overtaking manouver. Good drivers like Kimi, Michael and Alonso don't pull this kind of overtaking moves because it is too risky, and therefore they rarely retire from damage, compared to Webber and the lower teams.
Even during the audio interview after he retired, M Schumacher did not blame Webber for the incident. And now Webber has to make it an official news article at AFP? Gee.....
Yes, Webber was faster. And if he was 2 seconds faster, he could have overtaken Schumacher at a better corner. This is not the first time Webber has pulled this move and crashed into the other car. Remember Sepang GP? Same thing. Webber is too aggressive for his own good. He doesn't weigh the risks associated with overtaking in that particular corner. He's acting like how Sato was 2 years ago, overtaking and crashing into other cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
As I said, the drivers who are at the top of the ranks are there because they don't pull these stunts and therefore rarely retire.
i dunno if he is too aggressive.. perhaps he just doesnt have a feel for clean overtaking?? As comparison did you see how he got stuck behind klien and couldnt find a way past while button who found himself in the same position made little work of overtaking klien. Though also noteworthy that button had a phenominal drive and even put an awesome move on alonso.
Eitherway yes that race was totally awesome! once they flatten the surface it will be even better!
He is very aggresive, many of his retirements have been from trying to perform manouvers. It was a simply racing incident IMO and nothing to really fire up about to badly.
how good was Button, only if he started infront of the grid... he'd be in the top 3 atleast. Not bad starting at the back to finish 5th... great to watch
how would everyone rate that track? I thought it was a killer race with plenty of action! Wish i had the energy to stay up longer:thumbsup:
Yeah! Button was good. Did you hear the sound of his engine after the team director told him Mix5? It was so high pitched that it sounded different from the other cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigteethygrin
Webber is a 1 corner attack person. Button plans his overtaking from a few corners before the actual overtaking point. M Schumacher and Kimi do the same as well. That's why they have a higher overtaking success rate (without crashing into the other car).