u left itr's out :( why?
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u left itr's out :( why?
btw do any other honda owners find themselves defending honda's till death against criticism from mates? lol i just find it funny how even though i know that type r's won't outrun an s15 on a straight, or sound better than a rexy with an exhaust or have the torque of a 5.7L clubbie, i still claim its better lol!
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Originally Posted by FR33K
What, theres heaps of vtirs doing high 14sec.
I never said that my vtir is quicker then a type R. I know its not.
I'd think that GENERALLY type R's do low to mid 14s, vtirs do high 14s low 15s and GSI's do high 15s.
Stock.
you just said that you ran 14.9 in your stock vtir
but your timeslip database says headers exhaust !!
on a private track ?? did u use a stopwatch ??
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Originally Posted by FR33K
I didn't say i did it stock. No not a stopwatch. My uncle has a proper drag strip setup on his property. With sensor timers (dont know exactly how acurate it is, he swears by it). He lives about 5hrs drive away though. I did that run last time i was there. Should be going back there at the end of oct. will do another run then.
in mod world ,it is always that you get what you pay for, i don't think people pay over 2000 bucks to get a second hand type R tranny with LSD just for a strongger gear, some people say there is no that much difference between the stock gsi tranny and type r tranny with LSD on a gsi. So just want to ask if you guys have tried in real case or just think that should be like that. i experienced that. i have to say LSD makes huge difference and the car definitely goes fast and rev quicker and higher (with the aftermarket cam will be perfect) shift is shorter, maybe i should try to borrow the car from my friend to do a 1/4 mile, however his car is not stock with tranny anymore,damn.
I did use to beat a vti-r (only one person in the car and a young driver)on a flat road even you guy thinks maybe driver is too fat or crappy or doesn't want race........... i can tell you he wanted to race, after light changed to green ,we both stared pretty quickly cos i know he was riding the cluthch so was i. Ok just assume i can't beat it on a flat road, how about down slope then, same quality driver one is stock vti-r and the other stock gsi with TYPE R tranny with LSD ,which one do you think is quicker.
I really did not mean to offense vti-r ,it is a good honda car for sure, i would get one too if my girlfriend didn't write off our previous car without comprehensive insurance,was her fault. she has shadow in her heart now, she can't drive without a insurance, so we have to get a comprehensive insurance. MY insurance is 3300 dollars for GSI, vtec one i have to pay over 4000 dollars, Just rediculous expensive in sydney, don't really want to pay that much : )
I'm here to discuss the my case, not arguing, i didn't say vti-r is not a good car, how ever somebody said DC4 is teg gay, really disapointed with that person, if 30 or 60 hp different makes you think our car is a gay, how about compare my previous GTR33 with your car, 200hp difference what you expect me to think your car is .
We are here to learn more knowledge, not attack each other, we should respect each other. if i did make some vti-r drivers think that i'm offensing them, i say sorry again .
i think ppl are forgetting here about the torque output of these engines,
and torque is what makes your car move.
B18B2 1834cc DOHC 172Nm@5200 101kw@6300
B18C1 1834cc 81x87.2 DOHC VTEC 173Nm@6200 127kw@7300
the vtir needs the higher ratios to stay in its power band, and i personaly think the gsi doesnt as it makes it power down low,
25kw is alot of difference but what power is the vtir making at 6300?
and how much torque is it making at 5200?
how would a b18b perform if you matched its low 9.2 comp ratio to equal the b18c.
lets not forget itr too
B18C7 1797cc 11.1 81x87.2 DOHC VTEC 178Nm@6300 141kw@7900
vtir isnt 1834 ?? its 1797 cc as well
Torque doesn't make your car move.
A faster car will be faster because it produces more power over the same ammount of time. A type-r tranny on a GSI will give you a little bit more area under the curve per gear, which will make you faster.
LSD will not make you any faster in a straight unless you have seriously crappy tyres or a rediculous ammount of power.
so what you are saying is that torque is useless??
well lets compare a s15 aus spec to s2000?
147kw to 176kw and 279nm to 208nm.
tell me which car spanks the other in a straight line?
torque is what makes a car move!!!
specialy up a hill.